You aren’t missing anything, this is how custom settings work between gen four and gen five on Fuji. It’s a big reason I sold the VI and went back to the V. VI, X-50, X-T5, X-H2/S, GFX 100/S II all work this way.
RoamingScott wrote:
You aren’t missing anything, this is how custom settings work between gen four and gen five on Fuji. It’s a big reason I sold the VI and went back to the V. VI, X-50, X-T5, X-H2/S, GFX 100/S II all work this way.
Wow .. I was struggling with it trying to figure what am I doing wrong.. at lest now I know. I wonder why they did it - doesn’t make sense with the recipes which was major thing to the users.
yuha1 wrote:
Wow .. I was struggling with it trying to figure what am I doing wrong.. at lest now I know. I wonder why they did it - doesn’t make sense with the recipes which was major thing to the users.
So, from a purely "custom setting banks" perspective, it all makes sense. If you have a "Portrait C1", "Birds in flight C2", etc, you're going to probably have different AF areas, release modes, ratios, metering, blah blah blah, right? If you're shooting RAW, all of this makes sense and actually works pretty well!
If, however, you're shooting custom recipes (which Fuji sort of bases their entire identity on), you're also forced to save those in the C1, C2, etc slots now. Let's say you go out and want to shoot 4:5 all day, so you set your C1 Portra setting to 4:5...that won't flow to C2 Ilford when you want to switch to black and white, because as we now know, C1 is a "custom setting bank"...why WOULD you want it to flow to another setting bank? What that means though is now you have to go set every C setting/recipe to 4:5 individually.
Fuji really screwed up tying recipes to C modes IMO.
RoamingScott wrote:
So, from a purely "custom setting banks" perspective, it all makes sense. If you have a "Portrait C1", "Birds in flight C2", etc, you're going to probably have different AF areas, release modes, ratios, metering, blah blah blah, right? If you're shooting RAW, all of this makes sense and actually works pretty well!
If, however, you're shooting custom recipes (which Fuji sort of bases their entire identity on), you're also forced to save those in the C1, C2, etc slots now. Let's say you go out and want to shoot 4:5 all day, so you set your C1 Portra setting to 4:5...that won't flow to C2 Ilford when you want to switch to black and white, because as we now know, C1 is a "custom setting bank"...why WOULD you want it to flow to another setting bank? What that means though is now you have to go set every C setting/recipe to 4:5 individually.
Fuji really screwed up tying recipes to C modes IMO....Show more →
Before it worked perfectly. I could override even the IQ settings of the base recipes I had stored according to lighting and the scene … now it’s useless. I set to A or S and set everything manually no CS.
I don’t use the recipes, but if I am understanding the complaint correctly, then can’t you just toggle film styles in the Q menu? So if you want to shoot 4:5 today, you say have that set in C1, then simply use the Q menu to swap film styles when you want a different one. If you want the last one chosen to stick after power down, then turn auto-update custom settings.
gear-nut wrote:
I don’t use the recipes, but if I am understanding the complaint correctly, then can’t you just toggle film styles in the Q menu? So if you want to shoot 4:5 today, you say have that set in C1, then simply use the Q menu to swap film styles when you want a different one. If you want the last one chosen to stick after power down, then turn auto-update custom settings.
Yes, you can do that IF you only want to use built in film sim. The discussion here is CUSTOM recipes.
yuha1 wrote:
Before it worked perfectly. I could override even the IQ settings of the base recipes I had stored according to lighting and the scene … now it’s useless. I set to A or S and set everything manually no CS.
I totally agree with you! It's insane and frustrating.
RoamingScott wrote:
Yes, you can do that IF you only want to use built in film sim. The discussion here is CUSTOM recipes.
Ah, 10-4. I get the issue now.
RoamingScott wrote:
I totally agree with you! It's insane and frustrating.
Even the user settings on my Q3 works with more logic. Everything is stored, you can override it and it will remain until you turn off the camera. If you toggle to another setting and come back it will be reset to what previously stored.
IQ settings such as COLOR CHROME EFFECT and TONE CURVE are saved with the C1-C7 custom settings after powering off the X-H2 when AUTO UPDATE CUSTOM SETTING is enabled.
jeffbuzz wrote:
IQ settings such as COLOR CHROME EFFECT and TONE CURVE are saved with the C1-C7 custom settings after powering off the X-H2 when AUTO UPDATE CUSTOM SETTING is enabled.
You loose the ability to make a change temporary for the current session and get the original next time. When you auto update you don’t know what was before.
If sleep mode would not reset the changes it would work great. Maybe it’s a bug.
yuha1 wrote:
You loose the ability to make a change temporary for the current session and get the original next time. When you auto update you don’t know what was before.
If sleep mode would not reset the changes it would work great. Maybe it’s a bug.
isn't disabling AUTO UPDATE CUSTOM SETTING the solution then?
yuha1 wrote:
Disabling auto update resets any temp change when the camera goes to sleep mode.. it's crap whatever you choose.
So you want the camera to behave differently when it powers off due to sleep timeout versus flipping the power switch? I suppose Fuji could add more granular power settings for that. Although I've not used any camera that discerned between sleep off and hard switch off.
The solution for you is setting AUTO POWER OFF to OFF. You can make whatever IQ changes you want without overwriting the current custom bank. Your "session" lasts as long as your battery. You then have to be responsible to manage your own power consumption.
jeffbuzz wrote:
So you want the camera to behave differently when it powers off due to sleep timeout versus flipping the power switch? I suppose Fuji could add more granular power settings for that. Although I've not used any camera that discerned between sleep off and hard switch off.
The solution for you is setting AUTO POWER OFF to OFF. You can make whatever IQ changes you want without overwriting the current custom bank. Your "session" lasts as long as your battery. You then have to be responsible to manage your own power consumption.
The X100V doesn’t change any settings when it back on after auto power off. My Q3 is the same my Z6 also the same.
Setting auto power off to off .. possible solution but will drain the battery quickly.
RoamingScott wrote:
You aren’t missing anything, this is how custom settings work between gen four and gen five on Fuji. It’s a big reason I sold the VI and went back to the V. VI, X-50, X-T5, X-H2/S, GFX 100/S II all work this way.
This is quite frustrating. I now have two 5th generation Fuji cameras (X100VI and X-T5), and I absolutely dislike that the camera goes to sleep and resets all my current settings. Previously, custom settings were only linked to Image Quality settings, but now they are linked to almost everything.
I believe Fuji, in their wisdom, considers this a significant improvement since they record more settings to the banks and are unlikely to change it. However, for those using custom settings as image recipes, it’s actually a downgrade.
Indeed, this CS behavior is extremely inconvenient for patterns built over years while shooting with previous gen cameras and intensively involving CS (many of them I still keep). I feel your pain deep, went through that few times.
At first, this new and very inconvenient CS behavior made me sell Fuji X-E4, which in addition to significantly cut off physical buttons made that camera very tough to use in parallel with X100V. It later also turned me away from Fuji X-T30II, which I also tried and hated primarily for this "upgraded" CS mode.
Years passed, and on a second try I managed to somehow get used to this weird CS behavior when purchased X-T30II again. I keep "Auto Update Custom Settings" > DISABLED, and have Auto Power Off set to max 5min. I also keep Edit CS in My Menu, for decision when some tweak of CS should stay longer - quickly modifying particular setting and hit "Q" to save (I think it's still much better than allowing auto save)
Unfortunately, there is no known workaround for X100VI to use CS in same convenient way it is in X100V/X-T30/X-Pro3. When manufacturer decide to critically change the menu setting or buttons on newer cameras - it's often quite painful for old time loyal customers, that got used to convenience and flexibility of great design made. I don't believe Fuji ever revisit it through FW update, but hoping they can bring more flexibility in next gen cameras.
Somehow I didn't even point attention recently on this difference when randomly shooting with X100V or X100VI, perhaps X-T30II helped to build new habits, or maybe it's due to less experimentation with tuning Film sims (I'm still primarily SOOC JPEG shooter). But I strongly support the point that his CS change is still very inconvenient, and looks to me like it is made with assumptions that "Customers may like the new way and get used to it over time"... I guess it's true, but it was a painful time for me.
yukosteel wrote:
I keep "Auto Update Custom Settings" > DISABLED, and have Auto Power Off set to max 5min.
Instinctively, I have the same settings now. I wish there was an option for a 10-minute sleep mode since the battery lasts a long time with my shooting style, where I keep the LCD off and the viewfinder only activates when my eye approaches it. By the way, even the 'Auto Power Off' setting is now saved to custom settings! I had one recipe with this setting turned 'Off' for some reason, and it caused my battery to drain completely once. It’s a bit frustrating.
With the X-T5, I'm learning to rely more on dials than settings since those remain unchanged regardless of the custom settings...
Fujifilm could easily fix this by offering an option to apply custom settings to 'Image Quality Settings Only,' like it used to be. This simple fix would make many photographers happy, especially those who rely heavily on recipes. Perhaps we can all send them this feedback.
Another annoying change on the X-T5 is the peaking settings. On my previous cameras, the peaking colors would disappear when I half-pressed the shutter button, providing a cleaner view of the composition. Now, the peaking color remains. If it’s not broken, don’t change it, Fuji!
All of these little things are why I ended up liking the X100V more than the VI. The VI would have been an all timer if CS worked the old way and the IBIS parked while powered off.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Instinctively, I have the same settings now. I wish there was an option for a 10-minute sleep mode since the battery lasts a long time with my shooting style, where I keep the LCD off and the viewfinder only activates when my eye approaches it. By the way, even the 'Auto Power Off' setting is now saved to custom settings! I had one recipe with this setting turned 'Off' for some reason, and it caused my battery to drain completely once. It’s a bit frustrating.
With the X-T5, I'm learning to rely more on dials than settings since those remain unchanged regardless of the custom settings...
Fujifilm could easily fix this by offering an option to apply custom settings to 'Image Quality Settings Only,' like it used to be. This simple fix would make many photographers happy, especially those who rely heavily on recipes. Perhaps we can all send them this feedback.
Another annoying change on the X-T5 is the peaking settings. On my previous cameras, the peaking colors would disappear when I half-pressed the shutter button, providing a cleaner view of the composition. Now, the peaking color remains. If it’s not broken, don’t change it, Fuji! ...Show more →
