p.2 #1 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
Sony has said over and over and over that the ethos of the "Alpha" line is small and portable. There's no room in the "Alpha" line for a Z9 sized body, no matter how many people have been asking for one all these years. Sony's MO is not listening to customers, it's maximizing profits on new models while holding as much back as they can for the NEXT version, similar to old Canon.
p.2 #2 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
Douglas L wrote:
Maybe Sony can do what Nikon does, Z9 for folks who prefer big/heavy "pro" bodies, Z8 for folks who prefer smaller/lighter bodies with 95% of the features of the big brother.
Highly unlikely and unnecessary. They have a grip if you want that big camera feel. No need to make a new body and it makes zero economic sense for them.
I really like that when I want to use my Sony bodies as lightweight cameras I can do so by taking the grip off, but when I want the extra battery life and weight/feel to balance a long prime, I can put the grip on. Much more versatile.
p.2 #3 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
swldstn wrote:
Keep these ideas coming but let’s focus on what we want in terms of camera features and capabilities.
We don’t need to talk about marketing or business.
When it comes to a A6900 I see some want a stacked sensor APS-C and others want a higher resolution sensor which of course Fuji has both in their product line so they are bots understandable.
Others are asking for a larger full size body but that seems to be contrary to Sony’s approach/ heritage.
I’m enjoying seeing what others are coming up with as well. Let’s keep going. Thank you.
You guys realize cameras take a few years to develop, right? At the minimum, current feedback would impact the generation after the upcoming one.
Jul 24, 2024 at 10:19 AM
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p.2 #4 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
jhapeman wrote:
Highly unlikely and unnecessary. They have a grip if you want that big camera feel. No need to make a new body and it makes zero economic sense for them.
I really like that when I want to use my Sony bodies as lightweight cameras I can do so by taking the grip off, but when I want the extra battery life and weight/feel to balance a long prime, I can put the grip on. Much more versatile.
Z9/R3 type body may have better weather sealing than adding a grip
p.2 #5 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
swldstn wrote:
I’d like to discuss briefly about the A6900 rumored to be a 40+ Mpixel APS-C camera. Do others think Sony will chase Fuji into this space? It intrigues me even though the A7CR also appears to covers this territory. The APS-C could offer a lower price point though. Of course adding or updating E- mount APS-C lenses to handle this resolution is needed too. Do you think we will see such a camera? If they were to create it would anyone be interested? I believe the Viktrox f/1.2 Pro lenses like the 27mm and 75mm would be great for this type of camera....Show more →
I have the A6700, my Best Buy body in the Sony lineup at only $1,400, and the A7CR. And a OM-1, a 20MP stacked sensor camera that can shoot a 50FPS with C-AF and no blackout, it has all the neat computational features that almost all Sony's lack, like Pro Capture, Live Composite and built in ND filters. It's my wildlife/action camera of choice.
An A6900 with a 40+ MP sensor is going to cost more than the A7CII and close to what the A7CR sells for, my guess is $2,600+/-. If it is a stacked sensor, it will be even more than the A7CR. If you think Sony is going to give you a 40+ MP stacked sensor, a mechanical shutter and 15FPS or faster for what the A7CR sells for, I disagree, the camera for will be at least $4,000. If not they will be hurting their A9III sales.
p.2 #6 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
Here are a few items for my Sony A1II wish list:
a) Same body at the A9III
b) Improved AI AF
c) Pre-Capture
d) At-least quadruple the size of the buffer (this is the biggest issue with the A9III)
e) 60 FPS ES
f) Keep mechanical shutter and 50 MP stacked sensor (IMO global sensor tech has too many trade-offs at this point)
g) Illuminated buttons
h) Wi-Fi 6
p.2 #7 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
ColoradoNative wrote:
Here are a few items for my Sony A1II wish list:
a) Same body at the A9III
b) Improved AI AF
c) Pre-Capture
d) At-least quadruple the size of the buffer (this is the biggest issue with the A9III)
e) 60 FPS ES
f) Keep mechanical shutter and 50 MP stacked sensor (IMO global sensor tech has too many trade-offs at this point)
g) Illuminated buttons
h) Wi-Fi 6
Most of this I think is a given, minus the WiFi 6 and illuminated buttons. I think if they go with PCIe 4 for the CFe cards and update the USB to be USB4 that is most likely, and both would yield significant performance gains for shooting and downloading.
I full agree about a bigger buffer and I hope they deliver that. It's pretty good as is, so I'd be happy with double the size, but if they do increase the fps to 60 then for sure they'd need to do more to increase that buffer size.
p.2 #8 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
SpecFoto wrote:
An A6900 with a 40+ MP sensor is going to cost more than the A7CII and close to what the A7CR sells for, my guess is $2,600+/-. If it is a stacked sensor, it will be even more than the A7CR. If you think Sony is going to give you a 40+ MP stacked sensor, a mechanical shutter and 15FPS or faster for what the A7CR sells for, I disagree, the camera for will be at least $4,000. If not they will be hurting their A9III sales.
Fuji has at least three 40+ Mpixel bodies for less than $2000 with the X-H2, X-T5, and the last X-T50 at only $1400. Their stacked X-H2S at 26 Mpixel is ~ $2500. I’m quoting all in USD. So all are less than an A7CR and APS-C products economy is also their less expensive lens offering over the compact C bodies. I think 40 Mpixels or 26 Mpixel Stacked sensor offering are both attractive depending on what your usage plan is as Fuji has shown. So maybe an A6900 and a A6900R
p.2 #9 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
jhapeman wrote:
Highly unlikely and unnecessary. They have a grip if you want that big camera feel. No need to make a new body and it makes zero economic sense for them.
I really like that when I want to use my Sony bodies as lightweight cameras I can do so by taking the grip off, but when I want the extra battery life and weight/feel to balance a long prime, I can put the grip on. Much more versatile.
I use my A1s to shoot a variety of things. Including landscape, travel, cityscape. I never use them with the battery grip even when I shoot with the 600 GM, the A1 with the RRS L bracket is perfect for me. Few months ago I bought two grips for my air to air shoots in Denmark because I was told I wouldn’t be allowed to change battery in mid flight for the safety of planes flying 50’ behind us, including the expensive F-35. I ended up not using the battery grips at all so I sold them all recently. I don’t like big cameras nor battery grip, but it’s just me. I know plenty of folks who prefer built in grips. That’s fine with me too.
p.2 #11 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
I would like Sony to release an A1c body (small rangefinder style body, stacked sensor).
Jul 24, 2024 at 03:18 PM
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p.2 #12 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
telyt wrote:
Show me the data.
I'm guessing more than anything. I figure the lack of gaps in a pro body compared to an alpha + grip may have better weather sealing. Its impossible to say for certain because, as far as I know, there aren't any mainstream camera bodies with IP ratings, and it is both very difficult and very expensive to do a good experiment at home.
p.2 #13 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
chez wrote:
Really, we are talking business here. Then we should talk about Sony semiconductor and maybe having them feed Canon sensors as that increases Sony’s revenues and profits. I would think Sony corporation would make much more profits feeding Canon sensors than some minor camera market share Sony might gain by releasing a killer next generation A1.
Raw…raw…let’s go Sony!!!
I always assumed it was a Canon choice to use Sony sensors or not. I'm sure most of the semiconductors in the camera are not made by Canon. Not sure if the cpu is designed by Canon or not, I can't imagine they fab it themselves, I imagine TSMC does that. At some point the sensor becomes just another semiconductor that it makes no sense to try and do in house.
p.2 #14 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
One huge hole in the Sony lineup is a stacked APS-C camera. Maybe the thinking is budget and stacked don't mix, but we've had stacked in 1" P&S RX100 for a long time. The only thing that explains it is the Sony cripple hammer not wanting to impact FF sales. Now that the A9 is on GS it seems Sony could do a stacked 21MP APS-C mini A1, but only after the A1 II is released.
p.2 #15 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
tschopp wrote:
One huge hole in the Sony lineup is a stacked APS-C camera. Maybe the thinking is budget and stacked don't mix, but we've had stacked in 1" P&S RX100 for a long time. The only thing that explains it is the Sony cripple hammer not wanting to impact FF sales. Now that the A9 is on GS it seems Sony could do a stacked 21MP APS-C mini A1, but only after the A1 II is released.
IMO APS-C is way past its deserved death date. With tiny camera sensors in phones and smaller cameras getting better and better and more full-frame cameras are available at reasonable price points the logic behind fabricating a cropped-sensor camera is increasingly slim and limited to "prosumer" entry cameras like ZV-E10, and rightly so. I can't ever imagine a high-performance APS-C camera being made outside of niche players like Olympus.
p.2 #16 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
jhapeman wrote:
IMO APS-C is way past its deserved death date. With tiny camera sensors in phones and smaller cameras getting better and better and more full-frame cameras are available at reasonable price points the logic behind fabricating a cropped-sensor camera is increasingly slim and limited to "prosumer" entry cameras like ZV-E10, and rightly so. I can't ever imagine a high-performance APS-C camera being made outside of niche players like Olympus.
I’ve never seen a real analysis of the cost difference between a stacked FF and APS-C sensor but based on using the Fuji X-H2S at $2500 I’m willing to believe it could be as high as $800 to $1000. A 40+ Mpixel vs 26 Mpixel is probably less than half that cost or maybe even less but that assumes the memory and processor requirements of the high resolution sensor contribute to that cost difference.
p.2 #17 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
I tend to agree especially since Sony came out with the A7CR and CII that size between my 6700 and the A7CR is fairly minimal in difference. Outside maybe the money than not sure APSC is needed in the lineup. Bigger issue is lenses as they change focal lengths between formats. When I did some switching around I wanted to get away from APSC lenses and go full frame glass, so I sold my 6700 and got the A7CR and now my glass matches my rental of the A7RV which is often
Outside all that I hate the rumor mill. If I can't shoot it than its vapor to me
p.2 #18 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
jhapeman wrote:
IMO APS-C is way past its deserved death date. With tiny camera sensors in phones and smaller cameras getting better and better and more full-frame cameras are available at reasonable price points the logic behind fabricating a cropped-sensor camera is increasingly slim and limited to "prosumer" entry cameras like ZV-E10, and rightly so. I can't ever imagine a high-performance APS-C camera being made outside of niche players like Olympus.
Ouch.
I still really enjoy shooting the Fuji X cameras. They won’t do what an A1 or A9III will do but a really enjoyable experience overall with the dials and if I’m feeling lazy - jpeg film sims.
Not extreme performance but high enjoyment. Kind of the Mazda Miata or Honda S2000 of cameras. Not the fastest but fun.
Recently dipped my toes into the M4/3s waters with an OM-1. I’m not as convinced that it really is the way of the future but then again with AI software getting better and better perhaps sensor size is going to be less crucial as time goes by.
p.2 #19 · Rumored Sony cameras for late 2024 and 2025 - A6900
jhapeman wrote:
IMO APS-C is way past its deserved death date. With tiny camera sensors in phones and smaller cameras getting better and better and more full-frame cameras are available at reasonable price points the logic behind fabricating a cropped-sensor camera is increasingly slim and limited to "prosumer" entry cameras like ZV-E10, and rightly so. I can't ever imagine a high-performance APS-C camera being made outside of niche players like Olympus.
I would certainly maintain that you are totally wrong. If you go to FF sites you will notice that a majority of posters confirm that they have added an A6700 to their cameras. It would be nice to have some statistics. Why would an APSC camera be "way past its deserved death date. In a blind test most people can't select which photo is made with a FF or an APSC camera.
