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I agree Sony is in the lead with sensors. Canon is still a viable competitor even with a sensor deficiency. The R5 and R6 are capable cameras. I also understand that Sony will sell sensors to camera competitors. There is some independence between the camera division and the sensor division.

I can see a market for a decent affordable sports camera for parents. I have FF glass and I like high resolution, so I’m more towards an a1. But as Sony transitions to all linear motors in the lenses, the glass has the focus speed for sports.


I'm not saying the R5 II and the R6 II’s sensors aren't any good. They are, but Sony is just simply better. Sony has had the lead for more than a decade. I can't remember when Canon had a sensor that was considered to be state-of-the-art and better than its competitors. Whether it’s BSI, PDAF, and now stacked sensors, these are all Sony innovations that changed the direction of the industry.



Aug 25, 2024 at 06:31 PM
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p.3 #2 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


A pertinent article on APSC and its demise
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2024/08/22/we-are-in-a-full-frame-revolution-who-needs-aps-c/
Happy reading



Aug 26, 2024 at 03:52 PM
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p.3 #3 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


When I want a high-end APS-C I use my A1 in crop mode....


Aug 26, 2024 at 04:00 PM
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p.3 #4 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


I honestly don’t want Sony using its resources to develop a high-end APS-C camera.



Aug 26, 2024 at 04:04 PM
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p.3 #5 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


Surfnsun wrote:
I honestly don’t want Sony using its resources to develop a high-end APS-C camera.


Yeah, it's a real bitch when companies don't focus their efforts solely on what we find personally satisfying.



Aug 26, 2024 at 08:49 PM
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p.3 #6 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


I think Sony is taking APSC seriously, since the three consistently top sellers for them have been APSC for a while now (ZV-E10/II, FX30, and the 6700) but two of those are entry-level in their lines and the other represents a low cost alternative to their compact FF cameras with comparable capabilities. And I think that's a clear indication of Sony's priorities with the format.

So I don't see them launching a mini-a1 or a9III anytime soon, but I do think some of the tech will get pushed down. I'm fairly confident the FX30 replacement will get the stacked 26MP sensor, which is good. It needs it the most. And I can see that sensor eventually making it into an a6700 replacement, though it may not be the next model, because stacked sensors are what appear to be next for digital in general over the coming decade. But if you're hoping for a 40FPS X-H2s competitor, Sony doesn't appear to be interested in playing in that market right now.



Aug 26, 2024 at 09:26 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
I think Sony is taking APSC seriously, since the three consistently top sellers for them have been APSC for a while now (ZV-E10/II, FX30, and the 6700) but two of those are entry-level in their lines and the other represents a low cost alternative to their compact FF cameras with comparable capabilities. And I think that's a clear indication of Sony's priorities with the format.

So I don't see them launching a mini-a1 or a9III anytime soon, but I do think some of the tech will get pushed down. I'm fairly confident the FX30 replacement will get the stacked 26MP sensor,
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Given the R&D went into the 26 MP stacked sensor, I think it’s highly likely it'll be on a future FX camera. I don't know what the minimum MP is needed for 8K UHD, maybe somewhere between 30-33 MP on a 3:2 sensor, but that would be awesome if the next entry level stacked sensor has that spec.



Aug 26, 2024 at 10:33 PM
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p.3 #8 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


lsquare wrote:
I'm not saying the R5 II and the R6 II’s sensors aren't any good. They are, but Sony is just simply better. Sony has had the lead for more than a decade. I can't remember when Canon had a sensor that was considered to be state-of-the-art and better than its competitors. Whether it’s BSI, PDAF, and now stacked sensors, these are all Sony innovations that changed the direction of the industry.


Guess what? Cameras with the best sensors don't take the best photos, photographers do.

Sony does not care about making a new APS-C camera, just like most photographers don't care.



Aug 26, 2024 at 10:56 PM
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p.3 #9 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


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Given the R&D went into the 26 MP stacked sensor, I think it’s highly likely it'll be on a future FX camera. I don't know what the minimum MP is needed for 8K UHD, maybe somewhere between 30-33 MP on a 3:2 sensor, but that would be awesome if the next entry level stacked sensor has that spec.


It's a little over 33MP for 8K, so Sony would need close to 40 to account for their crop.



Aug 27, 2024 at 09:09 PM
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p.3 #10 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


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I get that the profit is probably in full frame and not in APS-C. Sony's 1-inch and FF sensors have gotten the stacked sensor technology. APS-C never got it. Don't get me wrong, the a6700 is a very good camera, but it doesn't have all of Sony's state-of-the-art technology. My idea of a Sony APS-C flagship, call it the a6900 or whatever, will be to use an APS-C version of the a1's sensor. It should be able to record 8K/30p videos and 32-bit audio and make it as small and light as possible. Maybe Sony concluded that there isn't enough
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Sony has an APS-C flaship camera. It is called the a6500 :-) . Best of the crowd at a fair price. Want something more recent? a7cII



Aug 28, 2024 at 03:50 AM
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p.3 #11 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


This forum has its share of the "You can't like what I don't like crowd." I'm in the "I can't afford what you think I want!" crowd.


Aug 28, 2024 at 02:15 PM
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p.3 #12 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


You got issues bud. People can have opinions other than yours. Get over it.

freaklikeme wrote:
Yeah, it's a real bitch when companies don't focus their efforts solely on what we find personally satisfying.




Aug 28, 2024 at 07:41 PM
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p.3 #13 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


Surfnsun wrote:
You got issues bud. People can have opinions other than yours. Get over it.



Get over sympathizing with you? Okay. I'm over it.



Aug 28, 2024 at 09:38 PM
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p.3 #14 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?


Sony executives have said repeatedly in the past that aps-c prioritizes size - mostly that seems to be their way of saying if you want A1 capability, buy the A1. Because to get A1 levels of performance, it would require a larger body, and that just isn’t going to happen. Fuji can’t figure out a functional AF system so there isn’t really any pressure to do more.

I really like the a6700, the only way it could be better for me would be a stacked sensor. But that would probably push the price to $2000, which would make it a hard pass. It’s an absolute bargain used on B&S here.

Cheers

Chris



Aug 30, 2024 at 05:31 PM
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