p.2 #1 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Jonas B wrote:
I refrain from judging the skin tones or the lips of the bride. Too much make-up/artificial sun tan and perhaps post processing on top of that.
When looking at the flowers they don't look pale or unsaturated to me with a color managed browser and a color managed/calibrated wide-gamut monitor. Hence my question about your browser setting but now i guess you have it all set up.
Maybe we just are seeing things differently. I guess that is more plausible than color differences between lens samples.
Could be the (lack of) accurate color processing in the image. I have noticed (as a full time wedding photographer for 2 decades) that there is a current trend of dull, desaturated, dead color processing.
There are going to be a *lot* of disappointed future generations that wonder what TF happened to the colors of these images.
p.2 #2 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
I don't know if you can assign a color cast for the lens that fixes things in general. It may be easier to go with the 135GM. I have both the 85DN and 135GM. The 135GM is the better lens, mainly in terms of focus speed and accuracy. I find it really hard to make a bad photo with that lens. The main issue is can you deal with the longer focal length. I find the 85 and 135 almost redundant, but keep the 85 because some times the 135 is just too long, but that will be my first grab for a tele portrait.
p.2 #3 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
gheller wrote:
Could be the (lack of) accurate color processing in the image. I have noticed (as a full time wedding photographer for 2 decades) that there is a current trend of dull, desaturated, dead color processing.[...]
Interesting! I'm kind of at the other side of the scale when comparing what I do to a wedding photographer. Thus I have no opinion, nor any idea, on or about wedding photos trends. I take your word for it and wonder why such a trend exists. Are people trying not to look imperfect?
Anyway, the OP seems to have lost interest. I still think he needs to profile his monitor and make some custom profiles. If hiring a photographer I would expect to get a series of reasonably well color matched images. pale faces or not.
p.2 #4 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Scott.henry wrote:
I have been getting annoyed with trying to match my Sigma 85mm colors to my 50, 35, & 24 GM lenses for weddings. The 85mm look is not bad just different in color and rendering. Thinking about bumping up to a Sigma 105 or 135 GM. Would I have the same issues with matching the 105 or does it better match the GM glass.
I just looked at some of my RAW files from the Sigma 85mm f1.4, Sigma 105mm f1.4 and GM 135mm f1.8. It appears that the 105mm is closer to Sony in skin tones, but does not provide the matching you are looking for, if we are splitting hairs.
For me, it is not really a problem. If I shoot an event, with a mixture of lenses (i.e., GM 50mm f1.2 and Sigma 105mm), I group the files by lens in Lightroom. I then makes really minor color corrections to a sample image and then do a global copy of those settings to the other files. Problem solved in minutes. For me, it is no big deal and the Sigma 105mm f1.4 provides such a great look, it is worth the effort.
I most notice the issue when I use the GM 70-200mm f2.8 II along with Sigma lenses. I find this GM zoom to be particularly color neutral.
p.2 #5 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
The "right" solution to this is to make color calibration files for each lens/body combo. This is *not* what Lightroom calls a "lens profile" - that's geometry and vignetting, so a color profile like this will not get applied automatically - you'll have to search for the Sigma, apply profile A, search for the Sony, apply profile B.
Lumariver Profile Designer (plus a colorchecker) is really good software to make detailed profiles like this.
p.2 #6 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
InFocus2014 wrote:
I just looked at some of my RAW files from the Sigma 85mm f1.4, Sigma 105mm f1.4 and GM 135mm f1.8. It appears that the 105mm is closer to Sony in skin tones, but does not provide the matching you are looking for, if we are splitting hairs.
For me, it is not really a problem. If I shoot an event, with a mixture of lenses (i.e., GM 50mm f1.2 and Sigma 105mm), I group the files by lens in Lightroom. I then makes really minor color corrections to a sample image and then do a global copy of those settings to the other files. Problem solved in minutes. For me, it is no big deal and the Sigma 105mm f1.4 provides such a great look, it is worth the effort.
I most notice the issue when I use the GM 70-200mm f2.8 II along with Sigma lenses. I find this GM zoom to be particularly color neutral....Show more →
Good to know. Yeah 135 would probably be the closest match. I do have the 70-200 f2.8 II. There are some ceremonies that a pretty dimly lit that I use the 85mm 1.4 for. Otherwise I use the 70-200 for reach and 50 for almost everything else. I rarely use the 85 unless I have to or my 2nd needs it, which happened on this wedding.
p.2 #7 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Jonas B wrote:
Interesting! I'm kind of at the other side of the scale when comparing what I do to a wedding photographer. Thus I have no opinion, nor any idea, on or about wedding photos trends. I take your word for it and wonder why such a trend exists. Are people trying not to look imperfect?
Anyway, the OP seems to have lost interest. I still think he needs to profile his monitor and make some custom profiles. If hiring a photographer I would expect to get a series of reasonably well color matched images. pale faces or not.
lol, busy weekend away from the forum.. Yeah colors are a bit dull on this one. Trying to deal with the colors of the spray tan. Tricky to fix her and not have everyone else look like a ghost. If I get a chance I will repost some images after fixing my monitor.
p.2 #9 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Scott.henry wrote:
Also I am wondering if anyone has experience with the 85mm Batis and 85 GM? How does the color compare between the two?
I do have both lenses, I used them more in the past and less so lately. I didn't notice my, if any color difference between the two. I never used the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DG DN that you had problem with but I do have the Sigma 105mm f/1.4. I don't notice much, if any, color difference among all 3 lenses. I am using LR and the color rendition of those lenses on various camera bodies over the years is, I would say, spot on. Slight adjustment here and there to taste is all what it takes. But I am not shooting wedding although I do a fair amount of portraits using those lenses.
