p.1 #2 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
There are a few reviews praising the Z 70-200 and comparing to the f mount 70-200 E. Nasim Mansurov
at Photography Life did a review of the F4 70-200, and they reviewed the Z 70-200. You could compare their MTF data and maybe get an idea of what you're looking for.
p.1 #3 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
rick-reno wrote:
There are a few reviews praising the Z 70-200 and comparing to the f mount 70-200 E. Nasim Mansurov
at Photography Life did a review of the F4 70-200, and they reviewed the Z 70-200. You could compare their MTF data and maybe get an idea of what you're looking for.
I guess the OP is more interested in out-of-focus rendition than in lp/mm: falconbach wrote:
I can't find any comparison between those two lenses, specially bokeh wide open. I will mostly use it for pet and action photography.
Anyway, I think it's easily predictable that the Z 70-200/2.8 S is a superior lens; the f/2.8 aperture should guarantee better bokeh w/open and a more responsive AF. I own the AF-S 70-200/4G, and it's a very good lens; however, for action photography a f/2.8 lens would be preferable.
p.1 #4 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
If you’re going to keep the D800, keep the f/4 lens. The Z8 will be awesome with the 70-200mm f/2.8 S. I was blown away when I went from the 70-200mm f/2.8E VR to the S version. I sometimes search Flickr for the various lens groups and look at their photography to get an idea of how a specific lens performs.
p.1 #5 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
I shoot the same things, and I found that the Z 70-200's bokeh could get swirly and distracting at times. I ended up selling it and going back to my VRII, and I've not missed it for dog photos. I like the VRII's overall rendering characteristics a bit better, and I do still use Z and F so having flexibility there is valuable.
p.1 #6 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
This entire series of photos was taken with the 70-200 w/ 1.4x TC (I needed the reach), and I believe nearly every one was taken wide open (I see a few at f/5 which was probably just me bumping the control dial): https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1830092/0#16376061
The lens is even better without the TC and shot at f/2.8. Sorry for the bad JPG compression on these samples. I suggest clicking to view them scaled to your browser to get an overall sense of the bokeh and in/out of focus transitions.
p.1 #7 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
These images are taken from Lenstip.com
Is there such huge difference between these lenses? Nikon 70-200 f/4 only reaches about 45 but Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 s reaches to over 80 lpmm.
Or are these graphs not comparable?
p.1 #8 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
falconbach wrote:
These images are taken from Lenstip.com
Is there such huge difference between these lenses? Nikon 70-200 f/4 only reaches about 45 but Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 s reaches to over 80 lpmm.
Or are these graphs not comparable?
I don't think those graphs can be compared. The 70-200 f/4 measurements were done on a D3X which has a 24MP sensor. The 70-200 f/2.8S measurements were done with the Z7 which has a 45MP sensor. This will result in higher resolution numbers for the Z7. You need measurements ideally on the same sensor to do a direct comparison.
p.1 #9 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
They aren't comparable, being different the sensor (D3X vs Z7). For sure, the higher-res Z7 sensor is able to provide higher lpmm figures.
Anyway, the Z 70-200/2.8 S is slightly better than the AF-S ED 70-200/2.8 FL, which is better than the AF-S ED 70-200/4G VR; I own the 70-200/4 and like it.
What we should compare is the AF-S 70-200/4G to the (Tamrikon) Z 70-180/2.8.
Some people say Nikon will never make a Z 70-200/4 S because the Z 70-180 does represent the lighter/smaller alternative to the larger/heavier Z 70-200/2.8 S, which is 1 stop faster than a possible Z 70-200/4 S.
However, I would much prefer a Z 70-200/4 S with same optical quality as the f/2.8 S, a much better lens than the Tamrikon.
p.1 #10 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
My "small" lens is the 70-300 4.5-5.6 AF-P which is excellent, actually better in the corners close up at focal lengths longer than 150mm than the 70-200 f2.8 S, though the coatings aren't as good as on the S lens and accordingly images don't "pop" as much in the center. Unfortunately I can't speak for the f4 F-mount 70-200, as I decided the AF-P made more sense for me overall.
p.1 #11 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
Ripolini wrote:
However, I would much prefer a Z 70-200/4 S with same optical quality as the f/2.8 S, a much better lens than the Tamrikon.
Indeed, this. There is no reason a modern 70-200/4 Z Nikkor cannot be excellent optically.
180mm is also shorter than 200mm. Maybe that loss of detail does not matter to some people, but it is like taking a 45MP sensor down to the pixels of a ~36MP sensor.
p.1 #12 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
falconbach wrote:
I can't find any comparison between those two lenses, specially bokeh wide open. I will mostly use it for pet and action photography.
I have 70-200 f/4 and currently own D800 and Z8
The f/2.8 versions of the 70-200mm focus faster on DSLRs than the f/4. I think for action photography the f/2.8 are clearly better than the f/4. The FL E and Z S versions are the best optically, both are very sharp and high quality, but I find the Z S version slightly better in terms of bokeh not based on side-by-side shooting but just from my experience of using both versions in a lot of practical applications.
Of course only the F-mount versions can be used with the D800. The Z8 will work with all of them but again the f/2.8 will focus faster than the f/4 and in low light in particular the f/2.8 Z S will focus better on the Z8 with less jitter and (acoustic) noise than the f/4.
I would therefore choose from the FL E 70-200/2.8 and Z 70-200/2.8 S for this application, depending on whether you want to or need to keep using the D800 as well as the Z8.
One thing that I find annoying on the Z S version is that the focus ring is very easily nudged where the lens will go into manual focus unless the focus ring has been turned off or swapped with the control ring. I feel this was never an issue with any of the F-mount 70-200's. But it's a minor issue and the optical qualities of the Z S, and the silent autofocusing and quieter VR operation are significant positives.
I would say you cannot go wrong with either the FL E or the Z S version.
p.1 #13 · Nikon Z 70-200 f/2.8 s vs Nikon 70-200 f/4
I own both 70-200/4G and 70-200/2.8E. Except at 200mm I consider the G to be sharper. It is also lighter, cheaper, and the stabilization mechanism more resistant to shocks. The E has the advantage of 1-stop light gathering, low linear distortion, and excellent color correction: basically one full stop with no optical penalty. I like them both.
