p.5 #3 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
For those interested, I once tried to adjust the unsynced shutter speeds on my M‑D, but it turned out to be more complicated than I expected since it uses magnets and clearly requires a custom machine for proper calibration. Doing it manually was just too tedious, so I ended up sending it to Leica Germany for a full CLA.
p.5 #4 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I keep post-processing pretty light...just basic sharpening and some black-and-white point adjustments. I’m using Adobe Standard as the color profile. The only exception is the black and white images, which needed conversion and a bit of level tweaking in Lightroom.
The 262 colors are so darn good. DNG in LR is always 90% of the way there.
I never found myself removing magenta saturation like I did with the M240.
p.5 #7 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
This is an interesting topic that comes up often. Are the colors on the M262 (or M-D) a bit different from the M240's? I've seen many claiming yes although both use the same 24MP CMOS sensor.
The M240 also supports Live View and video recording. Video requires a different sensor readout behavior, continuously reading data at high speed, managing rolling shutter timing, and processing the video pipeline which means more energy/heat. The M240 offers these features, while the M262 has simpler electronics, and the M-D even simpler.
Could this affect stills output? I'm not sure since I have not tested it, but if there is any difference, it might actually be because of less heat so the M262 files could be cleaner, with less color shift, banding and color noise, but perhaps the overall output would probably be very close at base ISO.
p.5 #8 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
Had no idea the entire shutter dial mechanism is all magnetically controlled and is external of the camera. The only thing holding that dial to the top plate is just two screws.
Fun fact: The M262 has a physical button and ribbon cable where the custom button would be as on the M240/M10, M11. There's just not a physical button to actuate it. I'd be interested if it actually did anything in the software tho.
Fred Miranda wrote:
For those interested, I once tried to adjust the unsynced shutter speeds on my M‑D, but it turned out to be more complicated than I expected since it uses magnets and clearly requires a custom machine for proper calibration. Doing it manually was just too tedious, so I ended up sending it to Leica Germany for a full CLA.
p.5 #9 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
dumplinknet wrote:
Had no idea the entire shutter dial mechanism is all magnetically controlled and is external of the camera. The only thing holding that dial to the top plate is just two screws.
Fun fact: The M262 has a physical button and ribbon cable where the custom button would be as on the M240/M10, M11. There's just not a physical button to actuate it. I'd be interested if it actually did anything in the software tho.
Leica keeps adding and removing that button! I didn't realize the M262 doesn't have it. The M-D (Typ 262) has the button, and it's the only way to change or view settings on the camera.
At least we know how to change the date/time battery now!
p.5 #10 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
And the M240-P variant has different color than the regular M240, I had both, just not at the same time, and I liked the P so much more, much more accurate white balance too which I rarely touch the white balance slider. It's still mostly on the warm side but the colors are balanced so nothing jumps out immediately.
gammarART wrote:
The 262 has other colors than the 240(P)? 😮
p.5 #11 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
jeffersoncasey wrote:
And the M240-P variant has different color than the regular M240, I had both, just not at the same time, and I liked the P so much more, much more accurate white balance too which I rarely touch the white balance slider. It's still mostly on the warm side but the colors are balanced so nothing jumps out immediately.
Yeah, I suspected this. A lot of people hated the cold tone of the screen in the M240 and they changed that to a too-warm tone on the 240-P and that lasted through the M262. But was it just a screen color change? hmmm...
p.5 #12 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
As far as I know there are two different back display, one with coolish tint and lower contrast so you can make out details better (my M240) and greenish with high contrast and deep shadows that's hard to judge the dynamic range (my M240-P).
My observations and remarks were based on the DNG editing on same display, however. I'm sure Leica knew the issue but no solutions, unlike what they did for the M11 white balance via firmware update (even then I think they only admit the issue when they have solution to it). ottokbre wrote:
Yeah, I suspected this. A lot of people hated the cold tone of the screen in the M240 and they changed that to a too-warm tone on the 240-P and that lasted through the M262. But was it just a screen color change? hmmm...
p.5 #13 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
I’d really love to see a comparison (same subjects, same scenes) between the M240P and the M10/M10R colors 🙂
The M10 colors are pretty legendary in the Leica world, especially on the M10-R. After that, we got the 61-megapixel sensor with its very neutral, technically consistent color rendering — accurate, yes, but not particularly distinctive or memorable.
p.5 #14 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
gammarART wrote:
I’d really love to see a comparison (same subjects, same scenes) between the M240P and the M10/M10R colors 🙂
The M10 colors are pretty legendary in the Leica world, especially on the M10-R. After that, we got the 61-megapixel sensor with its very neutral, technically consistent color rendering — accurate, yes, but not particularly distinctive or memorable.
I agree. The M11 may be more technically accurate, but that doesn't automatically make it more pleasing.
Aside from the tint issue, which I believe Leica has recently addressed with a fix, I still prefer the colors from my M-D, followed by the M10-P and then the M10-R, in that order. Part of it comes down to tonal rendering. Files with slightly less DR have stronger native contrast and more vivid color straight out of camera. Aside from that, differences in sensor response and Leica's firmware color tuning also influence the overall color signature.
p.5 #17 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
Fun to see Fred channeling his inner iFixit. The only missing piece from the M-D is the film advance lever. No joke. More properly, it would cock the shutter and allow the removal of all electric motors, which is good for battery life and reliability. It would also provide a natural (vs artificial) thumb rest. This lever was a super-cool aspect of the old Epson R-D1.
p.5 #18 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
Fred Miranda wrote:
A few samples from the M-D + 50/1.4 Lux (pre-apsh)
All wide open.
your M-D pairs well with the lux 50 pre asph, reminds me I've been neglecting mine and will be pulling it off the shelf next month when I return to Asheville.
The only missing piece from the M-D is the film advance lever. No joke. More properly, it would cock the shutter and allow the removal of all electric motors, which is good for battery life and reliability. It would also provide a natural (vs artificial) thumb rest. This lever was a super-cool aspect of the old Epson R-D1.
