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I import all my shots via OMW and I have to admit I have never thought it did anything to the HHHR shots with respect to sharpening. I use LR and find they still need special sharpening to make them comparable in apparent sharpness to standard shots.

I think SpecFotos' proclamation about Panasonic/OM "incompatibilities" is totally hyperbolic. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Panasonic lens if they had what I wanted. I have thought many times about getting the 50-200mm and the thought of non sync IS with OM would certainly not put me off.

Re the Sony A6700 (a very nice camera by all accounts), how is that kit "much smaller" than the OM kit? What about the Pany 9mm f1.7, 12-40mm f2.8, and 56/1.4? I can't see that being "much" bigger than the A6700 kit, with arguably a better spread of focal lengths too. Sometimes enthusiasm for new gear takes over. Perhaps you are in the "honeymoon period" of ownership, which will probably pass.



Apr 04, 2024 at 09:28 AM
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I have been shooting with Olympus M4/3 since 2012 and have a full kit of lenses (except for the 300 f4 and 150-400 f4.5). Added a FF Sony in 2018 and now have a full range of primes and 3 zooms. Really, way more lenses than I need for either system, but hey so what….it’s what I enjoy!

Olympus has always had better built cameras with great weather sealing, the best in class IBIS, so many unique computational features and overall a solid design (EM1’s and now OM-1’s). Sony’s weather sealing was pretty bad in comparison and until recently with the
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I have a ton of both Olympus and Panasonic lenses that I’ve used Olympus cameras and never had an issue.



Apr 04, 2024 at 09:35 AM
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Frogfish wrote:
Just a minor correction. Yes the 16-35/4 PZ is a superb lens (I have it and love it) but's it's like a 16-53mm (APSC and 26mp) rather than 70mm so you're losing quite a bit more vs the 12-45 (effective 24-90) on the long end but gaining on the wide end as you said. Pick your poison


I was thinking of a 2x crop capability in post that still yields a 14mp file, plenty for viewing on a 5k monitor or printing on glossy AL



Apr 04, 2024 at 10:49 AM
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I have been shooting with Olympus M4/3 since 2012 and have a full kit of mostly primes with a few zoom lenses (except for the 300 f4 and 150-400 f4.5). Added a FF Sony in 2018 and now have a full range of primes and 3 zooms. Really, way more lenses than I need for either system, but hey so what….it’s what I enjoy!

Olympus has always had better built cameras with great weather sealing, the best in class IBIS, so many unique computational features and overall a solid design (EM1’s and now OM-1’s). Sony’s weather sealing was pretty bad in
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I considered the 6700 (owned the 6000 when it came out) but according to photons to photos, the only DR advantage is at the respective 6700 and OM base ISOs (100 vs 200) . If the base ISO has to increase, the DR is virtually the same. That is why I figured the CR would have the most noticeable improvement in IQ.

Another issue for me with APS-C zooms is 18 is not wide enough .. I use 24 often and there are times where there is no room to move back so I have to do a lens swap. I owned the E16-55 with my 6000 and for me, havig a 17oz lens on a compact body is a mis-match

The 15G has good reviews as does the E11.

I had all the batis primes and while I liked the IQ and weight, felt they took up too much room in a camera bag ... so I switched to the Sigma i series and was happy with the IQ and rendering but my preference is a "standard" zoom so i am not swapping lenses. I have considered a kit of the CR with the E11, 24G and 50G. With a 2x crop in post, ex(the 24 is a 24-50) I have 16-100 @ 2.8 or faster. All these primes are light and small to carry . total weight is 18oz. 14mp is plenty for my needs. I often crop with MFT and end up with 10-14mp

AF accuracy and speed is a lower priority for me .. most everything I shoot, other then water, is static. I would be very happy with compact MF lenses with great IQ .. had some of the voigtlanders for e-mount .. but they are larger and heavy then desired on both e-mount and MFT. I have not investigated the legacy pancake Leica and voigtlanders that take adapters

Clearly I am picky and fortunately there are so many good options to consider and find what works best for me personally .. some of which is objective and some subjective.

I am the same way with my backpacking gear



Apr 04, 2024 at 11:10 AM
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Firstly note I didn't reference ISO in the statement you quoted, or indeed in the whole of my post.

To clarify some basics, because it can be really confusing for some, and why f1.2 is f1.2 on all formats (light transmission - regardless of sensor size's effect on ISO and the other influences aside from aperture, e.g. degradation of signal from sensor to chip and in camera processing).

You obviously know this but, for other readers that may not :

To simplify (I hope!) on the light gathering ability of any lens comparing FF to M43: if you have a small swimming
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You have made some good points!
1) I agree that (in real life usage!) with "Sony FF cameras (100 ISO) and OM1 (200 ISO) we are getting roughly the same exposure with a f1.2" aperture (or at any other given F number).
2) Regarding "I'd compare shooting with the OM1 more akin to film" - this is my feeling as well. Shooting with the OM1 II feels very different from shooting with my Sony A1. In recent posts on the Sony forum, two users professed at being "a pixel-whore" (https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1852879), and this is one of the reasons why the top FF cameras with the best glass are highly addictive, and their owners are willing to spend tens of thousands dollars in pursuit of the ultimate image quality at 400% magnification. Bird pictures from the best Sony wild-life shooters, using the best glass, make some of the birds I see on the MFT forum look soft (to me).
This brings another point from your earlier post:
3) "I first bought the OM1 and a few Oly lenses because I wanted the computational features (esp. ND filters, Composite RAWs, Starry Night), a lower weight kit for hiking and for the insanely good IBIS (which massively lowers shutters speeds and ISO and therefore retains DR)
These are mostly my reasons for adding OM-1 II (and keeping the camera).
To put this simply, I see OM-1 II as complimentary to my Sony kit. I believe that neither system can fully replace the other, and should not be approached as either/or, or as competing with each other.
My no. 1 reason to have OM-1 II is "the insanely good IBIS." My main (general) settings saved to C1 have ISO-A Lowest S/S set to 2s (this means that ISO will begin to rise only when the SS becomes longer that 2s. I like this setting, by the way - very useful on a camera like OM-1 II. With My A1, I cannot do hand-held shooting with SS longer than 1/3 - 1/5 s. Also, the computational options that work to produce in-camera raw files (8-shot hand-held hi-res is the important one) are not available from Sony cameras. In general, Sony makes outstanding cameras and lenses, but their camera software is sadly lagging behind of what is available in OM-1 II.
There is much more that can be said along the above lines ... we may have another opportunity!



Apr 04, 2024 at 11:26 AM
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offtraildog wrote:
I considered the 6700 (owned the 6000 when it came out) but according to photons to photos, the only DR advantage is at the respective 6700 and OM base ISOs (100 vs 200) . If the base ISO has to increase, the DR is virtually the same. That is why I figured the CR would have the most noticeable improvement in IQ.

Another issue for me with APS-C zooms is 18 is not wide enough .. I use 24 often and there are times where there is no room to move back so I have to do a lens swap. I
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I’ve tried the Sony APS-C cameras and to me they’re just about the worst ergonomically designed cameras around. One reason I like Olympus so much is because they’re a pleasure to hold (speaking of the EM-1 and OM-1 lines). They could put a 150-mp sensor in those Sonys and I still wouldn’t touch them.



Apr 04, 2024 at 11:30 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I’ve tried the Sony APS-C cameras and to me they’re just about the worst ergonomically designed cameras around. One reason I like Olympus so much is because they’re a pleasure to hold (speaking of the EM-1 and OM-1 lines). They could put a 150-mp sensor in those Sonys and I still wouldn’t touch them.


The OM-1 EVF is great, the control wheel with C1-C4, joystick, button feel and placement. Love the SCP .. at one glance, I can see all my relevent settings prior to raising the camera to my eye. I have been trying the handheld assist feature when shooting low low or HHHR.

The OM-5 EVF is almost comparable to the 6700 (.68x vs .71x) . I really wish OM had updated the OM-5 more .. then I would not hesitate to get one.

Owning both the OM-1 and OM-5 seems redundant (though I would liek the 6oz weight savings when hiking) and since they do not share the same menu system, a PITA to manage. Ideally, they share the same menu/OS and I could copy my settings from the app from one body to the other.



Apr 04, 2024 at 11:47 AM
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offtraildog wrote:
You are clearly a much better photographer then I am Love your colors and saturation - not overdone
Curious which PP software you use and if you process the HHHR raw in OMW first and then export or ?
Thanks



Most are JPG straight out of camera. Natural profile, highlights -1, shadows +1, saturation +1

If I do color edits it is typically Lightroom which is not the best at extracting detail from high-res files but convenient to my workflow and archiving.



Apr 04, 2024 at 02:07 PM
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MEDISN wrote:
Most are JPG straight out of camera. Natural profile, highlights -1, shadows +1, saturation +1

If I do color edits it is typically Lightroom which is not the best at extracting detail from high-res files but convenient to my workflow and archiving.


Thanks .. I have been shooting RAW only. C1 does a great job with the OM files.

interesting that my OM-1 only has Sharpness, Contrast, Saturation, and Gradation as options to adjust for Natural



Apr 04, 2024 at 03:04 PM
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offtraildog wrote:
interesting that my OM-1 only has Sharpness, Contrast, Saturation, and Gradation as options to adjust for Natural


Those are the basic settings to choose from BEFORE you shoot. If you shoot in RAW (or RAW+JPG), you can edit the raw in camera with far more control.

Check out this demonstration:

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The camera can remember up to two different "Custom" profiles for generating JPG's. Really handy. I use one for Landscapes/HR, and the other for Sports.



Apr 05, 2024 at 08:54 AM
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All of the above is leading up to this; Looking forward, I now feel that Sony is the best option for a smaller compact kit, either APS-C or FF. Liking the A6700 as much as I do, I ordered this week a A7CR and plan to use it with my G/GM/Batis lenses, and for a lighter weight prime option, the Sigma I series of f2 and f2.8 primes. The C-AF and Subject Detection is much better than my OM-1, the IBIS is now up to 7 stops and there are a whole range of excellent smaller and fast primes/zooms by
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A three points worth mentioning here.

No doubt about the quality of the Sony A6000 line (I have an A6000 converted for IR and for that it's perfect. Not used that often but tiny and I can stash it in the bag with the small but superb APSC Sony 10-20 G lens).

However as my main camera everything from handholding to actual use is a PITA because of the tiny buttons and levers. The FF Sony A7CR is barely any larger so I am sure would feel the same to me.



Contrast with the OM1 (a substantial downsize from my A7r5 for me) which I am finding just about perfect in ergonomics and for handholding. However there is barely a weight difference between them (84g) :



Weather Sealing
Far too much is made of this. For decades there wasn't such a thing and when I started shooting nothing was weather sealed! I've never lost a lens/camera to water ingress despite shooting in everything from Rainforests to Monsoons (I currently live in China). If you are of a rather more nervous disposition then use the excellent PD camera shell or just the Optek rain covers, both do the same job though I very rarely shoot in a downpour anyway and have used the PD twice and Optek just on one trip (for waterfalls in Iceland).
For serious work in extreme conditions you'd be using Oly or Pana Pro lenses and the WR in the Olympus cameras beats the pants off of my Sonys (and it's the lens/camera combination that is important).

Age of Lens Selection
Yep no doubt some of these lenses in the Oly/Pana lineup are aging. However they are so good and so sharp (and tiny) that there isn't a whole lot to be gained bar an improved front element coating for better control flare and CA (neither of which are a major issue anyway in most cases).
The upside is that this means there is a huge number of lenses on the market for many of them that can be bought at far lower prices than most of those in the FF camera lineups. Giving more access and more choice to more people.

IBIS
Although FF camera's IS has improved substantially it's still far inferior to that in M43 cameras. And I mean far. I don't care what Sony claim. In head to head testing between my A7r5 and OM1 there is literally no competition. Using the 17mm Oly I can easily handhold down to 3-4 secs for blurred movement but sharp BGs (I do this virtually every week), my best attempt was 18 secs handheld still having a readable BG (signage in a metro station), though that after about 20 attempts. I know with the Sony A7r5 around ½ second is the very best possible for a sharp image.







Apr 07, 2024 at 12:39 AM
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Ergonomics and feel are subjective and people have different experiences and wants

Having owned several Sony bodies (in order ... Nex-5, a6000, Rx100IV, RX100VI, A7R2, A7R3, A7R4, A7C, RX100VI, A74, A7R5) and 38 e-mount lenses, I am starting to figure things out for me

Part of my challenge has been moderating the desire for the highest IQ possible, balanced with ergonomics, size, weight and convenience of use (balance of zooms and primes I carry). This thread has helped me reach some conclusions.

I really enjoy the ergonomics of the OM-1. Plus the multitude of compact, lightweight zooms and primes give me the ability to create a kit size I am really happy with. I reviewed the OM-1 images from my last 4 Intl trips on my 65" OLED 4K HDR and they look great.

So, I just bought the Oly 12-45/4 and Panasonic 35-100/4-5.6 ...

My hiking kit will be the PL9/1.7, 12-45/4 (on camera) and the 35-100. FF 18-200mm range. Total lens weight of all three is 19.1oz and the heaviest lens on the camera is 9oz. Depending on the hike, I can leave the 35-100 at home/hotel

Not ready to "down-grade" to the OM-5 (my perspective) from the OM-1 to save 6 oz and some size.

I still need to decide if I leave my 12-40/2.8 Pro II home or take it along for use in towns and cities where having f2.8 is useful. I will take it on my trip in May and then determine if it was useful before my trip in July




Apr 07, 2024 at 10:51 AM
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This is in response to "I now feel that Sony is the best option for a smaller compact kit, either APS-C or FF. Liking the A6700 as much as I do, I ordered this week a A7CR and plan to use it with my G/GM/Batis lenses, and for a lighter weight prime option, the Sigma I series of f2 and f2.8 primes." from @SpecFoto.

There are different ways how FMers feel passionate about photography; e.g., some are collecting lenses with mythical rendering. Others are pursuing ever smaller and lighter camera and lens kits.
It is true that Sony has very recently developed a line of compact and light camera&lens FF systems. Also Sigma and Tamron are an important part of this development (and several other third-party lens companies). Thus, I tend to agree with @SpecFoto: the Sony "ecosystem" is an attractive place to be for those who want the smallest and lightest possible modern and advanced lenses and cameras in the wide-to-normal-to-short telephoto range.
Cropped sensors still have some weight (but little size) advantage over the FF systems when it comes to the long telephoto lenses. However, even that may not be dramatic. For example, my A1 with the 200-600mm lens weigh 2,985 g (my measurement, without the lens hood and the foot, as I shoot handheld). The data from the Internet suggest that if I buy the M.Zuiko 150-400 lens for my OM-1, the system should weigh 2,475 g (without the lens cap and hood) - perhaps near 2,400 g without the foot. Is the 600 g difference significant? Yes, but the MFT telephoto is still a heavy lens, and it is as long as the Sony lens (314.3mm vs. 318.0mm). Thus, the size and weight may or may not be the reason to buy the 150-400 and OM-1 vs the 200-600 and A1. One must certainly investigate the image quality, AF performance, etc.

@Frogfish noted above: "Age of Lens Selection: Yep no doubt some of these lenses in the Oly/Pana lineup are aging." This is indeed a problem, in different ways. Anyone who finds pleasure in GAS should rejoice in the Sony ecosystem where there is a constant flow of more and more new lenses produced by multiple manufacturers. The new lenses in the Sony ecosystem are not just sharp. There is a strong push to optical perfection in other aspects. For example, the 35mm F1.4 and M.Zuiko 17mm F1.2 cost similarly (the MSRP is CA $1,800 - 1,900). My copy of the 17mm lens has a strong barrel distortion (Lenstips measured this to be −3.46%, vs. the slight distortion of the Sony lens, +0.73%). Lateral CA from the 17 mm F1.2 looks very disturbing to me, whereas, to quote from Lenstips, the 35mm F1.2 GM "fares sensationally well. In the whole range of relative apertures you deal with results of 0.02%, so a level that is completely imperceptible in real life photos." There is no doubt that the 17mm F1.2 is a useful lens; it just not worth CA $1,800 when compared to the Sony 35 F1.4 GM. It is not worth even the CA $1,500 I paid for my copy of the 17mm lens when it was on sale recently.
Another problem with the MFT lens development vs that for the FF Sony system is the lack of original and innovative lens design. The two FF lenses that I have used most recently are the Tamron 35-150 F2.0-2.8 and 50-400 F4.5-6.3. If there had been an MFT 17-75 mm F2.8 (even better 14-100 F2.8), or 25-200 F2.8-3.3 lens, I would have purchased them now, regardless of their size and weight. I wish Tamron continued making MFT lenses.

I am not interested in the Sony APS-C cameras. They just don't make practical sense to me. The FF Sony A7RV can be switched to a 24MP APS-C mode at a push of a button. One must badly (and unreasonably, in my opinion) want the smallest and lightest camera system, to buy A6700. The meagre 5.0 stops of IBIS on A6700 is not inspiring (unlike the 8.5 stops of my OM-1 II).

At the end, I can only repeat something I already said in this thread that the Olympus/OM System and Sony FF system seem complimentary, to me. One is better than the other in some ways, and both have certain advantages in some ways. The key to a successful and enjoyable use of these systems is in knowing what they can do best. I am still learning my ways with the OM-1 II and the two lenses in my hands (12-40 F2.8, 17 F1.2) and trying to figure it out what lenses I may want to add (the 40-150 F2.8 and 90 F3.5 seem to be worth adding).



Apr 07, 2024 at 11:52 AM
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My broken record repeats: It's all about the lenses. I choose the lens that interests me and then get the camera that fit the lens.

I've always been impressed by MFT lenses. The Oly 40-150 is totally unique and has no real equivalent in FF or APS-C. For me, it isn't about the size of this lens compared to another single lens. It's about the range this lens covers which lets me carry just his one lens on occasions when one camera and lens is all I can carry. The Pana-Leica 8-18mm is silly good. It's small, weather sealed, internal(-ish) zooming and fits regular filters. The size on this one is meaningful to me. It is half the weight of the Sony 16-35 GM (orig). The newer Mark II GM narrowed the weight difference but it is still significantly heavier than the 8-18 and the cost difference is 2x.

Sony E-mount is becoming the dominant market force which is great. Lens choices for E-mount are incredible. But well chosen MFT lenses can achieve remarkable results.



Apr 07, 2024 at 01:02 PM
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My broken record repeats: It's all about the lenses. I choose the lens that interests me and then get the camera that fit the lens.

I've always been impressed by MFT lenses. The Oly 40-150 is totally unique and has no real equivalent in FF or APS-C. For me, it isn't about the size of this lens compared to another single lens. It's about the range this lens covers which lets me carry just his one lens on occasions when one camera and lens is all I can carry. The Pana-Leica 8-18mm is silly good. It's small, weather sealed, internal(-ish) zooming
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I have the 40-150/4 and love it for the IQ and size. Easy to carry on a local hike




Apr 07, 2024 at 01:46 PM
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@Frogfish@ noted above: "Age of Lens Selection: Yep no doubt some of these lenses in the Oly/Pana lineup are aging." This is indeed a problem, in different ways. Anyone who finds pleasure in GAS should rejoice in the Sony ecosystem where there is a constant flow of more and more new lenses produced by multiple manufacturers. The new lenses in the Sony ecosystem are not just sharp. There is a strong push to optical perfection in other aspects. For example, the 35mm F1.4 and M.Zuiko 17mm F1.2 cost similarly (the MSRP is CA $1,800 - 1,900). My copy of the
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I thought this an interesting take, not that I wholeheartedly agree, but with so many lenses in the Sony eco-system (400?) now there will obviously be innovation and interesting designs. The question being how much does that affect the middle 80% of photographers. And to answer that - not much.

Only 10% are going to be interested in buying hugely expensive cameras and lenses (fast teles, super expensive primes e.g. Otus or Coastal Optics) or video centric lenses such as those from Sirui etc. Maybe another 10% will only ever be interested in cheap lenses, for numerous reasons inc. photography isn't that important to them. Personally I have no interest in ridiculously heavy lenses (Tamron 35-150 F2.0-2.8 and 50-400 F4.5-6.3) so those aren't of any interest but obviously others value them.

I'm not sure just picking out one lens (17/1.2 Pro) proves too much other than the Pro lens are overpriced. There are no perfect lenses (until a $250 125g FF 35/1.2 with zero imperfections and ultra sharp at f1.2, hits the market). BTW the list price of the Sony 35/1.4 GM is roughly 50% more than the Oly 17/1.2 Pro (and on the Used market ca. £500 compared to £750). It's substantially heavier (529g vs 390g) and it's (although a fantastic lens) a f1.4 vs a f1.2 lens. If any of that matters to the buyer.

So the middle 80%? Well I was watching a Pat Kay video (1 year old) and he was looking at the best 10 lenses on the DxOMark ratings : 2 are 11 years old, 1 x 10 years old, 2 x 9 years old, 1 x 7 years old and 2 x 5 years old. I found that amazing. Weirdly all from 55mm to 85mm. The newest was the 2021 $350 Yongnuo 85/1.8 which amazingly came in 3rd - ahead of the 55mm Otus!

In the end though (and the reason I've added M43 to my Sonys) the only valid question is "are there enough lenses with great IQ to meet your requirements"? For me that's a 'yes there are', I don't need a 400 lenses catalogue when I only need 5-8 high quality lenses and they are all there in this M43 format.

Ditto Sony (I have sold a few but still have 13 lenses remaining), I'll sell off some more but I only really need, and use 95% of the time, 4-5 lenses.



Apr 08, 2024 at 02:28 AM
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Many new lens designs are leveraging the ever improving high ISO performance of the latest sensors. The Sigma 500mm f/5.6 is a nice example. I've been waiting, apparently in vain, for an E-mount 500 f/4. Clearly Sigma believes more photographers are willing to buy a $3000 f/5.6 lens than a $6000 f/4 lens. This comes down to a "good" versus "good enough" decision. For the vast majority of people a 500 f5.6 is more than good enough.

Arguments about equivalence aside, it is interesting that the latest full frame lenses are actually closer to being "equivalent" to some of the existing MFT optics. This new sigma should offer results quite similar to the Pana-Leica 200mm f/2.8. The dimensions are also quite similar.

MFT top-of-the-line lenses are more financially accessible compared to top-of-the-line first party FF lenses. You can buy the MFT "holy trinity" zooms from either OM or Lumix for less than half what the first party full frame f/2.8 zooms would cost. But with Tamron's f/2.8 17-28/28-75/70-180 set or Sony's f/4 zooms, you can build an excellent full frame kit for about the same money and size as the top-end MFT kit. When cost and size are removed from the equation, it is much less clear which way to go.



Apr 08, 2024 at 11:49 AM
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From the time I started using my OM-1, I have wondered about the "equivalence."
There are different aspects of this.
For example, is this reasonable to expect that the Sigma 500mm f/5.6 "should offer results quite similar to the Pana-Leica 200mm f/2.8"?
When FF and MFT photos are viewed on a monitor, these are scaled vertically to fill the display from the top to the bottom edge. Thus, the MFT images appear cropped from the sides vs. the FF images.
The vertical crop factor, if I am not mistaken, is 24mm/13mm = 1.85.
Then, a 200mm MFT lens is going to look like a 370 mm FF image when framed the same vertically.
I believe that with many wildlife subjects (e.g. birds) it is the framing along the vertical that is more important than angle of view (unless one is photographing snakes or alligators😁.
Am I wrong?



Apr 08, 2024 at 12:48 PM
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jeffbuzz wrote:
Arguments about equivalence aside, it is interesting that the latest full frame lenses are actually closer to being "equivalent" to some of the existing MFT optics. This new sigma should offer results quite similar to the Pana-Leica 200mm f/2.8. The dimensions are also quite similar.



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jeffbuzz wrote:
MFT top-of-the-line lenses are more financially accessible compared to top-of-the-line first party FF lenses. You can buy the MFT "holy trinity" zooms from either OM or Lumix for less than half what the first party full frame f/2.8 zooms would cost. But with Tamron's f/2.8 17-28/28-75/70-180 set or Sony's f/4 zooms, you can build an excellent full frame kit for about the same money and size as the top-end MFT kit. When cost and size are removed from the equation, it is much less clear which way to go.


Cost and size are fairly large determinants for most users. I have plenty of excellent large gear that does not get carried nearly as often as M43.



Apr 08, 2024 at 05:44 PM
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p.3 #20 · Sony FF owners who also own a Oly/OM


Dipped a toe into the m4/3 waters with an OM-1 100-400 for kayaking/hiking/lightweight compact carry.


Was looking out of the living room window and spotted a bald eagle getting harassed by some crows. Normally wouldn't shoot them from such a distance and in the rain but there's a visible iq difference between the OM-1 at 400mm and the A7RV 200-600 at 600mm in crop mode.

Unfair fight in a way as I paid less for the OM-1 and the 100-400 than just the body of the Sony. I need to try the 300F4 or the 150-400 Pro to make it a fair fight but I'm not sure I want to start accumulating the bigger, faster more $$$ m4/3 glass just yet.

I'd post pics but they aren't all that great. Just a non-scientific random comparison in lousy conditions.

Size comparison for fun.














Apr 08, 2024 at 07:06 PM
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