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p.10 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
nhsonyshooter wrote:
So it's only been a couple days I have been using mine. As mentioned this is my first Fuji camera. I'm on the fence right now. Things I like and things I don't like and don't really understand are even an issue in 2024. My question is all i ever hear from Fuji users is how they get updates and Sony is not as good at that. Sadly I see why now and I'm not sure that is something to brag about. Meaning to me Sony flushes out more of the bugs before releasing and seems more polished over all....Show more →
NOTE: This won’t be short. If you only read short posts, just move on. It isn’t for you.
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Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.
So it's only been a couple days I have been using mine. As mentioned this is my first Fuji camera. I'm on the fence right now. Things I like and things I don't like and don't really understand are even an issue in 2024. My question is all i ever hear from Fuji users is how they get updates and Sony is not as good at that. Sadly I see why now and I'm not sure that is something to brag about. Meaning to me Sony flushes out more of the bugs before releasing and seems more polished over all....Show more →
NOTE: This won’t be short. If you only read short posts, just move on. It isn’t for you.
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Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.
Mar 10, 2024 at 09:52 AM
p.10 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Lee Zavitz is one of my favourite youtube reviewers/photographers because my style is similar to his. He seems to be more than fine with the eye-AF tracking.
I haven't received mine yet but just in case the AF-C is sluggish (my A6700 + Touit 32/1.8 is like this) my fallback position is to apply Topaz AI. Hopefully I won't have to use it maybe on challenging lighting situations i.e. subject is heavily back or side lit by the sun.
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I haven't received mine yet but just in case the AF-C is sluggish (my A6700 + Touit 32/1.8 is like this) my fallback position is to apply Topaz AI. Hopefully I won't have to use it maybe on challenging lighting situations i.e. subject is heavily back or side lit by the sun.
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Mar 10, 2024 at 10:05 AM
p.10 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
gdanmitchell wrote:
NOTE: This won’t be short. If you only read short posts, just move on. It isn’t for you.
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Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing...Show more →
Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious. But in a camera that is version 6 I guess my expectations are too high that quirky things would have been addressed by now. That being said some of these things certainly can be user error in set up. So I'm open to suggestions. I will not list all of them but here are a couple that are most annoying at the moment.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I have not been able to find it. When I look through the EVF the square stays green as long as I'm pressing the button. If I do the exact same thing but am looking at the LCD to compose the green square disappears which is annoying. Same goes for the sound of the shutter. I have that turned on and all the way up. It works every time when looking through the EVF but doesn't when using the LCD to compose a shot. I have been playing with the menu's and I'm guessing there might be a setting but I have not found it yet. I don't know why anyone would want to separate those 2 things between EVF and LCD personally.
Having the latest Sony body's again I guess I set my expectations too high when it comes to AF and things just working . It's usable here but again in a version 6 i expected better I guess. Especially with all the hype. I really like the sharpness and the sensor it self. Even the IBIS is very good. Really the things that so far are bugging me are related to the user experience/software side. Which I guess is catching me off guard as everyone on the planet says they buy this camera for the "user experience". Kinda funny that my concern coming in was more lens/sensor performance and that Ironically is what I like the most about the camera so far. I'll keep plugging away in the menu's I guess for now.
nhsonyshooter wrote
So it's only been a couple days I have been using mine. As mentioned this is my first Fuji camera. I'm on the fence right now. Things I like and things I don't like and don't really understand are even an issue in 2024. My question is all i ever hear from Fuji users is how they get updates and Sony is not as good at that. Sadly I see why now and I'm not sure that is something to brag about. Meaning to me Sony flushes out more of the bugs before releasing and seems more polished over all. I'm wondering if I am patient will Fuji produce updates to fix some of the clunkiness and AF. The AF motor concerns me alittle from a durability stand point. The way it pulses and sounds just does not instill confidence over the long haul. I don't know. Really torn because right now Sony doesn't off a smaller option that doesn't have a flip screen and that is a real deal killer for me personally. With demand still high I guess I'll give it more time. Heck I have not even received all my accessories yet.- - -
Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing...Show more →
Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious. But in a camera that is version 6 I guess my expectations are too high that quirky things would have been addressed by now. That being said some of these things certainly can be user error in set up. So I'm open to suggestions. I will not list all of them but here are a couple that are most annoying at the moment.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I have not been able to find it. When I look through the EVF the square stays green as long as I'm pressing the button. If I do the exact same thing but am looking at the LCD to compose the green square disappears which is annoying. Same goes for the sound of the shutter. I have that turned on and all the way up. It works every time when looking through the EVF but doesn't when using the LCD to compose a shot. I have been playing with the menu's and I'm guessing there might be a setting but I have not found it yet. I don't know why anyone would want to separate those 2 things between EVF and LCD personally.
Having the latest Sony body's again I guess I set my expectations too high when it comes to AF and things just working . It's usable here but again in a version 6 i expected better I guess. Especially with all the hype. I really like the sharpness and the sensor it self. Even the IBIS is very good. Really the things that so far are bugging me are related to the user experience/software side. Which I guess is catching me off guard as everyone on the planet says they buy this camera for the "user experience". Kinda funny that my concern coming in was more lens/sensor performance and that Ironically is what I like the most about the camera so far. I'll keep plugging away in the menu's I guess for now.
Mar 10, 2024 at 10:54 AM
p.10 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
nhsonyshooter wrote:
NOTE: This won’t be short. If you only read short posts, just move on. It isn’t for you.
- - -
Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious. But in a camera that is version 6 I guess my expectations are too high that quirky things would have been addressed by now. That being said some of these things certainly can be user error in set up. So I'm open to suggestions. I will not list all of them but here are a couple that are most annoying at the moment.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I...Show more →
Quite correct: “Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious.” (Well, except it’s “you’re”)
gdanmitchell wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
So it's only been a couple days I have been using mine. As mentioned this is my first Fuji camera. I'm on the fence right now. Things I like and things I don't like and don't really understand are even an issue in 2024. My question is all i ever hear from Fuji users is how they get updates and Sony is not as good at that. Sadly I see why now and I'm not sure that is something to brag about. Meaning to me Sony flushes out more of the bugs before releasing and seems more polished over all. I'm wondering if I am patient will Fuji produce updates to fix some of the clunkiness and AF. The AF motor concerns me alittle from a durability stand point. The way it pulses and sounds just does not instill confidence over the long haul. I don't know. Really torn because right now Sony doesn't off a smaller option that doesn't have a flip screen and that is a real deal killer for me personally. With demand still high I guess I'll give it more time. Heck I have not even received all my accessories yet.- - -
Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I...Show more →
Quite correct: “Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious.” (Well, except it’s “you’re”)
Mar 10, 2024 at 11:06 AM
p.10 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
johnvanr wrote:
NOTE: This won’t be short. If you only read short posts, just move on. It isn’t for you.
- - -
Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious. But in a camera that is version 6 I guess my expectations are too high that quirky things would have been addressed by now. That being said some of these things certainly can be user error in set up. So I'm open to suggestions. I will not list all of them but here are a couple that are most annoying at the moment.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I have not been able to find it. When I look through the EVF the square stays green as long as I'm pressing the button. If I do the exact same thing but am looking at the LCD to compose the green square disappears which is annoying. Same goes for the sound of the shutter. I have that turned on and all the way up. It works every time when looking through the EVF but doesn't when using the LCD to compose a shot. I have been playing with the menu's and I'm guessing there might be a setting but I have not found it yet. I don't know why anyone would want to separate those 2 things between EVF and LCD personally.
Having the latest Sony body's again I guess I set my expectations too high when it comes to AF and things just working . It's usable here but again in a version 6 i expected better I guess. Especially with all the hype. I really like the sharpness and the sensor it self. Even the IBIS is very good. Really the things that so far are bugging me are related to the user experience/software side. Which I guess is catching me off guard as everyone on the planet says they buy this camera for the "user experience". Kinda funny that my concern coming in was more lens/sensor performance and that Ironically is what I like the most about the camera so far. I'll keep plugging away in the menu's I guess for now.Quite correct: “Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious.” (Well, except it’s “you’re”)
Yeah. Have been dyslexic my whole life. I reread what I type to try to catch mistakes but still miss things from time to time. I don't worry about it anymore because there is always a smarter person in the room that will find my mistakes
nhsonyshooter wrote
gdanmitchell wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
So it's only been a couple days I have been using mine. As mentioned this is my first Fuji camera. I'm on the fence right now. Things I like and things I don't like and don't really understand are even an issue in 2024. My question is all i ever hear from Fuji users is how they get updates and Sony is not as good at that. Sadly I see why now and I'm not sure that is something to brag about. Meaning to me Sony flushes out more of the bugs before releasing and seems more polished over all. I'm wondering if I am patient will Fuji produce updates to fix some of the clunkiness and AF. The AF motor concerns me alittle from a durability stand point. The way it pulses and sounds just does not instill confidence over the long haul. I don't know. Really torn because right now Sony doesn't off a smaller option that doesn't have a flip screen and that is a real deal killer for me personally. With demand still high I guess I'll give it more time. Heck I have not even received all my accessories yet.- - -
Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I have not been able to find it. When I look through the EVF the square stays green as long as I'm pressing the button. If I do the exact same thing but am looking at the LCD to compose the green square disappears which is annoying. Same goes for the sound of the shutter. I have that turned on and all the way up. It works every time when looking through the EVF but doesn't when using the LCD to compose a shot. I have been playing with the menu's and I'm guessing there might be a setting but I have not found it yet. I don't know why anyone would want to separate those 2 things between EVF and LCD personally.
Having the latest Sony body's again I guess I set my expectations too high when it comes to AF and things just working . It's usable here but again in a version 6 i expected better I guess. Especially with all the hype. I really like the sharpness and the sensor it self. Even the IBIS is very good. Really the things that so far are bugging me are related to the user experience/software side. Which I guess is catching me off guard as everyone on the planet says they buy this camera for the "user experience". Kinda funny that my concern coming in was more lens/sensor performance and that Ironically is what I like the most about the camera so far. I'll keep plugging away in the menu's I guess for now.
Yeah. Have been dyslexic my whole life. I reread what I type to try to catch mistakes but still miss things from time to time. I don't worry about it anymore because there is always a smarter person in the room that will find my mistakes
Mar 10, 2024 at 11:16 AM
p.10 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I am more and more impressed with the 40MP sensor/lens combination plus the IBIS for landscape use. Amazing how far APS-C has come from the 20D/30D era when 8MP seemed enormous and 40MP was reserved for exotic medium format backs. By f/11 there seems to be quite a lot of diffraction softening due to the small pixels, but I'm sure there must be people who have worked out a good pre-sharpening routine from the XT5. For casual use f/5.6-f/8 seems quite solid without having to do much more than C1P diffraction mitigation (deconvolution sharpening) plus a bit of additional low radius sharpening.
Still not satisfied with the eye AF performance, but oddly the outcome of the last couple of days is that my better half is a big fan (particularly of the classic silver finish) and is supportive of picking one up just for us for casual/travel use on the assumption that the GFX system then stays home (not going to happen!).
Unfortunately I'm certain now that barring a Q2-like transformational midlife AF algorithm upgrade, the X100VI is not a good fit for the oldies I had in mind to present one to, who are not going to have the bandwidth to do things like use the zones and/or spray and then hunt through the memory card for a decently focused shot. There I'm now looking into an A7C II plus perhaps Sigma I 35 combination among others.
RoamingScott wrote:
I'm not gonna tell you how to shoot your X100, but if you use AF-S, you'll have a much better time. If you need a full time AF-C, eye-detecting camera, you should move on.
100% agreed.
I had another crack at eye AF today and concentrated on using the zones (like on my 100 II) but with even faster shutter speeds (1/640, 1/800 and so on) combined with narrower apertures (f/4+), and some spray and pray at 6 fps - with the greater sample size came more hits, but also of course more misses (which are the classic Fuji AF sort where it's kind of in the neighbourhood of the claimed focus point but not quite, a little front or back focused, although the green box confidently proclaimed that focus tracking was on the ball). It is starting to look to me that f/4 and narrower gives the compact lens with its older motor design juuuuust enough DOF leeway to hustle its little elements into the ballpark of focus most of the time...but the AF performance started to remind me more and more of the GF 63* throughout the day, which despite my loving the rendering I've retired from use with non-posing subjects, life is just too short. [* it is not as slow as the glacial GF 63 to be fair, but also doesn't perform as well]
In summary: maybe, kinda, sorta, halfway alright, in a pinch, for fast moving kids or people moving generally, if (a) you aren't looking too closely/aren't super demanding for tack sharp eye focus, and (b) you are a reasonably experienced photographer, and (c) who has the ability and is willing to devote some additional time and energy to anticipating the limitations of the AF algorithms and lens, and (d) who is willing to accept a bunch of culling for the (frequent) times where the algorithm/lens can't quite keep up even where the green box claims it has.
That's a whole lot of "ifs" and for me personally (c) is at odds with the idea of the X100VI as a straightforward fixed lens compact, which gets out of the way and lets me concentrate on making the images I want. I'll reserve suffering through Fuji's AF algorithms for my GFX system.
Still not satisfied with the eye AF performance, but oddly the outcome of the last couple of days is that my better half is a big fan (particularly of the classic silver finish) and is supportive of picking one up just for us for casual/travel use on the assumption that the GFX system then stays home (not going to happen!).
Unfortunately I'm certain now that barring a Q2-like transformational midlife AF algorithm upgrade, the X100VI is not a good fit for the oldies I had in mind to present one to, who are not going to have the bandwidth to do things like use the zones and/or spray and then hunt through the memory card for a decently focused shot. There I'm now looking into an A7C II plus perhaps Sigma I 35 combination among others.
RoamingScott wrote:
I'm not gonna tell you how to shoot your X100, but if you use AF-S, you'll have a much better time. If you need a full time AF-C, eye-detecting camera, you should move on.
100% agreed.
I had another crack at eye AF today and concentrated on using the zones (like on my 100 II) but with even faster shutter speeds (1/640, 1/800 and so on) combined with narrower apertures (f/4+), and some spray and pray at 6 fps - with the greater sample size came more hits, but also of course more misses (which are the classic Fuji AF sort where it's kind of in the neighbourhood of the claimed focus point but not quite, a little front or back focused, although the green box confidently proclaimed that focus tracking was on the ball). It is starting to look to me that f/4 and narrower gives the compact lens with its older motor design juuuuust enough DOF leeway to hustle its little elements into the ballpark of focus most of the time...but the AF performance started to remind me more and more of the GF 63* throughout the day, which despite my loving the rendering I've retired from use with non-posing subjects, life is just too short. [* it is not as slow as the glacial GF 63 to be fair, but also doesn't perform as well]
In summary: maybe, kinda, sorta, halfway alright, in a pinch, for fast moving kids or people moving generally, if (a) you aren't looking too closely/aren't super demanding for tack sharp eye focus, and (b) you are a reasonably experienced photographer, and (c) who has the ability and is willing to devote some additional time and energy to anticipating the limitations of the AF algorithms and lens, and (d) who is willing to accept a bunch of culling for the (frequent) times where the algorithm/lens can't quite keep up even where the green box claims it has.
That's a whole lot of "ifs" and for me personally (c) is at odds with the idea of the X100VI as a straightforward fixed lens compact, which gets out of the way and lets me concentrate on making the images I want. I'll reserve suffering through Fuji's AF algorithms for my GFX system.
Mar 10, 2024 at 11:26 AM
p.10 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
nhsonyshooter wrote:
NOTE: This won’t be short. If you only read short posts, just move on. It isn’t for you.
- - -
Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious. But in a camera that is version 6 I guess my expectations are too high that quirky things would have been addressed by now. That being said some of these things certainly can be user error in set up. So I'm open to suggestions. I will not list all of them but here are a couple that are most annoying at the moment.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I have not been able to find it. When I look through the EVF the square stays green as long as I'm pressing the button. If I do the exact same thing but am looking at the LCD to compose the green square disappears which is annoying. Same goes for the sound of the shutter. I have that turned on and all the way up. It works every time when looking through the EVF but doesn't when using the LCD to compose a shot. I have been playing with the menu's and I'm guessing there might be a setting but I have not found it yet. I don't know why anyone would want to separate those 2 things between EVF and LCD personally.
Having the latest Sony body's again I guess I set my expectations too high when it comes to AF and things just working . It's usable here but again in a version 6 i expected better I guess. Especially with all the hype. I really like the sharpness and the sensor it self. Even the IBIS is very good. Really the things that so far are bugging me are related to the user experience/software side. Which I guess is catching me off guard as everyone on the planet says they buy this camera for the "user experience". Kinda funny that my concern coming in was more lens/sensor performance and that Ironically is what I like the most about the camera so far. I'll keep plugging away in the menu's I guess for now.Quite correct: “Ok. But your pretty much stating the obvious.” (Well, except it’s “you’re”)Yeah. Have been dyslexic my whole life. I reread what I type to try to catch mistakes but still miss things from time to time. I don't worry about it anymore because there is always a smarter person in the room that will find my mistakes
In my case, it autocorrected it and then I went back to 'fix' the quote. In any case, your assessment remains 100% correct.
johnvanr wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
gdanmitchell wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
So it's only been a couple days I have been using mine. As mentioned this is my first Fuji camera. I'm on the fence right now. Things I like and things I don't like and don't really understand are even an issue in 2024. My question is all i ever hear from Fuji users is how they get updates and Sony is not as good at that. Sadly I see why now and I'm not sure that is something to brag about. Meaning to me Sony flushes out more of the bugs before releasing and seems more polished over all. I'm wondering if I am patient will Fuji produce updates to fix some of the clunkiness and AF. The AF motor concerns me alittle from a durability stand point. The way it pulses and sounds just does not instill confidence over the long haul. I don't know. Really torn because right now Sony doesn't off a smaller option that doesn't have a flip screen and that is a real deal killer for me personally. With demand still high I guess I'll give it more time. Heck I have not even received all my accessories yet.- - -
Speaking as a person who has photographed with a lot of different film gear for decades, digital since the mid-1990s, DSLRs for about two decades, and mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from Fujifilm for a decade, a few thoughts.
First, no one brand is perfect for everyone. Aside from the purely subjective feeling about a brand, each has different design approaches and different strengths and weakness. They are all very good, but sometimes you can’t get over your personal biases. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize them for what they are. (I will probably never get into Nikon for reasons that I can’t articulate, but I also know that Nikon produces excellent gear.)
Second, people get confused about the difference between “this is really good for what I do even though something else might be better in some ways” and “because there is something else that is better in some ways, this thing sucks.” All too often in the photographer world, there are voices reacting to every difference in the second way, as if there are only two possible states for equipment — The Very Best Thing or The Very Worst Thing. In reality, being The Very Best in one context does not make a camera The Very Best For You.
Third, there is no such thing as perfect gear. Every brand and model of every thing has its pluses and minuses, some objective and others relevant to the subjective impressions of different users. In fact The Very Best For You camera might not be the very best in any single category — but it may be competent, excellent overall, and the package that is just right for you.
- - -
What about Fujifilm AF?
There are other brands, and certain models in particular, that exceed Fujifilm’s performance in terms of accuracy and speed. If your particular photography depends only on having the #1 AF system on the planet, then you are not likely to prefer Fujifilm.
But if the functionality and usefulness of a camera is the sum of many different elements — AF performance for sure, but also size, ergonomics, optical performance, cost, image quality, available options, sensor options, brand reputation and more.
Here, users will come to vastly different — and valid! — conclusions about the suitability of different brands and models. Let’s take AF performance, for example.
In general, the AF of my Fujifilm cameras has not been as fast or accurate as that of my Canon cameras. At first this was in part due to the AF issues with early mirrorless cameras in general. But even today, we can all agree that Fujifilm AF is not the industry leader.
But is that the question? There are multiple brands, each producing many models. Not all of them can be “the leader” in AF performance. (There are plenty of analogies wiht other products. There are tons of fine cars that are excellent, but they cannot all be The Very Best Car. In theory, only one can… but in reality no one can even agree on that.)
All camera gear choices are compromises. E.g. there is no “no compromises” gear, at least not if you look at all aspects of the performance/suitabilty for that gear.
So, if Fujifilm’s AF is not “the very best there is,” why would anyone want these cameras?
Again, we have to look at the package and its suitability for your particular use. While the AF might be faster in some other camera or brand a) it won’t be perfect in that brand either and b) maybe it is actually plenty fast enough for your real world use and c) other aspects of the camera’s performance need to be weighed against the AF performance.
Note that I’m not saying that Fujifilm AF is the very best. What I am saying is that it is quite good in real world performance and that if you want a camera that otherwise provides what the system offers you would have to give up other things if you chose another brand.
That’s certainly true in the case of the X100(series) cameras. You get one focal length. The lens is fine, but it isn’t The World’s Greatest 23mm Lens. It doesn’t have as large of a maximum aperture as you might sometimes want. The operational controls are smaller and closer together than on some other cameras. AF isn’t as fast as on some other cameras. The battery is small and has a lower capacity. The smaller APS-C sensor can fall short if you are making a lot of 30” x 40” prints.
If those are the most important issues, then it probably isn’t for you.
On the other hand, its lens is quite good for the kind of shooting you’d likely do with it. The IBIS feature extends its usefulness in many situations. The 40MP sensor is a step forward and more than most competing cameras. Many find that the built-out manual “retro” interface is extremely effective. The package is extremely small and light for what it offers. AF is quite competent. It offers and OVF. It is the sort of camera that you are more likely to have with you.
A personal note. I probably won’t get one. I have used the X100(series) cameras, and I’m impressed with what they do. I have been tempted, at one point so much that I almost got one after using the X1000f. I think the X100vi is the best so far in that line, and I can see how it will be ideal for certain uses and users. But for me — but not necessarily others — a different Fujifilm option is better adapted to how I use the cameras.
YMMV.
I have the camera setup for back button focus. There appears to be a difference between using the EVF and back LCD. Probably something for me to set but I have not been able to find it. When I look through the EVF the square stays green as long as I'm pressing the button. If I do the exact same thing but am looking at the LCD to compose the green square disappears which is annoying. Same goes for the sound of the shutter. I have that turned on and all the way up. It works every time when looking through the EVF but doesn't when using the LCD to compose a shot. I have been playing with the menu's and I'm guessing there might be a setting but I have not found it yet. I don't know why anyone would want to separate those 2 things between EVF and LCD personally.
Having the latest Sony body's again I guess I set my expectations too high when it comes to AF and things just working . It's usable here but again in a version 6 i expected better I guess. Especially with all the hype. I really like the sharpness and the sensor it self. Even the IBIS is very good. Really the things that so far are bugging me are related to the user experience/software side. Which I guess is catching me off guard as everyone on the planet says they buy this camera for the "user experience". Kinda funny that my concern coming in was more lens/sensor performance and that Ironically is what I like the most about the camera so far. I'll keep plugging away in the menu's I guess for now.
In my case, it autocorrected it and then I went back to 'fix' the quote. In any case, your assessment remains 100% correct.
Mar 10, 2024 at 12:11 PM
p.10 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
serhan_ wrote:
Saw that and liked it.
Then again, he loves the Nikon Zf, which I have currently as a rental, but I already know it's not for me. He also tried the Leica Q2 and decided against it (which I understand for price reasons, but that wasn't his rationale). And the Ricoh GR he loves is for me a camera I only take with me because it's so small and the files are great, but it's not my preferred way of shooting.
He's right about the appeal of that Fuji, though. I've been asked more whether I was carrying a Leica when I had the Fuji X100whatever with me than when I actually carried a Leica...
Saw that and liked it.
Then again, he loves the Nikon Zf, which I have currently as a rental, but I already know it's not for me. He also tried the Leica Q2 and decided against it (which I understand for price reasons, but that wasn't his rationale). And the Ricoh GR he loves is for me a camera I only take with me because it's so small and the files are great, but it's not my preferred way of shooting.
He's right about the appeal of that Fuji, though. I've been asked more whether I was carrying a Leica when I had the Fuji X100whatever with me than when I actually carried a Leica...
Mar 10, 2024 at 12:14 PM
p.10 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Based on all this, I’m not sure if I’m willing to drop my money on the VI just yet. I think I’ll just use a Samyang 35mm 2.8 pancake on my a7rv to get that smallish feeling, at least I know I won’t have AF issues.
Mar 10, 2024 at 12:18 PM
p.10 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
People aren't spending $6000-$8000 dollars on Leicas for the AF tracking, eye-af, etc.
Read reviews of the M11, the Q3, and SL3. Not exactly Sony-like AF systems on any of those cameras either.
I don't have the X100VI, but I have the X-H2 and I find the AF system, and the Eye-AF to be very good.
Read reviews of the M11, the Q3, and SL3. Not exactly Sony-like AF systems on any of those cameras either.
I don't have the X100VI, but I have the X-H2 and I find the AF system, and the Eye-AF to be very good.
Mar 10, 2024 at 01:24 PM
p.10 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I'd like to hear from people who've actually used both setups, not just watched videos. Can you tell me how fast and accurate the autofocus is on the X100V or X100VI compared to the X-Pro3 or X-E4 with the XF 23mm f/2 WR lens? I've found the latter setup pretty good, though not as good as Sony. I haven't tried an X100 series camera myself, and I'm curious if it's noticeably worse, as some comments suggest, possibly due to the lens.
Mar 10, 2024 at 01:34 PM
p.10 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
serhan_ wrote:
If you post a 35 min video, you should at least provide a synopsis or highlight main points
Comparing the ZF to the VI is about apples and oranges as you can get, though, across all metrics.
I'd prefer the conversation of this thread be from actual FM users who own the VI and can provide initial impressions and findings vs Youtube talking heads.
Edited on Mar 10, 2024 at 01:54 PM · View previous versions
If you post a 35 min video, you should at least provide a synopsis or highlight main points
Comparing the ZF to the VI is about apples and oranges as you can get, though, across all metrics.
I'd prefer the conversation of this thread be from actual FM users who own the VI and can provide initial impressions and findings vs Youtube talking heads.
Edited on Mar 10, 2024 at 01:54 PM · View previous versions
Mar 10, 2024 at 01:53 PM
p.10 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
_Refraction wrote:
There I'm now looking into an A7C II plus perhaps Sigma I 35 combination among others.
I actually ordered an A7CII last week to directly compare with my newly arrived X100VI, and ended up returning the A7CII.
For me, it came down to 3 things.
(1) I hated the loud clack of the A7CII's mechanical shutter, whereas the X100VI's leaf shutter is sublime and I wouldn't feel out of place using it in quiet public spaces. Sure, one can just use ES instead, but that has its other issues.
(2) I wanted a small and light compact setup and once you put a lens on the A7CII it does become noticeably larger and heavier.
(3) A7CII + 40m f2.5 G costs nearly twice the price, and it seemed like overkill for my needs right now.
Having said that, I thought the A7CII felt good in the hand, looked pretty nice (I had the silver) and the EVF was actually pretty nice. And sure, I know the AF will utterly smoke the Fuji, but I don't intend to shoot many fast subjects with the VI. And I know the FF sensor will smoke the Fuji in low light, but for almost half the price I'm OK with the Fuji's low light output.
That's just me, and I absolutely get why others would make the opposite choice, especially if you're looking to change to a new FF system and don't mind the costs etc.
There I'm now looking into an A7C II plus perhaps Sigma I 35 combination among others.
I actually ordered an A7CII last week to directly compare with my newly arrived X100VI, and ended up returning the A7CII.
For me, it came down to 3 things.
(1) I hated the loud clack of the A7CII's mechanical shutter, whereas the X100VI's leaf shutter is sublime and I wouldn't feel out of place using it in quiet public spaces. Sure, one can just use ES instead, but that has its other issues.
(2) I wanted a small and light compact setup and once you put a lens on the A7CII it does become noticeably larger and heavier.
(3) A7CII + 40m f2.5 G costs nearly twice the price, and it seemed like overkill for my needs right now.
Having said that, I thought the A7CII felt good in the hand, looked pretty nice (I had the silver) and the EVF was actually pretty nice. And sure, I know the AF will utterly smoke the Fuji, but I don't intend to shoot many fast subjects with the VI. And I know the FF sensor will smoke the Fuji in low light, but for almost half the price I'm OK with the Fuji's low light output.
That's just me, and I absolutely get why others would make the opposite choice, especially if you're looking to change to a new FF system and don't mind the costs etc.
Mar 10, 2024 at 01:53 PM
p.10 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote:
I'd like to hear from people who've actually used both setups, not just watched videos. Can you tell me how fast and accurate the autofocus is on the X100V or X100VI compared to the X-Pro3 or X-E4 with the XF 23mm f/2 WR lens? I've found the latter setup pretty good, though not as good as Sony. I haven't tried an X100 series camera myself, and I'm curious if it's noticeably worse, as some comments suggest, possibly due to the lens.
I am potentially picking up the X-pro3 + 23mm combo and heading to Japan with both in a few weeks and if so I will make sure to report back and add on to what others have said.
I'd like to hear from people who've actually used both setups, not just watched videos. Can you tell me how fast and accurate the autofocus is on the X100V or X100VI compared to the X-Pro3 or X-E4 with the XF 23mm f/2 WR lens? I've found the latter setup pretty good, though not as good as Sony. I haven't tried an X100 series camera myself, and I'm curious if it's noticeably worse, as some comments suggest, possibly due to the lens.
I am potentially picking up the X-pro3 + 23mm combo and heading to Japan with both in a few weeks and if so I will make sure to report back and add on to what others have said.
Mar 10, 2024 at 01:56 PM
p.10 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
I re-read my OP now that it's mostly fleshed out with my first week impressions.
It occurs to me that many, if not most, perhaps, would read it and find my overall sentiment on the negative or regretful side, so this post is mostly to address that...I tried to take an extremely non-biased and rational approach to the VI as an upgrade, especially as an upgrade to the V. In that regard, I find it largely lacking in the bigger 2024 camera market, as many other new cameras run laps around the VI in a number of ways. I would even...Show more →
I think you're touching on it here and my thoughts mirror what Lok said in a recent post - for me this camera is just more fun than most I've tried. I had a lot of fun with my X100F but with the improvement since then and being more willing to lean into film sims I'm having a blast now.
My Z8 and associated lenses can get me technical, wonderful shots or with the 600PF I can chase the local birds, and I love to do so.
But with the X100 I'm always taking it with me, shooting random things, feeling less pressured and just overall enjoying photography a lot more, which in the end to me is worth more than any megapixel count, AF speed, or other complaints I might have about the camera.
I re-read my OP now that it's mostly fleshed out with my first week impressions.
It occurs to me that many, if not most, perhaps, would read it and find my overall sentiment on the negative or regretful side, so this post is mostly to address that...I tried to take an extremely non-biased and rational approach to the VI as an upgrade, especially as an upgrade to the V. In that regard, I find it largely lacking in the bigger 2024 camera market, as many other new cameras run laps around the VI in a number of ways. I would even...Show more →
I think you're touching on it here and my thoughts mirror what Lok said in a recent post - for me this camera is just more fun than most I've tried. I had a lot of fun with my X100F but with the improvement since then and being more willing to lean into film sims I'm having a blast now.
My Z8 and associated lenses can get me technical, wonderful shots or with the 600PF I can chase the local birds, and I love to do so.
But with the X100 I'm always taking it with me, shooting random things, feeling less pressured and just overall enjoying photography a lot more, which in the end to me is worth more than any megapixel count, AF speed, or other complaints I might have about the camera.
Mar 10, 2024 at 01:59 PM
p.10 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
BPsmith511 wrote:
I am potentially picking up the X-pro3 + 23mm combo and heading to Japan with both in a few weeks and if so I will make sure to report back and add on to what others have said.
Hah, I've been considering picking up an X-T5 and 23/2 (I had one with the X-H1 and liked it a lot) as well, now that the X-T5 is getting Reala Ace. It would be interesting to test it against the VI for sure. I'd love to add the vertical tilt to the screen, I'm just so spoiled by that. The X-T5 having a 1/8000th shutter would help offset the lack of ND filter for wide open shooting midday.
Fred Miranda wrote
I'd like to hear from people who've actually used both setups, not just watched videos. Can you tell me how fast and accurate the autofocus is on the X100V or X100VI compared to the X-Pro3 or X-E4 with the XF 23mm f/2 WR lens? I've found the latter setup pretty good, though not as good as Sony. I haven't tried an X100 series camera myself, and I'm curious if it's noticeably worse, as some comments suggest, possibly due to the lens.Hah, I've been considering picking up an X-T5 and 23/2 (I had one with the X-H1 and liked it a lot) as well, now that the X-T5 is getting Reala Ace. It would be interesting to test it against the VI for sure. I'd love to add the vertical tilt to the screen, I'm just so spoiled by that. The X-T5 having a 1/8000th shutter would help offset the lack of ND filter for wide open shooting midday.
Mar 10, 2024 at 02:00 PM
p.10 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I've played with the X-T5 and it is very comfortable in hand, certainly a better "Value" than the X-Pro3 but I'm not entirely sold on if I want my fun camera to be rangefinder or not.
Mar 10, 2024 at 02:21 PM
p.10 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
BPsmith511 wrote:
I've played with the X-T5 and it is very comfortable in hand, certainly a better "Value" than the X-Pro3 but I'm not entirely sold on if I want my fun camera to be rangefinder or not.
Understandable if a RF is what you're looking for. I personally see a lot more basic usability present in the X-T5 myself but I do also enjoy the RF style for how I use my X100.
I've played with the X-T5 and it is very comfortable in hand, certainly a better "Value" than the X-Pro3 but I'm not entirely sold on if I want my fun camera to be rangefinder or not.
Understandable if a RF is what you're looking for. I personally see a lot more basic usability present in the X-T5 myself but I do also enjoy the RF style for how I use my X100.
Mar 10, 2024 at 02:24 PM
p.10 #20X100VI first impressions + running commentary
No problem. He has some good points on the lens, which is again size is the priority. I had X100V for a short time and have X20, X30, X100VI. I like it so far to change the Fuji colors and see in the screen in a rainy/cloudy weather. I am not afc shooter, so eye af was fine with the dog and 50mm crop is useful to get closer as with Q3... I wish a couple times it has 28mm for landscapes, so I need to try the wc lens and tc for indoor pets... It's a fun camera to use...
RoamingScott wrote:
If you post a 35 min video, you should at least provide a synopsis or highlight main points
Comparing the ZF to the VI is about apples and oranges as you can get, though, across all metrics.
I'd prefer the conversation of this thread be from actual FM users who own the VI and can provide initial impressions and findings vs Youtube talking heads.
RoamingScott wrote:
serhan_ wrote
Comparing the ZF to the VI is about apples and oranges as you can get, though, across all metrics.
I'd prefer the conversation of this thread be from actual FM users who own the VI and can provide initial impressions and findings vs Youtube talking heads.
Mar 10, 2024 at 02:59 PM