As usual, the youtubers have no idea what they are doing. So many shooting in 3D mode, or commenting on how they are "stress testing" the camera by shooting wide open at f/1.2, when in reality it's been shown that the wider/brighter you shoot on Nikon, the higher your hit rate will typically be, including even 1.2 lenses wide open.
I don't even know what Fro was trying to do with the boxers.
I don't know. Every time he shoots something for a Nikon video I always get the feeling he hasn't shot a Nikon camera for 8 months. RoamingScott wrote:
As usual, the youtubers have no idea what they are doing. So many shooting in 3D mode, or commenting on how they are "stress testing" the camera by shooting wide open at f/1.2, when in reality it's been shown that the wider/brighter you shoot on Nikon, the higher your hit rate will typically be, including even 1.2 lenses wide open.
I don't even know what Fro was trying to do with the boxers.
sjms wrote:
i beg to differ. i find that screen more than a petty annoyance. at least it can stay in place in the screen position instead of increasing to potential breakage factor. and flip over for transport.
Can you clarify if the Z8 or the Z6iii screen is the petty annoyance for you. I would have preferred a mechanically more robust double tilt screen because I tend to be rough on my gear. But the size/weight of the Z8bare a bugger annoyance for me than the flippy contraptoon, which was clearly targeted at the vlogger crowd. Sigh... I pre ordered but the first time I do so with trepidation.
mrdan86 wrote:
Wish it was fully stacked sensor. Just feels like value engineering especially at 24 megapixels. Seems like it's been long enough for fully stacked to make it to this price point at this resolution. As it is readout is very similar to the R6ii. It seems camera offers a boatload of other useful features over other cameras in the segment like the R6ii, but for my shooting envelope and use cases there's nothing really compelling here. Guess I'll stick with the Z5 and Z8 for now when it comes to Nikon.
My guess is that the 24 mpx partial stacked sensor is about low light, DR, low noise optimization rather than speed. This would be consistent with the model Sony designed it for.
Look the Z6III shoots at speeds in stills and video that were unheard of at any price until recently. If the AF is right this is more camera than the majority of photographers will ever need. To beat the performance of this camera in the Sony lineup you would need to spend a lot more money. People are going to buy this camera in good volume. Deservedly so in my opinion.
Way late entering this thread, but the HDR EVF that hits 4,000 nits peak brightness (probably on a 1-2% window) is the first thing that stood out to me. I have been waiting for a manufacturer to implement HDR viewing at the capture level.
story_teller wrote:
Definitely not boring if you previously owned a Z6. Sorry, there are a lot of people who won’t share your opinion. At a $2,500 price point it’s going to sell very well!
As a hybrid shooter (80% video) who's been in the Panny camp for several years, this is a very interesting camera to me. The Z8, ZF, and the continued improvement of Z lens selection have kept Nikon on my radar. Panasonic had a hit with the S5ii/x just a year ago. Z6III blows that out of the water. Am I ready to jump ship? Not quite. But if the S1H successor is lackluster or "too expensive", I may consider a switch. I find that hard to imagine given how things have played out thus far though.
I can see how Z6III may be less exciting from a pure photography standpoint though. Seems like most companies are jockeying for position when it comes to video these days (specifically resolution & codec).
Edit - add on usability too (e.g. excellent viewfinders & ergos). which i tend to value more.
1bwana1 wrote:
My guess is that the 24 mpx partial stacked sensor is about low light, DR, low noise optimization rather than speed. This would be consistent with the model Sony designed it for.
Look the Z6III shoots at speeds in stills and video that were unheard of at any price until recently. If the AF is right this is more camera than the majority of photographers will ever need. To beat the performance of this camera in the Sony lineup you would need to spend a lot more money. People are going to buy this camera in good volume. Deservedly so in my opinion....Show more →
Right, that's what the marketing says (of course that may just be spin). Really touting "world's first partially-stacked" sensor doesn't feel like a cheap-out move. It does feel like they wanted to combine the benefits of BSI + stacked sensor.
Product engineering and distribution people feel free to correct me, but if Nikon is worried about price point, would it not have been easier to just use a fully BSI or fully stacked sensor? Rather than the "world's first" partially-stacked?
RomanMF wrote:
Way late entering this thread, but the HDR EVF that hits 4,000 nits peak brightness (probably on a 1-2% window) is the first thing that stood out to me. I have been waiting for a manufacturer to implement HDR viewing at the capture level.
You're right on time...there was nothing to discuss until 4 hours ago
As someone sitting on a ZFC and contemplating the jump to Z6iii or Z8 (landscape, wildlife, BiF hobbyist) I can finally start to compare. Z6iii looks compelling, especially at 2500, what reviews have been the most informative out there, suddenly there's a ton of information when it was just rumors for so long, kinda overwhelming lol.
Techuser wrote:
That damn selfie screen though...
I can't imagine vloggers being such a main consumer share to justify following this trend
I know this type of screen gets labeled as a "vlogger" screen. And it would certainly appeal to that group. But to me, this has always been the type of screen for video in general (essentially a camcorder-type screen). For better or for worse, mirrorless cameras have absorbed most of the camcorder user segment. So most bodies are having to do double duty as truly hybrid cameras.
Most video-centric shooters in the low-to-medium-sized production segment (including me) would likely prefer the flip screen. Actually tbh, I prefer a tilt screen that goes all the way around if that's possible (in both axes). Although that's probably the least common configuration. Another compromise would be the dual tilt & flip screen, but that would add size, which I'm comfortable with. However, I know not everyone would be.
Sure "real" videographers/cinematographers use external monitors. Use "real video cameras", etc. Which is all true to an extent. But at this price point, a small production company could buy 3 of these bodies for one "real video camera".
EeyoreSadFace wrote:
As someone sitting on a ZFC and contemplating the jump to Z6iii or Z8 (landscape, wildlife, BiF hobbyist) I can finally start to compare. Z6iii looks compelling, especially at 2500, what reviews have been the most informative out there, suddenly there's a ton of information when it was just rumors for so long, kinda overwhelming lol.
The combo of the ZF & the capabilities of the mid-pro bodies have definitely been interesting to me. If anyone were a Fuji-user for the shooting experience but were in another system for more professional/video needs, then you could get both by buying into the Z-system. I kind of fit into this camp.
Still love Fuji. Still love Lumix. But if I could get both with one system, I could be convinced to make the switch.
I usually go to Peta Pixel (i.e. Chris & Jordan), since they split up photo & video capabilities in the review. And they generally have a lot of real-world examples from the camera. If video is a focus, then I also go to CineD for their lab tests.
chriseu wrote:
As a hybrid shooter (80% video) who's been in the Panny camp for several years, this is a very interesting camera to me. The Z8, ZF, and the continued improvement of Z lens selection have kept Nikon on my radar. Panasonic had a hit with the S5ii/x just a year ago. Z6III blows that out of the water. Am I ready to jump ship? Not quite. But if the S1H successor is lackluster or "too expensive", I may consider a switch. I find that hard to imagine given how things have played out thus far though.
I can see how Z6III may be less exciting from a pure photography standpoint though. Seems like most companies are jockeying for position when it comes to video these days (specifically resolution & codec).
Edit - add on usability too (e.g. excellent viewfinders & ergos). which i tend to value more....Show more →
In photography terms, the Expeed7, 20fps, and faster speeds should make it a joy to shoot. 24mp is the sweet spot for a perfect hybrid camera. When I used Z8 for video, the low light was the weak spot. Glad Nikon didn't go 30+ megapixel. If someone wants resoultion go Z8, if you want low light go Z6 III. Its perfect
ArizonaImage wrote:
In photography terms, the Expeed7, 20fps, and faster speeds should make it a joy to shoot. 24mp is the sweet spot for a perfect hybrid camera. When I used Z8 for video, the low light was the weak spot. Glad Nikon didn't go 30+ megapixel. If someone wants resoultion go Z8, if you want low light go Z6 III. Its perfect
Even better then! Add a few more check marks to the "pros column". I'm sure some people will fight you on 24mp though! Works out just fine for my purposes.
chriseu wrote:
The combo of the ZF & the capabilities of the mid-pro bodies have definitely been interesting to me. If anyone were a Fuji-user for the shooting experience but were in another system for more professional/video needs, then you could get both by buying into the Z-system. I kind of fit into this camp.
Still love Fuji. Still love Lumix. But if I could get both with one system, I could be convinced to make the switch.
I usually go to Peta Pixel (i.e. Chris & Jordan), since they split up photo & video capabilities in the review. And they generally have a lot of real-world examples from the camera. If video is a focus, then I also go to CineD for their lab tests. ...Show more →
I'm not sure how you get the Fuji exposure triangle shooting experience by buying into Nikon who don't have lenses with aperture rings...no, rotating the rear dial does NOT count
RoamingScott wrote:
I'm not sure how you get the Fuji exposure triangle shooting experience by buying into Nikon who don't have lenses with aperture rings...no, rotating the rear dial does NOT count
lol fair enough. you have to get even more into the experience by slapping on an old nikkor ais
edit - surely the aperture rings must be on the way? might just be wishful thinking on my part. nikon should just allow the sigma i-series and call it a day (it's a start at least)
1bwana1 wrote:
The Z6III looks to be a World Class competitor in it class. It should help Nikon recapture significant market share. A great addition to the Z ecosystem. Maybe the the current leader in the 24mpx all around camera class. Very competative pricing to boot.
Congratulations Nikon!!!
I am looking forward to trying on in the near future.
After hearing the rumored prices, I'm surprised they were able to get down to this price point (at least in the US). To me, this is the leader in the segment as you suggested.
