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p.16 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Just a heads up – for close-up and wide open shooting, continuous AF is almost a requirement for me to get consistently sharp results. At this pixel density, handheld shooting in single shot AF often gives me slightly out of focus images in single shot mode because I often have a slight delay between focus acquisition and capture.

Regarding sharpness, I think the X100VI is often purchased by those accustomed to the artificial sharpness of AA-less CMOS sensors. That bite simply won't be there on X-Trans and thankfully, since to me the results look more filmic. And I can always dial in fake digital sharpness in post. These X100VI RAF files can accept a substantial amount of additional sharpening in post before artifacts begins to appear.
Mar 18, 2024 at 11:53 AM
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p.16 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Stumbled into the fact that aspect ratios do not carry over to other custom settings...i.e., you are running film sim 1 and switch to 4:5...when you pick film sim 2, it will use whatever ratio was last used with it, so you can get into a situation where if you want to shoot 4:5 all day with all sims, you have to set it for each Cx custom setting bank.

Slightly annoying but good to know. I believe this was one of the main complaints with the X-T5 vs the X-T4, in terms of which settings got carried over into custom setting banks and which ones didn't.
Mar 18, 2024 at 02:21 PM
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p.16 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
Stumbled into the fact that aspect ratios do not carry over to other custom settings...i.e., you are running film sim 1 and switch to 4:5...when you pick film sim 2, it will use whatever ratio was last used with it, so you can get into a situation where if you want to shoot 4:5 all day with all sims, you have to set it for each Cx custom setting bank.

Slightly annoying but good to know. I believe this was one of the main complaints with the X-T5 vs the X-T4, in terms of which settings got carried over into custom
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It would be great if Fujifilm added a menu that was a checkbox list of every single function that gets saved with a Cx slot – anything checked gets saved to the Cx, unchecked is not saved and therefore universal.
Mar 18, 2024 at 02:53 PM
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p.16 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
highdesertmesa wrote:
RoamingScott wroteStumbled into the fact that aspect ratios do not carry over to other custom settings...i.e., you are running film sim 1 and switch to 4:5...when you pick film sim 2, it will use whatever ratio was last used with it, so you can get into a situation where if you want to shoot 4:5 all day with all sims, you have to set it for each Cx custom setting bank.

Slightly annoying but good to know. I believe this was one of the main complaints with the X-T5 vs the X-T4, in terms of which settings got carried over into custom setting banks and which ones didn't.
It would be great if Fujifilm added a menu that was a checkbox list of every single function that gets saved with a Cx slot – anything checked gets saved to the Cx, unchecked is not saved and therefore universal.


You’re not the first person to think that would be a good idea - maybe we can hope for a firmware update
Mar 18, 2024 at 03:49 PM
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p.16 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
highdesertmesa wrote:
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highdesertmesa wroteIn case anyone was wondering about the size of the X100VI w/filter compared to an M with a small lens.
Eye Candy!

The X-Pro series shares a similar size to the Leica M10 and M11, but it stands out for being noticeably slimmer and lighter, especially when compared to the brass Leicas. When coupled with the XF 27/2.8 lens or one of the Voigtlander pancakes, it transforms into a compact system, although it remains slightly larger than the X100 series.
Honestly I was hoping more for an X-Pro 4 (that reverted to a traditional LCD setup) than the X100VI, but this will hold me over.

The X100 cameras really shines with all the extras removed: just the camera, no filter/hood, no thumb grip, etc. I’ve come halfway there in that I ditched the idea of using the hood and just use the filter setup with a regular 49mm lens cap. If it were weather sealed without having to add the filter, I might use it fully stripped down more often.

Since you mentioned brass, I wouldn’t turn my nose up at a
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Maybe in a future X-Pro4, Fuji could adopt the LCD setup seen in the Sony A7IV or X-T4. This would allow users to close the screen for storage, potentially addressing the controversy surrounding the current X-Pro3. Fans of the hidden LCD (me) would still have that option, while those who prefer having it accessible could also benefit. The drawback might be the swiveling feature, which some people might not like, but on the bright side, it would make the camera suitable for vlogging.
Mar 18, 2024 at 09:31 PM
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p.16 #6X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Overall I would say the X100VI is a great everyday camera. I had an X100V and didn't love it (I now that is blasphemous to say) but the lower resolution sensor and the lack of IBIS hurt it for me. The new sensor and IBIS make the X100VI a winner!

It won't replace my Sony A7RV and G-Master lenses but the X100VI will travel with me more than the Sony kit, therefore I will get and take more shots.

As everyone states it is a REALLY great form factor and wonderful to use with the retro styling and manual controls.

Here are a few shots I took with the X100VI






  X100VI    23mm    f/2.8    1/600s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X100VI    23mm    f/5.6    1/1900s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X100VI    23mm    f/4.0    1/3500s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  

Mar 19, 2024 at 01:05 PM
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p.16 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Had the X100VI in NYC yesterday testing some things out in prep for my Japan trip. Overall I'm liking it even more than my X100F. Still have to toy with recipes and film sims a lot. Still enjoy the thumb grip, still accidentally hit the front dial button and bring up the option menu

I'm hopeful for it - it will be my only camera for 2 weeks in Japan. Trepidatious about not having longer lenses with me a lot but also very excited to only be carrying a tiny sling bag at times.

As an side, I haven't imported JPEGs into LR in a while and man it did not like it. Upon import everything looked out of focus and nasty until I hit the develop module, where everything cleared right up. Not sure what happened there.
Mar 19, 2024 at 07:34 PM
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p.16 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
My first impressions, loving the camera. It's everything I wanted in the upgrade.

I feel like I got a bargain. A nice $600 lens and $1000 body
Mar 20, 2024 at 04:06 PM
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p.16 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Well, I got my X100VI, and while my very first impressions were quite positive - good AF, IBIS seems solid, image quality is very nice, good color, etc.....

I'm going to have to exchange mine or get it repaired (not sure which would be faster or more sure). My sensor or lens (one or the other) is significantly tilted from top to bottom, such that if you focus in the middle or upper part of the frame, the bottom of the frame is focused significantly forward of the rest of the image. It's not a minor tilt. It's a massive tilt. Enough that in a shot like the first one below, the sign (where I focused) is in focus, but literally nothing along that plane below it is. The ground, wall, etc, all completely out of focus. In some shots, the effect is hidden a bit, and on the third shot it actually helps, because it acts like a tilt-shift, giving extra foreground sharpness while keeping the background in focus too (that's also at a half second handheld, which is nice).

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/riffe_parking.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/supreme_relief.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/cbus_x100vi.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/scooter_night.jpg

Really bummed out, because I don't know if I'll be able to exchange (my preferred method) any time soon, and I'm hesitant to send to Fuji for repair because it's going to be a fairly significant repair that may be hard to fix, and I'd probably be without the camera for many weeks.

Mar 21, 2024 at 09:12 PM
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p.16 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Jman13 wrote:
Well, I got my X100VI, and while my very first impressions were quite positive - good AF, IBIS seems solid, image quality is very nice, good color, etc.....

I'm going to have to exchange mine or get it repaired (not sure which would be faster or more sure). My sensor or lens (one or the other) is significantly tilted from top to bottom, such that if you focus in the middle or upper part of the frame, the bottom of the frame is focused significantly forward of the rest of the image. It's not a minor tilt. It's a massive tilt.
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Did you have IBIS engaged for the shots showing the tilt?
Mar 21, 2024 at 09:32 PM
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p.16 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote:
Jman13 wroteWell, I got my X100VI, and while my very first impressions were quite positive - good AF, IBIS seems solid, image quality is very nice, good color, etc.....

I'm going to have to exchange mine or get it repaired (not sure which would be faster or more sure). My sensor or lens (one or the other) is significantly tilted from top to bottom, such that if you focus in the middle or upper part of the frame, the bottom of the frame is focused significantly forward of the rest of the image. It's not a minor tilt. It's a massive tilt. Enough that in a shot like the first one below, the sign (where I focused) is in focus, but literally nothing along that plane below it is. The ground, wall, etc, all completely out of focus. In some shots, the effect is hidden a bit, and on the third shot it actually helps, because it acts like a tilt-shift, giving extra foreground sharpness while keeping the background in focus too (that's also at a half second handheld, which is nice).

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/riffe_parking.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/supreme_relief.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/cbus_x100vi.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/scooter_night.jpg

Really bummed out, because I don't know if I'll be able to exchange (my preferred method) any time soon, and I'm hesitant to send to Fuji for repair because it's going to be a fairly significant repair that may be hard to fix, and I'd probably be without the camera for many weeks.
Did you have IBIS engaged for the shots showing the tilt?


First thing I did after seeing the issue on several shots when I was out was take shot without IBIS mounted to a tripod - still very, very evident. If I'm focused at the top of frame, square to a a flat target about 2m away, the focus is sharp at the top, sharp in the mid-frame about a half meter in front of the focus point, and the bottom of the frame is in focus about 2/3m in front of the focus point. I took about 15-20 different test shots after noticing the issue. Every single one shows the tilt.

Here's a test tripod mounted - camera was square to the wall - verified with the camera level to eliminate actual vertical tilting of the camera. This is about 1.5m away.

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/x100_tilt.jpg

Here's a 100% crop of the top part of the frame (where the focus was placed):
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/upper_crop.jpg

Here's a 100% crop of the lower part of the map - which should be on the same plane of focus:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/bottom_crop.jpg

And here's a 100% crop of the box placed about a foot in front of the map.
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/forward_crop.jpg

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Mar 21, 2024 at 09:41 PM
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p.16 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Jman13 wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote
Jman13 wroteWell, I got my X100VI, and while my very first impressions were quite positive - good AF, IBIS seems solid, image quality is very nice, good color, etc.....

I'm going to have to exchange mine or get it repaired (not sure which would be faster or more sure). My sensor or lens (one or the other) is significantly tilted from top to bottom, such that if you focus in the middle or upper part of the frame, the bottom of the frame is focused significantly forward of the rest of the image. It's not a minor tilt. It's a massive tilt. Enough that in a shot like the first one below, the sign (where I focused) is in focus, but literally nothing along that plane below it is. The ground, wall, etc, all completely out of focus. In some shots, the effect is hidden a bit, and on the third shot it actually helps, because it acts like a tilt-shift, giving extra foreground sharpness while keeping the background in focus too (that's also at a half second handheld, which is nice).

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/riffe_parking.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/supreme_relief.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/cbus_x100vi.jpg

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/scooter_night.jpg

Really bummed out, because I don't know if I'll be able to exchange (my preferred method) any time soon, and I'm hesitant to send to Fuji for repair because it's going to be a fairly significant repair that may be hard to fix, and I'd probably be without the camera for many weeks.
Did you have IBIS engaged for the shots showing the tilt?
First thing I did after seeing the issue on several shots when I was out was take shot without IBIS mounted to a tripod - still very, very evident. If I'm focused at the top of frame, square to a a flat target about 2m away, the focus is sharp at the top, sharp in the mid-frame about a half meter in front of the focus point, and the bottom of the frame is in focus about 2/3m in front of the focus point. I took about 15-20 different test shots after noticing the issue. Every single one shows the
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I'm wondering if there's also a swing involved. Typically, when the effect stands out a lot, it's because of both tilt and swing. However, with cameras having built-in lenses, users can't really adjust it. If it had a removable lens, fixing it could be possible with shims. As you mentioned, it might be a problem with the sensor alignment, but that's less likely. If it were my camera, I'd just return it. You might want to check with the store if they can quickly replace it for you. I'm curious if this issue is uncommon or if it affects many units because most people who buy this camera don't usually test for lens centering.
Mar 21, 2024 at 10:04 PM
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p.16 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Yeah, I'm going to call them first thing. Hopefully they get another batch sometime soon, because I'm sure they've shipped out all of those they received yesterday. One interesting thing is that it's worse the further away you're focused, which given it's a 23mm f/2, shouldn't really be a thing, since DOF isn't all that shallow at a distance.

Here's another shot from this evening - I focused on the tree on the right, in the upper part of the branches:

https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/tree.jpg

100% crop of the focus point:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/tree_top.jpg

100% crop of the base of the tree:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/tree_bottom.jpg

and the corner with the bush several feet in front of the tree:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/tree_forward.jpg
Mar 21, 2024 at 10:06 PM
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p.16 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
My x100vi I just got from best buy unfortunately has a stuck pixel on the sensor and trying to pixel remap 100 times hasn't helped it at all. Same spot on all photos. Going to see what best buy says, but with the no stock available for who knows when, an exchange isnt really possible. Might just deal with it, cleaning up in Lightroom is literally a click, still annoying none the less.
Mar 21, 2024 at 10:17 PM
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p.16 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary

mard22 wrote:
My x100vi I just got from best buy unfortunately has a stuck pixel on the sensor and trying to pixel remap 100 times hasn't helped it at all. Same spot on all photos. Going to see what best buy says, but with the no stock available for who knows when, an exchange isnt really possible. Might just deal with it, cleaning up in Lightroom is literally a click, still annoying none the less.


I could never keep a defective camera.

If you ever want to sell you'll take a huge loss if you can even find someone that wants to tolerate that defect.

And looking at every new image is a constant reminder of the defect.

This camera is not that special.
Mar 22, 2024 at 05:34 AM
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p.16 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Yeah, I'm going to Best Buy to see what they say.
Mar 22, 2024 at 08:30 AM
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p.16 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I contacted Midwest Photo, and they said that they could work on doing an exchange, but given what they have in confirmed shipments (nothing), they said it could be months before they could do an exchange, and it would be best to get it repaired by Fujifilm. So I guess I'm shipping my camera out today. I called Fujifilm repair and they seemed to think we'd be looking at 6-10 day turnaround, plus shipping round trip.

At least I still have my X100V to tide me over, though I need to sell it to pay for the X100VI, so sooner rather than later would be great for this turnaround. Hope it goes smoothly and they actually fix it.
Mar 22, 2024 at 09:01 AM
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p.16 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Jman13 wrote:
I contacted Midwest Photo, and they said that they could work on doing an exchange, but given what they have in confirmed shipments (nothing), they said it could be months before they could do an exchange, and it would be best to get it repaired by Fujifilm. So I guess I'm shipping my camera out today. I called Fujifilm repair and they seemed to think we'd be looking at 6-10 day turnaround, plus shipping round trip.

At least I still have my X100V to tide me over, though I need to sell it to pay for the X100VI, so sooner
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I'm really curious to see if Fuji can resolve this issue. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they can! I've had no success with Sony lenses that were off-center when sent in for repair. Maybe Fuji has a method to perfectly align the lens to the mount using a precise tool.
Mar 22, 2024 at 09:55 AM
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p.16 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
You got a camera with a free tilt lens and absolutely unique rendering. What are you complaining about? It is more limited than limited edition!

Jman13 wrote:
Well, I got my X100VI, and while my very first impressions were quite positive - good AF, IBIS seems solid, image quality is very nice, good color, etc.....

I'm going to have to exchange mine or get it repaired (not sure which would be faster or more sure). My sensor or lens (one or the other) is significantly tilted from top to bottom, such that if you focus in the middle or upper part of the frame, the bottom of the frame is focused significantly forward of the rest of the image. It's not a minor tilt. It's a massive tilt.
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Mar 22, 2024 at 09:58 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Jman13 wroteI contacted Midwest Photo, and they said that they could work on doing an exchange, but given what they have in confirmed shipments (nothing), they said it could be months before they could do an exchange, and it would be best to get it repaired by Fujifilm. So I guess I'm shipping my camera out today. I called Fujifilm repair and they seemed to think we'd be looking at 6-10 day turnaround, plus shipping round trip.

At least I still have my X100V to tide me over, though I need to sell it to pay for the X100VI, so sooner rather than later would be great for this turnaround. Hope it goes smoothly and they actually fix it.
I'm really curious to see if Fuji can resolve this issue. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they can! I've had no success with Sony lenses that were off-center when sent in for repair. Maybe Fuji has a method to perfectly align the lens to the mount using a precise tool.


Yeah, I’m a bit concerned about it too. If they can’t fix it I hope they just give me a new one.
Mar 22, 2024 at 10:15 AM
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