p.1 #1 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
I get that the profit is probably in full frame and not in APS-C. Sony's 1-inch and FF sensors have gotten the stacked sensor technology. APS-C never got it. Don't get me wrong, the a6700 is a very good camera, but it doesn't have all of Sony's state-of-the-art technology. My idea of a Sony APS-C flagship, call it the a6900 or whatever, will be to use an APS-C version of the a1's sensor. It should be able to record 8K/30p videos and 32-bit audio and make it as small and light as possible. Maybe Sony concluded that there isn't enough demand for such a camera?
p.1 #3 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
lsquare wrote:
I get that the profit is probably in full frame and not in APS-C. Sony's 1-inch and FF sensors have gotten the stacked sensor technology. APS-C never got it. Don't get me wrong, the a6700 is a very good camera, but it doesn't have all of Sony's state-of-the-art technology. My idea of a Sony APS-C flagship, call it the a6900 or whatever, will be to use an APS-C version of the a1's sensor. It should be able to record 8K/30p videos and 32-bit audio and make it as small and light as possible. Maybe Sony concluded that there isn't enough demand for such a camera?...Show more →
I am always drawn to looking at Sony's aps-c gear. I got to Sony in the first place through the NEX-7 and then the a6000, which I made some favorite photos with. I loved the form factor. And Sony has updated the a6700 with its best AF algorithms and strong IBIS, and now they have added some G quality lenses -- the 16-55 and the 70-350 -- to the aps-c line. So they are keeping it going at a pretty high level. But they are no match for what Fuji or even Leica offer in aps-c.
I guess the question for me in terms of buying an a6xxx is whether it offers enough advantages in compariosn to the small A7Cxx bodies that are now accompanied by a strong selection of small lenses. It seems possible to build a photographically excellent Sony kit that is small and light without going to aps-c.
What do you think are the principal advantages that make a Sony aps-c a strong photographic proposition?
p.1 #4 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
BillinTexas wrote:
The full frame cameras can be put into APS-C mode so that may be the reason.
Never really thought of it like that. I'm assuming Sony's APS-C lenses can be used with the FE cameras? If so, and when used in APS-C mode, I'm assuming vignette and corner sharpness isn't an issue? An E 10-20mm lens in APS-C mode will have the same focal length as if it's used in an APS-C body? The field of view and DoF in the FF body with APS-C mode will be similar to an APS-C body? Will ISO performance with the a1 in APS-C mode be better than the a6700? What other differences do I need to know?
p.1 #5 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
chiron wrote:
I am always drawn to looking at Sony's aps-c gear. I got to Sony in the first place through the NEX-7 and then the a6000, which I made some favorite photos with. I loved the form factor. And Sony has updated the a6700 with its best AF algorithms and strong IBIS, and now they have added some G quality lenses -- the 16-55 and the 70-350 -- to the aps-c line. So they are keeping it going at a pretty high level. But they are no match for what Fuji or even Leica offer in aps-c.
I guess the question for me in terms of buying an a6xxx is whether it offers enough advantages in compariosn to the small A7Cxx bodies that are now accompanied by a strong selection of small lenses. It seems possible to build a photographically excellent Sony kit that is small and light without going to aps-c.
What do you think are the principal advantages that make a Sony aps-c a strong photographic proposition?...Show more →
Small high-performance bodies. Sony's APS-C lenses all seek lighter than Fujifilm's equivalent. I do agree with you that Fujifilm has a stronger APS-C lineup, but their AF is nowhere close to matching Sony. I feel like that is Fujifilm's biggest weakness. Given that Fujifilm is too small to make its own sensors and likely source it from Sony, I find it odd that Sony doesn't use something like that in its a6700. I have to admit, I'm disappointed Sony went with a 26MP sensor from its FX camera.
p.1 #6 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
Sony’s apsc system is their low cost high volume system. I don’t see them enhancing that system with a higher priced camera to compete with their full frame market.
p.1 #7 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
I don’t think it would sell well, and it would probably end up being $2499 or so.
Case in point, the Fujifilm X-H2s is basically a flagship APS-C body, and it’s a $2499 MSRP. For that price, I feel like most people already in the Sony ecosystem would rather go for a full frame model, and for those seeking a compact solution, there are already bodies such as the A7C II and A7C R, which both perform great. TBH, I think Sony is doing it right by keeping the APS-C models less feature rich but also less expensive.
p.1 #8 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
Sure. A fast sports/nature aps-c was a big part of a couple of dslr lines. I think comparisons need to be appropriate.
"With this new fifth-generation 26MP X-Trans CMOS BSI stacked sensor, the X-H2S is capable of 40fps electronic-shutter continuous black-out free burst shooting, with improved autofocus to boot. On the video side, the X-H2S is capable of 6.2K open-gate (or full 3:2 sensor read-out), up to 4K 120fps or 4K 60fps with no crop and class-leading rolling shutter control." from a review of the Fuji
Neither the A7CR nor an A7Rv do that cropped. The A9iii is $6000, the A9ii $4500. and the A6700 and it's mechanical shutter and video features already does at least some things the A7Cs may not do or as well. The A7CR and A7Rv might be a different comparison when looking to the 61mp resolution side of things. Camera sizes work differently for different users, too. I think a $2500 Sony X-H2S, small or "big" body would sell very well . Maybe both sizes.
p.1 #10 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
I think an aps-c version of the a1 ii would make sense. If the sensor division is willing to sell the sensor to other brands Sony might as well put out a stacked aps-c. 21mp sounds a bit low to me, but I don’t think you would want a higher pixel density than the a1 ii or it could draw away some bird photographers.
p.1 #11 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
Nikon1960 wrote:
I don’t think it would sell well, and it would probably end up being $2499 or so.
Case in point, the Fujifilm X-H2s is basically a flagship APS-C body, and it’s a $2499 MSRP. For that price, I feel like most people already in the Sony ecosystem would rather go for a full frame model, and for those seeking a compact solution, there are already bodies such as the A7C II and A7C R, which both perform great. TBH, I think Sony is doing it right by keeping the APS-C models less feature rich but also less expensive.
I'm not even against Sony releasing a camera with the X-H2s sensor. Combine that with Sony’s class-leading AF and I think it'll sell.
p.1 #12 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
tschopp wrote:
I think an aps-c version of the a1 ii would make sense. If the sensor division is willing to sell the sensor to other brands Sony might as well put out a stacked aps-c. 21mp sounds a bit low to me, but I don’t think you would want a higher pixel density than the a1 ii or it could draw away some bird photographers.
p.1 #14 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
lsquare wrote:
An APS-C version of the A1 sensor is about 21 MP?
Yep, it would be 21mp. Maybe they could get it up to 24mp. I think that would be a boost to 54mp on FF. Depends on if they would use the same sensor for the next generation. With a9iii being GS I think that makes room for a 24mp stacked aps-c.
p.1 #17 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
tschopp wrote:
Yep, it would be 21mp. Maybe they could get it up to 24mp. I think that would be a boost to 54mp on FF. Depends on if they would use the same sensor for the next generation. With a9iii being GS I think that makes room for a 24mp stacked aps-c.
If I use an APS-C lens on a Sony FF body, I'm assuming vignette and corner sharpness of the APS-C lenses are mitigated by the larger sensor? Focal length in APS-C mode on an FF body is the same as if the lens was on an APS-C body?
p.1 #18 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
Both FF and APSC use the same mount
If one needs a smaller body one buys the compact FF and use APSC lenses
If one doesn't need all the MPix then one uses crop mode
I'm not sure we even need APSC line
Sony is better off getting rid of APSC altogether and save the resources for FF
Make cheaper /smaller/more affordable FF for the APSC crowd
While continuing to improve upon the FF family
Voila
p.1 #20 · Do you feel Sony should have a better flagship APS-C camera?
deevee wrote:
Both FF and APSC use the same mount
If one needs a smaller body one buys the compact FF and use APSC lenses
If one doesn't need all the MPix then one uses crop mode
I'm not sure we even need APSC line
Sony is better off getting rid of APSC altogether and save the resources for FF
Make cheaper /smaller/more affordable FF for the APSC crowd
While continuing to improve upon the FF family
Voila
If I use an APS-C lens on a Sony FF body, I'm assuming vignette and corner sharpness of the APS-C lenses are mitigated by the larger sensor? Focal length in APS-C mode on an FF body is the same as if the lens was on an APS-C body?
