p.1 #1 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
I haven't used Topaz or DXO's software before. I've been mainly using Adobe Lightroom and that is the software I'm most familiar with. With the advancement of AI, I'm looking to add either Topaz or DXO to my workflow depending on which software is the easiest to use to quickly achieve my results.
I don't always have the time nor the expertise to edit my photos using all of Lightroom's tools. Typically, I would import my photos into Lightroom, use the auto button in the develop module to see if I like the result, auto-correct distortions, and then export the file as a JPG for upload to social media.
Does Topaz and DXO allow me to automatically denoise and enhance the photos with one click or as easily as possible? Which software gives the best result automatically with little to no effort? If possible, I would also like to upscale all photos to 4320 pixels on the longest side for viewing on an 8K TV. At what step does this software integrate into my Lightroom workflow?
p.1 #2 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
Lightroom now has advanced de-noise and can enlarge and you like the results you get with LR auto so why add something else? I don’t really see what you gain with another tool.
p.1 #3 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
jwpstl wrote:
Lightroom now has advanced de-noise and can enlarge and you like the results you get with LR auto so why add something else? I don’t really see what you gain with another tool.
Apparently, Photo AI has a good upscaling tool. It can also enhance my photos easily? I have no experience with Topaz so that's why I'm creating this thread and get feedback.
p.1 #4 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
lsquare wrote:
Apparently, Photo AI has a good upscaling tool. It can also enhance my photos easily? I have no experience with Topaz so that's why I'm creating this thread and get feedback.
If all you are doing is posting to social media, why do you need any upscaling? I would just stick with LR…it does a descent job.
p.1 #6 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
LR has good denoise and upscaling options. PS (which comes with LR) upscales well too. Why on earth buy into a totally different set of redundant tools because you're "lazy"? These are one click options in LR.
I barely touch my Topaz anymore now that LR is so good.
p.1 #7 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
I'm a bit puzzled why you need to upscale. 4320 on the long side for an 8k TV is only about 10MP or so. What are you starting with (pixel count wise)?
If you only need a slight tweak to pixel size to get exactly 4320 then just enter this value in the Lightroom export cell. And use Lightroom's AI Denoise (one extra click). all my jpgs get resized to 3600 wide using this method. I will occasionally use Topaz AI to upscale but only if I need a really large file for printing big (eg ~11000 pixels wide)
As you already have LR just check this method out and see if it gives you the file quality you need.
p.1 #8 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
RoamingScott wrote:
LR has good denoise and upscaling options. PS (which comes with LR) upscales well too. Why on earth buy into a totally different set of redundant tools because you're "lazy"? These are one click options in LR.
I barely touch my Topaz anymore now that LR is so good.
I know LR's AI-denoise got some good reviews, but I had no idea its upscaling is also very good. I thought Topaz had the advantage even though I'm not upscaling too much.
Given the volume of images I'm generating, one-click solutions are very desirable. If it looks good enough and sharp, then I'm happy. I can't wait until the day when one click will fix the white balance, exposure, distortion, denoise, sharpness, and even upscale.
p.1 #9 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
mcbroomf wrote:
I'm a bit puzzled why you need to upscale. 4320 on the long side for an 8k TV is only about 10MP or so. What are you starting with (pixel count wise)?
If you only need a slight tweak to pixel size to get exactly 4320 then just enter this value in the Lightroom export cell. And use Lightroom's AI Denoise (one extra click). all my jpgs get resized to 3600 wide using this method. I will occasionally use Topaz AI to upscale but only if I need a really large file for printing big (eg ~11000 pixels wide)
As you already have LR just check this method out and see if it gives you the file quality you need....Show more →
I want to upscale because I want the lower-resolution images to look decent on an 8K TV. I'm starting with images as low as 2592x1944 or 3648x3648. So, in the output panel, I just put in 4320 for the long side, and if the source image is lower resolution, LR will automatically upscale it? Has Adobe enhanced its upscaling algorithms recently, such as adding AI?
p.1 #10 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
Adobe's Super Resolution uses AI but was the 1st of the Enhance features and may need an upgrade. You can easily download an eval version of Topaz to compare.
However Adobe don't currently allow you to run both Denoise and Super Resolution on the same file. There is an inelegant workaround involving going into PS but I'd use Topaz instead (for resizing).
If you have a series of low rez images (as well as high) then I'd suggest that you just download eval versions of Topaz (AI and Gigapixel) and DXO and run them, together with LR to compare them. What works on some files may not work well on others/all. You may need a couple of different options. Don't forget to include testing of sharpening for low vs high rez starting images.
p.1 #11 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
mcbroomf wrote:
Adobe's Super Resolution uses AI but was the 1st of the Enhance features and may need an upgrade. You can easily download an eval version of Topaz to compare.
However Adobe don't currently allow you to run both Denoise and Super Resolution on the same file. There is an inelegant workaround involving going into PS but I'd use Topaz instead (for resizing).
If you have a series of low rez images (as well as high) then I'd suggest that you just download eval versions of Topaz (AI and Gigapixel) and DXO and run them, together with LR to compare them. What works on some files may not work well on others/all. You may need a couple of different options. Don't forget to include testing of sharpening for low vs high rez starting images....Show more →
I also have PS thanks to my subscription to Adobe. How do I do this with PS and LR to upscale and denoise the file?
How do I integrate Topaz or DXO into my workflow? Do I do everything in LR, then export the file, and import it into Topaz to finish the job? It seems like Topaz may be the better option since Adobe's denoise is pretty good. I've read that DXO is excellent, but I don't know much about its image-enhancing options.
p.1 #12 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
To combine both Denoise and Super Rez in LR;
Process your raw file in LR with Denoise 1st to create a DNG
Open the DNG file in PS
Save as a tif
Import the tif into LR (or it should automatically import)
Apply Photo > Enhance : Super Resolution to create a new DNG
Can't help with DXO but with Topaz it installs plugins to LR as well as a stand alone program. After your edits in LR you select Edit In: and the Topaz options are available. It asks if you want to open a copy with LR edits includes (yes) then after your Topaz edits you can export back into LR.
p.1 #13 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
mcbroomf wrote:
To combine both Denoise and Super Rez in LR;
Process your raw file in PR with Denoise 1st to create a DNG
Open the DNG file in PS
Save as a tif
Import the tif into LR (or it should automatically import)
Apply Photo > Enhance : Super Resolution to create a new DNG
Can't help with DXO but with Topaz it installs plugins to LR as well as a stand alone program. After your edits in LR you select Edit In: and the Topaz options are available. It asks if you want to open a copy with LR edits includes (yes) then after your Topaz edits you can export back into LR....Show more →
When going from DNG to TIFF, and finally exporting as a JPG, won't I be losing quality along the way? It would have been nice to go straight from DNG to JPG.
p.1 #14 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
I use PS after LR for any file I need to add layers that Lr can't handle, so I do use the Raw > DNG (after Denoise) > Tiff > jpg route and I don't see any image quality loss. TIF is lossless (I don't use any compression in my Save option). Don't recall if DNG from AI is lossless but I don't see any image loss. jpg of course uses some compression. Choose a value to ensure you get none in your images and for your hardware (I don't have a TV let alone an 8k one).
I don't start from 2592 wide images though and rarely use Gigapixel so you will have to test yourself. Your TV will have some sharpening going on I think so you may have to start with files that look good for that then see how they hold up on phones, tablets and computer monitors.
p.1 #15 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
Photolab is a full-featured alternative to LR and not really what you need. I wouldn’t use it expecting auto options or just for its excellent de-noise. And it doesn’t have an advanced upscaling. Photo AI, on the other hand, works well as a supplement to LR or Photolab for its one stop de-noise, sharpening, upscaling etc. I still say LR is your best option because, while it may not be the best at any of those things, it does them well and all in one tool. And has the auto option you like. And I say that as a Photolab and Photo AI user.
lsquare wrote:
I also have PS thanks to my subscription to Adobe. How do I do this with PS and LR to upscale and denoise the file?
How do I integrate Topaz or DXO into my workflow? Do I do everything in LR, then export the file, and import it into Topaz to finish the job? It seems like Topaz may be the better option since Adobe's denoise is pretty good. I've read that DXO is excellent, but I don't know much about its image-enhancing options.
p.1 #16 · Adobe Lightroom and Topaz Photo AI / DXO PhotoLab Workflow?
jwpstl wrote:
Photolab is a full-featured alternative to LR and not really what you need. I wouldn’t use it expecting auto options or just for its excellent de-noise. And it doesn’t have an advanced upscaling. Photo AI, on the other hand, works well as a supplement to LR or Photolab for its one stop de-noise, sharpening, upscaling etc. I still say LR is your best option because, while it may not be the best at any of those things, it does them well and all in one tool. And has the auto option you like. And I say that as a Photolab and Photo AI user.
Don’t get me wrong, if LR can do all of this and produce decent results, then I rather save my money. However if DXO and Topaz ever develop a one-click easy to use solution, then of course I'll have to consider it. When dealing with volume, ease of use is critical!
It doesn't seem like there is a lot of love for DxO PureRAW 4. I'm assuming it’s not necessary and that LR is still more than good enough?
