p.1 #1 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
I have been getting annoyed with trying to match my Sigma 85mm colors to my 50, 35, & 24 GM lenses for weddings. The 85mm look is not bad just different in color and rendering. Thinking about bumping up to a Sigma 105 or 135 GM. Would I have the same issues with matching the 105 or does it better match the GM glass.
p.1 #2 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Different brands of glass have different looks that's pretty normal as they use different coatings and such. Also no one thinks about this but even the raw glass and chemicals are different . Leica uses Schott glass but Nikon may use another brand and that goes on in the industry. Not to mention different Raw convertors have different looks. With Sony I like Capture One much better than any Adobe Raw convertor as the Profiles are better in C1 at least to me. This is really a mixed bag with coatings , the glass itself than Raw convertors. Plus more important than anything is you having a color managed system and calibrated monitor so your output is consistent going to your client. Another issue is the monitor you own. Most are not photo friendly. You need a good RBG monitor or wide gamut. Looking at these two images but take no offense I do not like the look and color of them. You are fine as the shooter but the color looks off to me.
p.1 #4 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
I use a nice Benq photo monitor. It has been a while since I have calibrated it. Might need to do that. The spray tan makes this one especially difficult to color grade. Yeah the 135 would probably be the best and safest bet. At least until they release an update to the 85 gm.
p.1 #6 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Scott.henry wrote:
I use a nice Benq photo monitor. It has been a while since I have calibrated it. Might need to do that. The spray tan makes this one especially difficult to color grade. Yeah the 135 would probably be the best and safest bet. At least until they release an update to the 85 gm.
I love the 85 GM but it's a slow dog with focusing and was a real issue for me in the studio so had to sell it. We need a version II for sure
p.1 #7 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
I have borrowed a friend’s 85mm f1.4 Art twice and both times I couldn’t get the colours to match my GM lenses. Its why I am waiting for the upcoming 85mm f1.4 GM II. I would however like a Sigma portrait duo of a 40mm f1.4/1.2 Art DG DN + 105mm f1.4 Art DG DN should they ever make them.
Also can’t get my 24-70mm f2.8 Art to match my 12-24mm f2.8 GM when doing woodland photography.
Scott.henry wrote:
I have been getting annoyed with trying to match my Sigma 85mm colors to my 50, 35, & 24 GM lenses for weddings. The 85mm look is not bad just different in color and rendering. Thinking about bumping up to a Sigma 105 or 135 GM. Would I have the same issues with matching the 105 or does it better match the GM glass.
p.1 #9 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Sigma 85/1.4 Art renders colours in a different way compared to Sony GM primes.That was one of the main reasons I let it go.If you want to keep consistency in colour rendition go for magical GM 85/1.4 and/or fabulous 135/1.8.
p.1 #10 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Have you tried importing with different profiles? The RAW converter and the protocols that the lens manufacturers assign has a bigger impact than glass does on the color. I imported the first picture with Adobe Landscape + Lens and the second picture with Adobe Portrait + Lens and the difference is pretty significant to my eye. Particularly how the sky was handled and the yellow/orange tones. Both shots were taken with the Loxia 35. Same settings.
FWIW I like both pictures. Yes there is a green cast in the first one, but she's holding a bunch of foliage and her eyes are green so it doesn't seem off at all to me. But I understand the frustration of wanting them to match.
***Edit: Adding a DXO version with nothing applied - The yellow looks more pale to my eye***
p.1 #12 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
I like custom profiles the best. They give me fairly neutral starting points for further editing regardless of what lens and camera I use(d).
First thing first though: make sure your system is color managed... Then apply a custom profile when importing the images.
My workflow is of course suitable for a few images at a time only. I guess it's a totally other thing having a couple of houndreds images from a wedding.
The images of the bride are well captured, I like them! They are are just a little on the cold side for my taste.
One question: I noticed they are in posted aRGB. Is that just for the forum here and now? You probably publish an on-line album for the clients and they are in turn probably showing parts of the images for friends using their phones. Then it would be better using sRGB, no?
p.1 #13 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
gunmetal wrote:
Have you tried importing with different profiles? The RAW converter and the protocols that the lens manufacturers assign has a bigger impact than glass does on the color.[...]
I totally agree.
About the three samples it is very much about taste. i tend to like the warmer result as in the first version.
p.1 #14 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Lenses from diffrent companies definitely draw diffrent and have slightly diffrent colors. Sometimes you can even see differences between lenses from the same company, especially in diffrent lens lines.
If you want all you photos to look as consistent as possible I would either replace the Sigma with a Sony GM or you can try creating custom color profiles which might help the Sigma lens and Sony lenses match more closely.
To know how much the lens colors are changing the look of your photos I would try to take the same photo (as close as possible with your diffrent focal lengths) with the Sigma and one of your GM lenses. I wasn't at the event so it's hard to say for sure, but I feel like the lighting and possibly the white balance between the two photos you posted where quite diffrent making the differences between lenses stand out more. Maybe you will find the lenses match closer in color and can save the cost of updating, or maybe it will confirm swapping the sigma for a Sony gm is the right move for your needs.
p.1 #15 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
For a wedding shooter that’s all about faces and such I would certainly lean to consistent results given you may shoot 500 images or more. I shoot 20 grand over 4 days with models. Thank god it’s all the same stage lighting but on each event I will WB off a name tag than process up to 4 grand at once. Next event same thing find a name tag and so on. These are things to consider and get your color management under your power but I do shoot Sony only on those gigs. If you do go Sony 135 it’s certainly one of the best around. Not cheap but it is bullet proof. I shoot the Sony 70-200 Version II on those events and that is also killer good if you would rather go that route that way you have extra focal lengths as well
p.1 #18 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
gheller wrote:
Yes, your colors look unsaturated and "flat" if that makes sense.
My Sigma 85 1.4 renders beautifully with warm, saturated tones. Could be a copy variation
It may happen you browser isn't set to be color managed. If so aRGB images will look unsaturated. I don't think different copies of the lens renders colors differently.
p.1 #19 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
Jonas B wrote:
It may happen you browser isn't set to be color managed. If so aRGB images will look unsaturated. I don't think different copies of the lens renders colors differently.
No, my monitor is spot on (I use 2 calibrated monitors side by side) and the OP's images are *definitely* flat and unsaturated ~ skin tones look dead on both monitors.
p.1 #20 · Color inconsistency of sigma 85mm with Sony GM Glass
gheller wrote:
No, my monitor is spot on (I use 2 calibrated monitors side by side) and the OP's images are *definitely* flat and unsaturated ~ skin tones look dead on both monitors.
I refrain from judging the skin tones or the lips of the bride. Too much make-up/artificial sun tan and perhaps post processing on top of that.
When looking at the flowers they don't look pale or unsaturated to me with a color managed browser and a color managed/calibrated wide-gamut monitor. Hence my question about your browser setting but now i guess you have it all set up.
Maybe we just are seeing things differently. I guess that is more plausible than color differences between lens samples.
