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p.24 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
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Jman13 wroteSo, I've noticed that the Smallrig Grip doesn't quite fit perfectly. I had gotten used to the feel of the grip, and I like the finish and look overall, but I noticed it doesn't sit flush with the bottom of the camera. If you tighten the screw down, the center actually bends slightly to secure it, and the left side (when shooting) is a little higher than the right side - it's a 0.5mm difference when measuring from base to top of camera on the left side vs the center, and it's visible (measured with my micrometer). I'm quite surprised to be honest, because usually Smallrig stuff fits perfectly.
Mine looks like its part of the camera - I was impressed by the quality
Can you take a picture from the back showing how the plate looks on the body? Mine doesn't sit completely flush - there is a gap on the left, and as you screw it in, you can see the center flex and go flush. If it's not a design issue, but rather simply a production issue with my sample, I'll just do an exchange.
Maybe your sensor wasn't the only part of your body that was misaligned


Nah - I don't think that's an issue. The grip has the exact same fit on my X100V (the screw hole is a slot to fit both cameras).
May 13, 2024 at 10:50 AM
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p.24 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
To clarify what I'm talking about - some pics:

First, this is with the grip just barely tightened - enough to pull the bottom plate in contact with the camera (but would quickly loosen and fall off if used). The gap here is consistent along the bottom:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/xgrip_loose.jpg

Now, if you tighten the screw down so that the grip is secure, you can see the center/right goes flush to the camera body, while the gap on the left stays...the cut out on the left is just barely too small to allow it to fully seat...the result is that the plate bends slightly and slightly angles the camera (and I'd imagine puts stresses on the tripod socket that probably shouldn't be there). (if anything, the area covered on the left is LESS covered when tightened than when the screw is loose, since it's bending the plate)
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/xgrip_tight.jpg

From the front you can see the difference too, as the amount of camera base covered up by the grip is different. Just trying to figure out if this is a design error or a manufacturing error on my grip. If the latter, I'll exchange mine, because otherwise I like it, and it does look really nice.
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/xgrip_front.jpg

And to confirm - when mounted on my X100V, the exact same thing happens, so it's not the camera.
May 13, 2024 at 06:11 PM
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p.24 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
So, after two months, I'm ready to say that...

...I would have been just fine staying with the V

The main point of interest I had in the camera was the improved video output via IBIS getting added, but I'm thoroughly unimpressed by all of the video output in all resolutions and codecs.

In terms of shooting, my style of single point AF-S is not particularly improved by the new algorithm and certainly not the tracking algorithm. In testing the tracking modes, I simply do not feel the lens motors are up to the job of consistent tracking for speedy subjects.

The new methodology of the "C modes" is also a bit frustrating. A use case: be in C1 (Gold 200) mode, and change the aspect ratio to 4:5. Jump over to C2 (Tri-X) and the aspect ratio change does not flow over. I understand why they'd make it this way (it's supposed to be more for banks of settings), but given that this is how they handle custom film sims on the gen 5 bodies, it ends up being clunky if you swap into multiple sims frequently.

The build quality of the media port door is constantly bothering me. It's a point on the camera which receives pressure in multiple use cases...you palm rests on it while shooting and sometimes my right thumb finds it while manipulating the body...and every time, the door is sliding around under my grip. It's such a cheap feeling part that it ruins much of the designer experience.

The extra MP are nice to have while viewing on a screen but are functionally pointless for prints or web unless you're doing deep cropping, which I never do with my X100 bodies.

I shoot mostly during the day, so IBIS for stills has been a bit of a non-feature for me as well.

Overall, could have skipped it and been happy...Reala Ace is honestly the best new feature in terms of the way I shoot, but even that can be emulated by profiles.
May 14, 2024 at 08:14 AM
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p.24 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Interesting.

I haven't had mine as long as you, but so far it's exactly what I wanted out of it. I missed stabilization a lot on the V, often leading to much higher than desired ISOs when shooting in lower light, and so I'm very pleased with just that, even. I also do like Reala Ace, and I think the overall image quality of the 40MP sensor is suprisingly good. I love also that the stabilization + ND filter can allow for some slow shutter speed work in daylight without a tripod.

I could have been fine with the V, but I'm glad I made the switch up.
May 14, 2024 at 09:03 AM
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p.24 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Interesting.

I haven't had mine as long as you, but so far it's exactly what I wanted out of it. I missed stabilization a lot on the V, often leading to much higher than desired ISOs when shooting in lower light, and so I'm very pleased with just that, even. I also do like Reala Ace, and I think the overall image quality of the 40MP sensor is suprisingly good. I love also that the stabilization + ND filter can allow for some slow shutter speed work in daylight without a tripod.

I could have been fine with the V,
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I'm one who decided my V was just fine, but then I started seeing what could be done with cropping and IBIS - so I decided to grab one off B&S here. It will be here in a couple of days, and I'm excited to see what I can do with it. I may keep my V as well, or sell one or the other, but I'm tickled to be getting one to take out for a spin. I'll still likely wind up with an XT-5 at some point, but will see how things go with the VI first.

May 14, 2024 at 11:24 AM
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p.24 #6X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Asking for a friend: What about the X100vi is “more” attractive to you users than say an XT5 with a 16, 18, 23, 27 or 33 mounted?
May 20, 2024 at 08:18 AM
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p.24 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Asking for a friend: What about the X100vi is “more” attractive to you users than say an XT5 with a 16, 18, 23, 27 or 33 mounted?


Compared to the X-T5, the two main advantages the X100 line has are the size in pocket and the ND filter. The ND filter is the "killer app" of the line. I wouldn't call the OVF an "advantage", just a difference in preference. I never use mine.

The X-T5 is better in every other way.
May 20, 2024 at 08:26 AM
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p.24 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
May 20, 2024 at 10:11 AM
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p.24 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Sharona wrote:
I have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements
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If you bothered to take both cameras, you could utilize the wide teleconverter adapter on the V and use digital TC on the VI to cover you from 28mm-50mm between the two.
May 20, 2024 at 10:13 AM
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p.24 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Sharona wroteI have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
If you bothered to take both cameras, you could utilize the wide teleconverter adapter on the V and use digital TC on the VI to cover you from 28mm-50mm between the two.


I always travel with two cameras, so I would take both, or my soon to come XT-5 and the VI. The digital converters will be interesting and probably more useful with the 40 mp sensor. I have been pondering that wide adapter. But I will likely bring the XT5 and a wide angle instead.

May 20, 2024 at 10:18 AM
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p.24 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
Sharona wroteI have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
If you bothered to take both cameras, you could utilize the wide teleconverter adapter on the V and use digital TC on the VI to cover you from 28mm-50mm between the two.


If you add the wide converter, isn't it all of a sudden larger than an XT5 with say the 16 on it?
May 20, 2024 at 10:29 AM
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p.24 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Sharona wroteI have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
If you bothered to take both cameras, you could utilize the wide teleconverter adapter on the V and use digital TC on the VI to cover you from 28mm-50mm between the two.
If you add the wide converter, isn't it all of a sudden larger than an XT5 with say the 16 on it?


Sure but it's cheaper than buying an X-T5 and 16. You're hung up on all the wrong things, but at least we've gotten the point of your posts where it's obvious you don't "get" the X100 line. Now just admit that and stop worrying about what other people prefer
May 20, 2024 at 10:33 AM
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p.24 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Sharona wrote:
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To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant
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Ah, excellent observation, and I agree it's a great thing to do especially when artistic blockage needs to be cleared. Of course heading out with one prime on any body accomplishes the same thing, does it not?

PS: taking both the V and VI seems odd -- if you put say the wide or tele adapter on one, you've effectively added an "interchangeable lens" haven't you? And here, a different camera with even a single wide or tele would make more sense, would it not?

May 20, 2024 at 10:33 AM
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p.24 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Sharona wrote:
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Sharona wroteI have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
If you bothered to take both cameras, you could utilize the wide teleconverter adapter on the V and use digital TC on the VI to cover you from 28mm-50mm between the two.
The digital converters will be interesting and probably more useful with the 40 mp sensor.



I disagree completely about the wide angle adapter which I specifically mentioned, because the moment you crop a picture taken with it, you're changing the effective focal length, rending it pointless. Now, for the tele adapter, yes, you could combine it AND the digital TC and end up with a very usable file that is much longer than anything you could do without the tele converter.
May 20, 2024 at 10:34 AM
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p.24 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Sharona wrote(snip)
To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
Ah, excellent observation, and I agree it's a great thing to do especially when artistic blockage needs to be cleared. Of course heading out with one prime on any body accomplishes the same thing, does it not?

PS: taking both the V and VI seems odd -- if you put say the wide or tele adapter on one, you've effectively added an "interchangeable lens" haven't you? And here, a different camera with even a single wide or tele would make more sense, would it not?


Perhaps it does, but it also leads to the thinking: Gee I wish I had my 50 mm, or whatever lens I didn't bring, but could have. As I posted above, I will most likely bring my 100VI and the XT-5 with a couple of primes. I always travel with two cameras as you never know what could possibly happen. Taking just the x100s? Well, it simplifies a lot and lightens the load for one thing, and is less obtrusive when you're out on the streets. But there are so many reasons why people enjoy the X100 series cameras. I'm not sure why you feel the need to question that. I don't consider what others shoot any of my concern. Live and let live, baby.

May 20, 2024 at 11:33 AM
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p.24 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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RoamingScott wrote
Sharona wroteI have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
If you bothered to take both cameras, you could utilize the wide teleconverter adapter on the V and use digital TC on the VI to cover you from 28mm-50mm between the two.
The digital converters will be interesting and probably more useful with the 40 mp sensor.
I disagree completely about the wide angle adapter which I specifically mentioned, because the moment you crop a picture taken with it, you're changing the effective focal length, rending it pointless. Now, for the tele adapter, yes, you could combine it AND the digital TC and end up with a very usable file that is much longer than anything you could do without the tele converter.


I have no idea what you're saying, but my point was that 40 mp, plus the IN CAMERA digital converters allow for more information to be captured than using the digital converters with the 26 mp sensor. I wasn't talking about the screw on adapter, although I did say I had pondered it.

May 20, 2024 at 11:36 AM
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p.24 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Perhaps it does, but it also leads to the thinking: Gee I wish I had my 50 mm, or whatever lens I didn't bring, but could have. As I posted above, I will most likely bring my 100VI and the XT-5 with a couple of primes. I always travel with two cameras as you never know what could possibly happen. Taking just the x100s? Well, it simplifies a lot and lightens the load for one thing, and is less obtrusive when you're out on the streets. But there are so many reasons why people enjoy the X100 series cameras. I'm not sure why you feel the need to question that. I don't consider what others shoot any of my concern. Live and let live, baby.



Just trying to understand the thinking -- not arguing with anybody's choices...
May 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM
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Sharona wrote
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Sharona wroteI have had mine for a few days, and haven't taken it "out" other than my yard. My first impression is that it is larger than my V. Not by a lot, but it is larger and heavier. This can be a good thing, as I still find it easier to hold larger/heavier cameras steady.

To Gear-nut: I think one thing that is nice about these cameras is that they provide constraints, which can be good training, and that they take decisions out of the process - decisions about which focal length, etc. The X100 cameras may be fashion statements for some, but they also are extremely capable cameras. Fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, and I resisted until the V came out. I'm now trying to decide if I'm brave enough to take only the VI and V to France in September. It would be so liberating, but I think I'm still too reliant on other focal lengths for my photos to feel ready to do that just yet.
If you bothered to take both cameras, you could utilize the wide teleconverter adapter on the V and use digital TC on the VI to cover you from 28mm-50mm between the two.
The digital converters will be interesting and probably more useful with the 40 mp sensor.
I disagree completely about the wide angle adapter which I specifically mentioned, because the moment you crop a picture taken with it, you're changing the effective focal length, rending it pointless. Now, for the tele adapter, yes, you could combine it AND the digital TC and end up with a very usable file that is much longer than anything you could do without the tele converter.
I have no idea what you're saying



I know, this is why having an intelligent conversation is nearly impossible I can't simplify this stuff any more than I already do.
May 20, 2024 at 11:39 AM
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p.24 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that some people don't get the appeal of the X100 series because most non-Fuji camera companies sure don't get it. For me I'd use the X100 for family, travel and every day pics. For work I use Sony A1s and full frame lenses. If I was doing a serious photo trip I'd probably take my A1s and a couple of primes. I wouldn't consider using the X100 for professional use although there are things I'm sure it would work just fine for. It's just hard to beat a camera that is that small, has a built-in ND filter, a built-in flash and produces beautiful images that you can customize with recipes before you shoot and not worry about doing any work on after. It's just an enjoyable shooting process with minimal work and fits perfectly between my phone and work cameras.

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May 20, 2024 at 11:54 AM
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised that some people don't get the appeal of the X100 series because most non-Fuji camera companies sure don't get it. For me I'd use the X100 for family, travel and every day pics. For work I use Sony A1s and full frame lenses. If I was doing a serious photo trip I'd probably take my A1s and a couple of primes. I wouldn't consider using the X100 for professional use although there are things I'm sure it would work just fine for. It's just hard to beat a camera that is that small, has
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As the old adage goes, if the shoe fits, wear it. If the camera works for you and makes you happy, use it, enjoy it, and ignore the opinions of people who don't agree with you.
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