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p.3 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
It seems incongruous to me to purchase a camera, extol the sharpness and resolution of its lens, sensor, and processor, and then outfit it with a cinebloom or mist filter that degrades the image. It's also amusing to me that the OP and others present photos to demonstrate the new camera's capabilities but use such a filter and degrade the shot, which renders the demonstration ineffectual. I know that you will argue that the filter adds a quality to the shots that you find desirable, which I can appreciate, but they don't enhance the sharpness and resolution, which is what the overarching discussion is about. Please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.
Mar 02, 2024 at 10:42 AM
p.3 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
I fully agree. If the V is working for you, there is nothing materially game changing about the VI.
X100VI has useful improvements but it does not make X100V redundant in any way.
So one area that I am thinking may be a big improvement is the ability to get better AF in the OVF mode-
I love using this camera in OVF mode but sometimes struggled getting good results with AF on the X100v. This seems to be a much better match in the X100VI vs the V.
I am going to use this camera in OVF mode only tonight and see what I get. Initial use is very compelling that there is some changes or better functionality for this.
I haven’t seen any review or commentary on this at all. It’s all been 40Mpix and IBIS. This would be a big win for me since I much prefer the OVF experience vs EVF.
I fully agree. If the V is working for you, there is nothing materially game changing about the VI.
tuomkok wrote
I am tempted but on hold for now X100VI has useful improvements but it does not make X100V redundant in any way.danslides wrote
Am I seeing more 3D pop / micro contrast, or is it just me? It’s not like full frame Zeiss or Leica pop, but I feel like I don’t remember seeing that on the x100v - granted I only had the V for a very short time.So one area that I am thinking may be a big improvement is the ability to get better AF in the OVF mode-
I love using this camera in OVF mode but sometimes struggled getting good results with AF on the X100v. This seems to be a much better match in the X100VI vs the V.
I am going to use this camera in OVF mode only tonight and see what I get. Initial use is very compelling that there is some changes or better functionality for this.
I haven’t seen any review or commentary on this at all. It’s all been 40Mpix and IBIS. This would be a big win for me since I much prefer the OVF experience vs EVF.
Mar 02, 2024 at 10:42 AM
p.3 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote:
It seems incongruous to me to purchase a camera, extol the sharpness and resolution of its lens, sensor, and processor, and then outfit it with a cinebloom or mist filter that degrades the image. It's also amusing to me that the OP and others present photos to demonstrate the new camera's capabilities but use such a filter and degrade the shot, which renders the demonstration ineffectual. I know that you will argue that the filter adds a quality to the shots that you find desirable, which I can appreciate, but they don't enhance the sharpness and resolution, which is what...Show more →
Do you regard sharpness and resolution the only criteria in a photograph? There is art and there is craft. Should all painters only paint photo-realistic paintings?
It seems incongruous to me to purchase a camera, extol the sharpness and resolution of its lens, sensor, and processor, and then outfit it with a cinebloom or mist filter that degrades the image. It's also amusing to me that the OP and others present photos to demonstrate the new camera's capabilities but use such a filter and degrade the shot, which renders the demonstration ineffectual. I know that you will argue that the filter adds a quality to the shots that you find desirable, which I can appreciate, but they don't enhance the sharpness and resolution, which is what...Show more →
Do you regard sharpness and resolution the only criteria in a photograph? There is art and there is craft. Should all painters only paint photo-realistic paintings?
Mar 02, 2024 at 11:07 AM
p.3 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I’m not here to shoot the way anyone else wants me to, so there’s that. Go buy a VI, shoot it naked, and post YOUR findings.
I’m testing the VI in the same way I shot the V, so any improvements are apples to apples, even if you prefer oranges.
TENOG wrote:
It seems incongruous to me to purchase a camera, extol the sharpness and resolution of its lens, sensor, and processor, and then outfit it with a cinebloom or mist filter that degrades the image. It's also amusing to me that the OP and others present photos to demonstrate the new camera's capabilities but use such a filter and degrade the shot, which renders the demonstration ineffectual. I know that you will argue that the filter adds a quality to the shots that you find desirable, which I can appreciate, but they don't enhance the sharpness and resolution, which is what...Show more →
I’m testing the VI in the same way I shot the V, so any improvements are apples to apples, even if you prefer oranges.
TENOG wrote:
It seems incongruous to me to purchase a camera, extol the sharpness and resolution of its lens, sensor, and processor, and then outfit it with a cinebloom or mist filter that degrades the image. It's also amusing to me that the OP and others present photos to demonstrate the new camera's capabilities but use such a filter and degrade the shot, which renders the demonstration ineffectual. I know that you will argue that the filter adds a quality to the shots that you find desirable, which I can appreciate, but they don't enhance the sharpness and resolution, which is what...Show more →
Mar 02, 2024 at 11:09 AM
p.3 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Curious to hear about this. I found the OVF experience miserable on the V.
RustyRus wrote:
X100VI has useful improvements but it does not make X100V redundant in any way.
So one area that I am thinking may be a big improvement is the ability to get better AF in the OVF mode-
I love using this camera in OVF mode but sometimes struggled getting good results with AF on the X100v. This seems to be a much better match in the X100VI vs the V.
I am going to use this camera in OVF mode only tonight and see what I get. Initial use is very compelling that there is some changes or better functionality for this.
I haven’t seen any review or commentary on this at all. It’s...Show more →
RustyRus wrote:
RoamingScott wrote
I fully agree. If the V is working for you, there is nothing materially game changing about the VI.tuomkok wrote
I am tempted but on hold for now X100VI has useful improvements but it does not make X100V redundant in any way.danslides wrote
Am I seeing more 3D pop / micro contrast, or is it just me? It’s not like full frame Zeiss or Leica pop, but I feel like I don’t remember seeing that on the x100v - granted I only had the V for a very short time.I love using this camera in OVF mode but sometimes struggled getting good results with AF on the X100v. This seems to be a much better match in the X100VI vs the V.
I am going to use this camera in OVF mode only tonight and see what I get. Initial use is very compelling that there is some changes or better functionality for this.
I haven’t seen any review or commentary on this at all. It’s...Show more →
Mar 02, 2024 at 11:11 AM
p.3 #6X100VI first impressions + running commentary
davesit wrote:
Do you regard sharpness and resolution the only criteria in a photograph? There is art and there is craft. Should all painters only paint photo-realistic paintings?
No one said that they “ regard sharpness and resolution the only criteria in a photograph” or that there is not “art and craft.” But the topic is of interest.
I think his point is that if an evaluation of sharpness (regardless of what you think the importance of sharpness is to photography in general) is offered, the evaluation’s value is diminished if based on using a lens with a filter designed to compromise sharpness. (I’m pretty sure that the camera’s native potential “sharpness” is just fine, and that the 40MP sensor will resolve excellent detail, and other users will likely be able to demonstrate that.)
Sharpness is an issue for you, too, as you wrote: “ I'll always prefer an infocus image to a quickly misfocused image.”
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TENOG wrote
It seems incongruous to me to purchase a camera, extol the sharpness and resolution of its lens, sensor, and processor, and then outfit it with a cinebloom or mist filter that degrades the image. It's also amusing to me that the OP and others present photos to demonstrate the new camera's capabilities but use such a filter and degrade the shot, which renders the demonstration ineffectual. I know that you will argue that the filter adds a quality to the shots that you find desirable, which I can appreciate, but they don't enhance the sharpness and resolution, which is what the overarching discussion is about. Please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.No one said that they “ regard sharpness and resolution the only criteria in a photograph” or that there is not “art and craft.” But the topic is of interest.
I think his point is that if an evaluation of sharpness (regardless of what you think the importance of sharpness is to photography in general) is offered, the evaluation’s value is diminished if based on using a lens with a filter designed to compromise sharpness. (I’m pretty sure that the camera’s native potential “sharpness” is just fine, and that the 40MP sensor will resolve excellent detail, and other users will likely be able to demonstrate that.)
Sharpness is an issue for you, too, as you wrote: “ I'll always prefer an infocus image to a quickly misfocused image.”
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Mar 02, 2024 at 11:15 AM
p.3 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Ok guys- Move on-
Let’s not turn this into a stupid debate- You created a thread to talk about the camera and someone doesn’t like you used a filter. BOO HOO. Let’s move on
Let’s not turn this into a stupid debate- You created a thread to talk about the camera and someone doesn’t like you used a filter. BOO HOO. Let’s move on
Mar 02, 2024 at 11:20 AM
p.3 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
My last comment on the above: I have posted the majority of all X100 photos on FM in the last year. My output is consistent and well known on this forum. Anyone is free to compare my VI shots to the V shots they have seen in that time and come to their own conclusions.
If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.
If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.
Mar 02, 2024 at 11:44 AM
p.3 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
davesit wrote:
Do you regard sharpness and resolution the only criteria in a photograph? There is art and there is craft. Should all painters only paint photo-realistic paintings?
Not at all. This string is not about the art of photography, it started out as an evaluation of the X100VI camera's performance, especially as compared to the X100V. The OP is talking about things like weight, IBIS, AF, and sharpness, not creativity. That's another subject for another string. Shooting with a mist filter may be an artistic enhancement but it doesn't help when trying to discern the sharpness of the lens.
TENOG wrote
It seems incongruous to me to purchase a camera, extol the sharpness and resolution of its lens, sensor, and processor, and then outfit it with a cinebloom or mist filter that degrades the image. It's also amusing to me that the OP and others present photos to demonstrate the new camera's capabilities but use such a filter and degrade the shot, which renders the demonstration ineffectual. I know that you will argue that the filter adds a quality to the shots that you find desirable, which I can appreciate, but they don't enhance the sharpness and resolution, which is what the overarching discussion is about. Please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.Not at all. This string is not about the art of photography, it started out as an evaluation of the X100VI camera's performance, especially as compared to the X100V. The OP is talking about things like weight, IBIS, AF, and sharpness, not creativity. That's another subject for another string. Shooting with a mist filter may be an artistic enhancement but it doesn't help when trying to discern the sharpness of the lens.
Mar 02, 2024 at 11:59 AM
p.3 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
My last comment on the above: I have posted the majority of all X100 photos on FM in the last year. My output is consistent and well known on this forum. Anyone is free to compare my VI shots to the V shots they have seen in that time and come to their own conclusions.
If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.
I'm not criticizing your photography. I'm just saying that if you are going to opine on the sharpness of the camera, show us sharp photos and not ones that have been unsharpened. Once you do that your sharpness comparisons are invalid and can't be used to support your opinions. Sorry that this ruffles your feathers, but as you yourself put it, compare apples to apples, not to oranges.
My last comment on the above: I have posted the majority of all X100 photos on FM in the last year. My output is consistent and well known on this forum. Anyone is free to compare my VI shots to the V shots they have seen in that time and come to their own conclusions.
If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.
I'm not criticizing your photography. I'm just saying that if you are going to opine on the sharpness of the camera, show us sharp photos and not ones that have been unsharpened. Once you do that your sharpness comparisons are invalid and can't be used to support your opinions. Sorry that this ruffles your feathers, but as you yourself put it, compare apples to apples, not to oranges.
Mar 02, 2024 at 12:04 PM
p.3 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote:
If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.I'm not criticizing your photography. I'm just saying that if you are going to opine on the sharpness of the camera, show us sharp photos and not ones that have been unsharpened. Once you do that your sharpness comparisons are invalid and can't be used to support your opinions. Sorry that this ruffles your feathers, but as you yourself put it, compare apples to apples, not to oranges.
I have said the word "sharpness" once in this thread, in the OP, where I mentioned I TOOK THE FILTER OFF to get a true sense of it.
Now I remember why I had you blocked, you're a serial agitator with nothing to add to any conversation you barge into...later gator.
RoamingScott wrote
My last comment on the above: I have posted the majority of all X100 photos on FM in the last year. My output is consistent and well known on this forum. Anyone is free to compare my VI shots to the V shots they have seen in that time and come to their own conclusions.If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.
I have said the word "sharpness" once in this thread, in the OP, where I mentioned I TOOK THE FILTER OFF to get a true sense of it.
Now I remember why I had you blocked, you're a serial agitator with nothing to add to any conversation you barge into...later gator.
Mar 02, 2024 at 12:08 PM
p.3 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Mar 02, 2024 at 12:16 PM
p.3 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.I'm not criticizing your photography. I'm just saying that if you are going to opine on the sharpness of the camera, show us sharp photos and not ones that have been unsharpened. Once you do that your sharpness comparisons are invalid and can't be used to support your opinions. Sorry that this ruffles your feathers, but as you yourself put it, compare apples to apples, not to oranges.I have said the word "sharpness" once in this thread, in the OP, where I mentioned I TOOK THE FILTER OFF to get a true sense of it.
Now I remember why I had you blocked, you're a serial agitator with nothing to add to any conversation you barge into...later gator.
Sorry to hurt your feelings by pointing out your mistake. And I'll add 'serial agitator' to my resume. Thanks.
TENOG wrote
RoamingScott wrote
My last comment on the above: I have posted the majority of all X100 photos on FM in the last year. My output is consistent and well known on this forum. Anyone is free to compare my VI shots to the V shots they have seen in that time and come to their own conclusions.If I shot all my photos at -5 clarity and didn’t disclose that, you’d never tell in a blind pop quiz. I’m upfront with how I shoot and my methodologies, so any hand wringing about that should be checked at the door.
Now I remember why I had you blocked, you're a serial agitator with nothing to add to any conversation you barge into...later gator.
Sorry to hurt your feelings by pointing out your mistake. And I'll add 'serial agitator' to my resume. Thanks.
Mar 02, 2024 at 12:34 PM
p.3 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
My Gold 200
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563482980_0b21b411df_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53562182372_fe0dba10d5_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563365724_e7403a33a1_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563365329_6213565567_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563042381_0e8d9da768_o.jpgReally nice pics
Do you remember which recipe was used in the last one?
thanks!
My Gold 200
Bizhouse wrote
RoamingScott wrote
A few more snaps from this morning. One of these has the 50mm TC applied. Can you tell which one?https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563482980_0b21b411df_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53562182372_fe0dba10d5_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563365724_e7403a33a1_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563365329_6213565567_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53563042381_0e8d9da768_o.jpg
Do you remember which recipe was used in the last one?
thanks!
Mar 02, 2024 at 01:13 PM
p.3 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Rad initial thoughts, i for one appreciate the findings of with and without said controversial filter. I like to see what the camera can produce naked and with additional items.
Thanks for the insight.
Thanks for the insight.
Mar 02, 2024 at 01:23 PM
p.3 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
One question about the digital 50/70mm crop modes. On the V it didn't pass the crop info to Lightroom so you no longer have an idea of what you were thinking when you composed the image. Is that fixed on thew VI? I know with my X-T5 if I set it to 4x5 it does pass the crop in the raw and you can change back to 3x2 is you want. But you can't access those aspect ratios unless you including taking the jpg with the raw. The 1.4/2.0 digital teleconverter on the X-T5 does not include the crop info in the raw file, so I'm guessing the VI with it's 50/70mm don't as well.
Mar 02, 2024 at 01:51 PM
p.3 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I shoot jpeg only, I believe what you’re asking about is the crop being auto applied in the RAW preview in LR, correct?
What would be really cool is if the camera would adjust the Exif to show the crop mode focal length so you could identify them at a glance instead of having to guess (tho the resolution is the giveaway).
Driften wrote:
One question about the digital 50/70mm crop modes. On the V it didn't pass the crop info to Lightroom so you no longer have an idea of what you were thinking when you composed the image. Is that fixed on thew VI? I know with my X-T5 if I set it to 4x5 it does pass the crop in the raw and you can change back to 3x2 is you want. But you can't access those aspect ratios unless you including taking the jpg with the raw. The 1.4/2.0 digital teleconverter on the X-T5 does not include the crop info...Show more →
What would be really cool is if the camera would adjust the Exif to show the crop mode focal length so you could identify them at a glance instead of having to guess (tho the resolution is the giveaway).
Driften wrote:
One question about the digital 50/70mm crop modes. On the V it didn't pass the crop info to Lightroom so you no longer have an idea of what you were thinking when you composed the image. Is that fixed on thew VI? I know with my X-T5 if I set it to 4x5 it does pass the crop in the raw and you can change back to 3x2 is you want. But you can't access those aspect ratios unless you including taking the jpg with the raw. The 1.4/2.0 digital teleconverter on the X-T5 does not include the crop info...Show more →
Mar 02, 2024 at 01:58 PM
p.3 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I intend to shoot RAW + bracket simulations (I'm allowed three) jpegs once I get the camera. Judging from Scott's images here I think I might have to get a new T9 or T7 4TB. Or maybe by the time I get my camera the T11 might be available :-)
Mar 02, 2024 at 02:40 PM
p.3 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
My silver X100VI just arrived, and I'm taken aback at how pretty it is. Fuji really nailed the aesthetics. I owned an X100F a few years ago, and IMO the VI is even better looking.
And yes, I know cameras are "just tools" etc, but photography is an aesthetic endeavor so nothing wrong with appreciating a beautiful object even if it is a camera. :-P
Now, the plot thickens because I also now have a silver A7CII + 40mm f2.5 G coming this week. I have been struggling to decide between these 2 cameras for a high quality compact prime lens setup that I want to use and take along (Leicas are far beyond my affordability threshold), and in the end I feel I need to compare them myself in person to really choose the right one for me.
And yes, I know cameras are "just tools" etc, but photography is an aesthetic endeavor so nothing wrong with appreciating a beautiful object even if it is a camera. :-P
Now, the plot thickens because I also now have a silver A7CII + 40mm f2.5 G coming this week. I have been struggling to decide between these 2 cameras for a high quality compact prime lens setup that I want to use and take along (Leicas are far beyond my affordability threshold), and in the end I feel I need to compare them myself in person to really choose the right one for me.
Mar 02, 2024 at 03:34 PM
p.3 #20X100VI first impressions + running commentary
The main annoyance with sim bracketing is that you’re limited to Fuji’s sims…I can’t understand why they won’t allow custom sims in that menu.
jojib wrote:
I intend to shoot RAW + bracket simulations (I'm allowed three) jpegs once I get the camera. Judging from Scott's images here I think I might have to get a new T9 or T7 4TB. Or maybe by the time I get my camera the T11 might be available :-)
jojib wrote:
I intend to shoot RAW + bracket simulations (I'm allowed three) jpegs once I get the camera. Judging from Scott's images here I think I might have to get a new T9 or T7 4TB. Or maybe by the time I get my camera the T11 might be available :-)
Mar 02, 2024 at 03:40 PM