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Archive 2024 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?

  
 
Jack Flesher
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p.8 #1 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


I just picked up an XT5 a few days ago, have the 16-55 and 27 lenses only so far, and with that limitation I have had an introduction to its raw files. Firstly let me just say that I am more impressed than I thought I’d be. It’s an excellent little camera. Surprisingly my standard conversion settings in C1 are essentially identical to the GFX 100s. Not all that surprising given the nature of each sensor. Colors are near identical as well and that’s a very nice thing for those of us dealing with multiple systems.

Side comment is nobody does digital green better than Fuji, just saying. Nikon is better than Canon or Sony IMHO (flame-suit donned), but Fuji is top of the heap for accurate greens and blues. That is huge for landscape shooters.

As for detail, I even have to say the XT5 butts heads with Nikon Fx 45mp sensors, even when looking at DoF rendering. The XTrans sensor is more similar to Nikon’s Z8/9 BSI than the Z7/7ii, also a good thing.

But it’s not the 100 sensor. Not by a pretty significant margin. There is a clarity of detail in the 100 mp sensor that is undeniable. The 100 file also withstands a bit more pushing around. I assume it could be as simple as size matters. I will try and take a few comparable images and post them for comparison.

All that said, while I’m not blown away by the XT5, I am happily impressed. I will add that I definitely prefer the ergonomics of the GFXx100s, yet the XT5 does a credible job of keeping a somewhat similar button layout and UI; admittedly the XT5 is still smaller in my extra large paws than I’d prefer, but remains quite usable overall. For now it definitely stays as a travel/casual camera. Stay tuned.



Apr 26, 2024 at 07:09 PM
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gear-nut wrote:
the XT5 does a credible job of keeping a somewhat similar button layout and UI; admittedly the XT5 is still smaller in my extra large paws than I’d prefer, but remains quite usable overall. For now it definitely stays as a travel/casual camera. Stay tuned.

You can match the XT5 controls to the 100s pretty easily. I got the Small Rig L-bracket and grip for my as soon as I bought it. Much easier for XL hands to grip.



Apr 26, 2024 at 09:05 PM
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OP - If you got the funds, then try it yourself. Trust me you will love it. Life is too short. I am glad I picked up GFX50s 6+ years ago. It made me happy shooting with it. So that $$ that I spent (GFX 50s and 110mm f2) was all worth for me.


Apr 28, 2024 at 10:16 AM
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Let me start by saying that this might be one of the longest threads in history, at least that I have read over a relatively short period of time…anyway, I shoot with three cameras, XT5, Z7 and 100s, purely a hobby for me. The XT5 is my go everywhere and travel camera, although the Z7 is pretty small and travel friendly when paired with lighter lenses. My 100s is my serious landscape or shooting with a purpose camera, the quality is unmatched. My Z7 is the camera that I cannot bring myself to sell camera, i.e.,it would make my life simpler by selling the XT5, 100s and lenses, consolidate to the Z system. I could puck up a ZF to scratch that retro itch even though the ZF is about the same weight as the Z7.

Is the XT5 good enough for landscapes? Yes, 100%, it does everything well aside from moving subjects/BIF (usable). Is it worth going to the 100s for landscape or photography with a purpose? Depends: the 100s will deliver the best quality images that have tremendous room in post eliminating most exposure bracketing needs, but it will require more focus bracketing., and there is a weight/bulk/cost penalty. If you’re doing this for a living selling fine art, 100% worth it, if this a hobby, you have the budget and love quality images, 100% worth it. Hobby, stretching your budget, maybe…I don’t know where you fit in here, but only you know and can decide.

At the end of the day, the 100s won’t make you a better photographer or capture better scenes and there is a weight / bulk/cost penalty, but those images are damn good which makes it worth it to me, at least to date I am now at the point where I want simplicity, which might prompt me to consolidate to the Z system or something completely new like the SL3.

Good luck, let us know what you decide.

Rod






Apr 28, 2024 at 10:18 AM
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p.8 #5 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


I have a little more to add after performing an experiment. I recently assembled a small XT5 kit, so had an opportunity to do a "print" comparison between the GFX100s with 32-64 zoom and XT5 with 16-55 zoom.

I shot the GFX at f8 and the XT5 at f5.6 to keep DoF approximately similar without introducing excessive diffraction. I output the file from C1, each at full size with same processing treatment into PS. In PS, I sized both to a 20" tall landscape print. This requires a minor down-size of the GFX file and a more significant up-size from the XT5 file. I then was able to compare them side-by-side at the same net print size.

My first comment is I was actually quite impressed with how well the XT5 up-rezzed -- so good it was difficult to tell I had done it(!) In comparing directly to the GFX file, the differences were admittedly pretty minor. Yes the GFX showed smoother tonality and more micro-edge detail on leaves and twigs, but I basically had my reading cheaters on and was viewing the 20" prints from about a 16" distance. If I was standing back 3 or 4 feet, the difference would probably be very minor to undetectable.

I repeated the experiment with a 24" tall print, which is about at the GFX native resolution if you print out at 360PPI for an Epson printer as I do. Here the difference was more visible, but the XT5 still held up impressively well, especially considering it needs a pretty healthy up-rez to get there, almost 2x linear. If I were 6 feet away from these, I might be able to tell which was which, but probably not. At 2 or 3 feet, the differences will probably be visible to most photographers, but still subtle enough that they probably won't be to most casual observers.

Edit: In reviewing the "print" images, I found a multi-stranded spider web about 40 feet from the camera toward the left edge of the frames -- this was in sunlight so well lit against a medium toned background, so good medium contrast separating the web out. It was visible in both raw files at 100%, but I could clearly see the individual strands in the GFX image at 100%, and only discern there was a spider web in the XT5 image at 100%. In the print images, the web was pretty small in the 20" print, but with my nose in the print I could still discern the individual strands in the GFX image, yet could only tell "there was something there" in the XT5 print. At 40", the GFX print still pretty clearly rendered the individual strands, the XT5 print did not, in fact the web itself was so indistinct it was barely visible and only because I knew where to look. I add this comment simply to give some relevance to the detail differences between the files -- and clearly this is detail at the extreme limits.

Conclusion. If you regularly print to 20 inches off the small side of the frame, the gains from the 100MP sensor will be visible but marginal. If you regularly print smaller than 20" and only occasionally up to 24", then the 100MP benefits probably will not, or perhaps just barely, justify their expense. The GFX files however hold up extremely well with an up-rez to a 40" short side print at the same 360PPI, again so well you can't really tell it's even been done. Hence, if you're printing to 24" or more on a regular basis, the 100MP kit will earn its keep fairly easily...

Hope this helps.



Apr 28, 2024 at 04:14 PM
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p.8 #6 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


gear-nut wrote:
I have a little more to add after performing an experiment. I recently assembled a small XT5 kit, so had an opportunity to do a "print" comparison between the GFX100s with 32-64 zoom and XT5 with 16-55 zoom.

I was thinking of something similar, not surprised by your findings. I would also think that it is possible to see differences on screen in the right conditions without magnification. I've noticed that if atmospheric condition allow, the Gfx just goes a little deeper into the detail. Like on a landscape with miles of visibility and small details, it uncanny how the depth of the field just keeps going. I suppose some might call that "medium format look". But the average passer by probably wouldn't notice.



Apr 28, 2024 at 11:05 PM
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Indeed there is something that exists in most of my GFX files that doesn’t exist in Fx or APSc files. Call it a depth, a smoother color tonality, or a more nuanced DR, more micro-detail or better micro-contrast, but it’s definitely there if only subtly in some files.

I chased my grandkids around on Easter morning with my GFX and 45-100 zoom (using tracking and eye detection, which worked surprisingly well). The next morning I edited and group shared a handfull of 2048 pixel jpegs from those files. My youngest immediately fired back that my “big camera” did such an amazingly better job than our phones do!

SGinNorcal wrote:
I was thinking of something similar, not surprised by your findings. I would also think that it is possible to see differences on screen in the right conditions without magnification. I've noticed that if atmospheric condition allow, the Gfx just goes a little deeper into the detail. Like on a landscape with miles of visibility and small details, it uncanny how the depth of the field just keeps going. I suppose some might call that "medium format look". But the average passer by probably wouldn't notice.




Apr 29, 2024 at 09:00 AM
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p.8 #8 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


gear-nut wrote:
I have a little more to add after performing an experiment. I recently assembled a small XT5 kit, so had an opportunity to do a "print" comparison between the GFX100s with 32-64 zoom and XT5 with 16-55 zoom.

I shot the GFX at f8 and the XT5 at f5.6 to keep DoF approximately similar without introducing excessive diffraction. I output the file from C1, each at full size with same processing treatment into PS. In PS, I sized both to a 20" tall landscape print. This requires a minor down-size of the GFX file and a more significant up-size from
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I want to try XT-5 and some comparisons with my GFX. I mostly shoot models and I like what GFX can do. This is my old GFX50s with 110mm f2. From a few shots that I looked when XT-5 was released, I was not impressed but I didn't get a chance to do side by side myself.

20180301_Model_9604 by Vishi A, on Flickr

Model_Mya_3086 by Vishi A, on Flickr



Apr 29, 2024 at 10:03 PM
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gear-nut wrote:
Conclusion. If you regularly print to 20 inches off the small side of the frame, the gains from the 100MP sensor will be visible but marginal. If you regularly print smaller than 20" and only occasionally up to 24", then the 100MP benefits probably will not, or perhaps just barely, justify their expense. The GFX files however hold up extremely well with an up-rez to a 40" short side print at the same 360PPI, again so well you can't really tell it's even been done. Hence, if you're printing to 24" or more on a regular basis, the 100MP kit
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Posts like this are exactly why I'm so glad that I'm spending more time on the FM forums these days. Thank you for doing this detailed work and for sharing your findings. It's incredibly helpful as I work toward finalizing my decision!



May 15, 2024 at 03:19 PM
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