Is it safe to say that both X-E4 and X-Pro3 cameras equipped with the same X100V sensor (Trans IV 26MP) have the same 1/40s sensor readout?
Thanks Fred. They probably have the same sensor readout although sometimes camera makers change their readout strategy between models even when using the same sensor. For example, the Panasonic S5 uses a 14-bit 1/20 readout for both its single shot and 7fps continuous shooting mode. On the S5 II, Panasonic added a 30fps continuous mode, which requires switching to a faster 12-bit 1/38 readout to achieve that fps. Unfortunately Panasonic decided to also use that 12-bit readout for the existing 7fps and lower continuous modes, meaning the S5 II has worse continuous shooting IQ for low frame rates vs its predecessor.
For this reason I'm interested in having all cameras tested and added to my list. Also because the video modes/features sometimes change between models, which translates to different readout strategies as well. So any Fuji owners who would like to contribute please PM me. You can read the submission guide here to see what's involved - it takes about 45 minutes your first time, much faster after that if you have multiple models you're contributing.
p.13 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote: nhsonyshooter wroteFred Miranda wrotenhsonyshooter wroteWell my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.Could you share what was the deal break for you?There really was not one thing. Kinda like death by a thousand paper cuts. I had always liked the look of these but never really considered them as an option for me till they added the 40mp sensor and IBIS. After some testing the last couple days I think the lens is acceptably sharp in the center and the sensor is pretty good. IBIS not bad either. I have been using RV and CR body's which have some of the best AF in the business. This camera is just not in the same league but to be fair it is priced well under both. So I probably had my expectations set too high. That said I don't want to be even thinking about AF in a fixed lens camera like this. Yet there I was constantly checking. I felt like I got too many false positives. Meaning green box showing focus (when it didn't disappear) and then punching in only to find it not really in focus but almost. I dove deep into the menu's and really tried to test everything I could. Surely it had to be on me. The best way I can describe it is it just is not as refined as my latest Sony's. The software is dare I say Glitchy in some cases. I just assumed in a version 6 camera it would be more sorted. I know I'll probably get roasted for saying that. But this is just my personal opinion. Is it possible to take nice images with it, sure. I have seen plenty and took a couple myself. I do like some of those film simulations. But in the end I just felt like it was fighting me in too many instances. That's not what I'm looking for in an EDC type of camera. But Hey with it being the best selling camera ever made what do I know. I wanted to like it. I really did.Personally, I really value opinions like yours. It's great that you were curious, gave it a try, but found it wasn't your cup of tea.
When it comes to the menu, I initially had a similar struggle with Fuji's extensive options. The multitude of choices can be overwhelming and confusing, especially with options like DR 200, DR 400, and D Range Priority. Understanding what these options do and how they affect the final image, particularly regarding RAW files (RAF), can be a bit tricky. It's definitely a learning curve, and I only grasped what's actually happening to the raw file after spending some time experimenting with all the options. I stuck with it to learn the system so I could effectively review lenses for the X-mount system.
Over time, though, I became more comfortable with the settings and started enjoying the camera more, especially once I settled into a consistent setup that I rarely change. The Film Simulations feature really changed the way I approached shooting, and being able to do some pre-editing in-camera shifted my mindset towards getting the image right straight out of the camera, reminiscent of shooting film. That's one of the things I find most attractive about Fuji cameras right now.
You mentioned the autofocus sometimes being inaccurate on the X100VI, which would be frustrating, especially when you expect quick and accurate autofocus, particularly for tracking subjects. That's why, for me, if I'm using an AF camera, I really want it to perform well in that regard. Otherwise, I tend to stick with manual focus lenses. While I do own a few Fuji XF lenses and find their autofocus very good and accurate, perhaps the issue lies with the X100VI built-in lens, which may not be quick enough to keep up with the AF algorithm.
As for glitches, I haven't experienced any with my X-Pro3, but it's possible that I bought it with a firmware version that had already been thoroughly tested and refined. Considering experiences like yours with the X100VI, I'm leaning towards sticking with a Fuji with interchangeable lenses, allowing me to choose lenses that perform well in the AF department....Show more →
I don't want anyone to use my experience to determine if they should buy it or not. Especially if they have prior or current Fuji cameras. Even though I spent a good amount of time experimenting with all the settings the fact still remains this was my first Fuji. So odds are pretty good I thought I had settings set correctly for me but might not have in some cases. I think it just came down to a feeling you get with a particular camera. This particular camera was just not for me. That does not make it bad. As mentioned I am intrigued now having experienced the film simulations. I think I will watch and see if they come out with maybe an X-E5. If they added the same sensor,IBIS, and updated AF. Although not as compact. That might end up being a better fit for me.
https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/Looks like the X100VI sensor readout using this technique is about 36 mS for single shot uncompressed rawThanks! I sent you a PM about getting hold of the sample images and possibly video clips so that I can post the full stats to the GitHub repository.
p.13 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
nhsonyshooter, you wrote: " I think I will watch and see if they come out with maybe an X-E5. If they added the same sensor,IBIS, and updated AF. Although not as compact. That might end up being a better fit for me."
FYI, I have an X-E4 and its body is actually more compact than the X100V. With a pancake lens it's about the same, depending on the lens. Like you, if they come out with an X-E5 with IBIS and 40 MP sensor I'll preorder one in a heartbeat.
p.13 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I got through about 45 seconds of the video and it smelled so much of sponsored advertisement I didn’t bother continuing to watch the opinions.
For those who did - evangelist or Fuji photographer / paid promo?
jojib wrote:
Lee Zavitz is one of my favourite youtube reviewers/photographers because my style is similar to his. He seems to be more than fine with the eye-AF tracking.
I haven't received mine yet but just in case the AF-C is sluggish (my A6700 + Touit 32/1.8 is like this) my fallback position is to apply Topaz AI. Hopefully I won't have to use it maybe on challenging lighting situations i.e. subject is heavily back or side lit by the sun.
p.13 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Not sure if Lee is a Fuji guy because I've seen his videos using either Sony or Canon (can't remember). I like him because he does a lot of photoshoots like me. Thus I focused on his portraits shots with the eye-AF turned on.
I also follow Manny Ortiz and Julia Trotti on YouTube because they do a lot of model shoots as well. I also follow Fro(knows Photo) for his sports shots which I also do occasionally. I think Manny already had his preview but still waiting for Julia and Fro to do actual model shoots with their X100VI. It doesn't matter though because I already placed an order a few hours after the announcement.
I think I am done with all the reviews though as well as all the unboxing I saw on X100VI Facebook groups. Presently I am just going through the images from the owners who were lucky enough to get in the first batch releases. I'm super excited to get mine whenever that will be.
p.13 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Lee has shot and reviewed a ton of Fuji gear, but he'll never shoot straight about Fuji gear in his comment section in my experience. Most of these guys don't want to look gift views in the mouth, so they take mostly positive stances on all their loaned gear.
Lee is 100% a Sony guy though for his "real" work and YT production (go watch his recent studio tour).
Let's be real though, nothing Lee does portrait-wise needs any special gear. He's got nearly static models in naturally lit outdoor shoots that any braindead focus and recompose shooter could replicate.
p.13 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
h00ligan wrote:
I got through about 45 seconds of the video and it smelled so much of sponsored advertisement I didn’t bother continuing to watch the opinions.
For those who did - evangelist or Fuji photographer / paid promo?
So you might not be interested in this interview with FujiFilm Canada Senior Technical Brand Manager. Audio is bad at first but gets better.
p.13 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
Lee has shot and reviewed a ton of Fuji gear, but he'll never shoot straight about Fuji gear in his comment section in my experience. Most of these guys don't want to look gift views in the mouth, so they take mostly positive stances on all their loaned gear.
Lee is 100% a Sony guy though for his "real" work and YT production (go watch his recent studio tour).
Let's be real though, nothing Lee does portrait-wise needs any special gear. He's got nearly static models in naturally lit outdoor shoots that any braindead focus and recompose shooter could replicate.
Agreed on pretty much all of this. Most of the usual suspects in the YT camera review space are never going to be 100% honest about the products in their hands.
There are a couple of folks I’ll give a little more credit to (Chris and Jordan from DPReview/Petapixel for example), but everyone who has content ready to go on the first wave of YT videos immediately gets an eyebrow raise.
Practically speaking, when shooting stills, switching to 'continuous' mode results in a 1/40s sensor readout, whereas in normal mode, it's only 1/30s. Correct?
Practically speaking, when shooting stills, switching to 'continuous' mode results in a 1/40s sensor readout, whereas in normal mode, it's only 1/30s. Correct?
Yep, that's right (1/27 vs 1/41). Keep in mind the highest continuous mode involves a crop - the resolution drops to 24MP.
Practically speaking, when shooting stills, switching to 'continuous' mode results in a 1/40s sensor readout, whereas in normal mode, it's only 1/30s. Correct?Yep, that's right (1/27 vs 1/41). Keep in mind continuous mode involves a crop - the resolution drops to 24MP.
I never knew about the crop for continuous. Shows you how I use my camera!
p.13 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote: snapsy wroteFred Miranda wrotesnapsy wroteI've just posted the full sensor readout stats, courtesy of @AZ Photo@@@@ generous submission:
Practically speaking, when shooting stills, switching to 'continuous' mode results in a 1/40s sensor readout, whereas in normal mode, it's only 1/30s. Correct?Yep, that's right (1/27 vs 1/41). Keep in mind continuous mode involves a crop - the resolution drops to 24MP.I never knew about the crop for continuous. Shows you how I use my camera!
I just checked the manual to see which specific continuous modes the 1.29x crop applies - it's for the 10fps, 13fps and 20fps and not for the 11fps, 8fps, and 3-6fps modes. Odd. This is on page 384 of the full manual (PDF page 412).
p.13 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
snapsy wrote: RoamingScott wrotesnapsy wroteFred Miranda wrotesnapsy wroteI've just posted the full sensor readout stats, courtesy of @AZ Photo@@@@@ generous submission:
Practically speaking, when shooting stills, switching to 'continuous' mode results in a 1/40s sensor readout, whereas in normal mode, it's only 1/30s. Correct?Yep, that's right (1/27 vs 1/41). Keep in mind continuous mode involves a crop - the resolution drops to 24MP.I never knew about the crop for continuous. Shows you how I use my camera!I just checked the manual to see which specific continuous modes the 1.29x crop applies - it's for the 10fps, 13fps and 20fps and not for the 11fps, 8fps, and 3-6fps modes. Odd. This is on page 384 of the full manual (PDF page 412).
p.13 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote: snapsy wroteRoamingScott wrotesnapsy wroteFred Miranda wrotesnapsy wroteI've just posted the full sensor readout stats, courtesy of @AZ Photo@@@@@@ generous submission:
Practically speaking, when shooting stills, switching to 'continuous' mode results in a 1/40s sensor readout, whereas in normal mode, it's only 1/30s. Correct?Yep, that's right (1/27 vs 1/41). Keep in mind continuous mode involves a crop - the resolution drops to 24MP.I never knew about the crop for continuous. Shows you how I use my camera!I just checked the manual to see which specific continuous modes the 1.29x crop applies - it's for the 10fps, 13fps and 20fps and not for the 11fps, 8fps, and 3-6fps modes. Odd. This is on page 384 of the full manual (PDF page 412).Wouldn't those be the electronic shutter speeds?
Right, the sensor readout speed is only factor for the electronic shutter, otherwise it's the travel speed of the mechanical shutter which determines what if any rolling shutter distortion will occur.
p.13 #20X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote: snapsy wroteRoamingScott wrotesnapsy wroteFred Miranda wrotesnapsy wroteI've just posted the full sensor readout stats, courtesy of @AZ Photo@@@@@@ generous submission:
Practically speaking, when shooting stills, switching to 'continuous' mode results in a 1/40s sensor readout, whereas in normal mode, it's only 1/30s. Correct?Yep, that's right (1/27 vs 1/41). Keep in mind continuous mode involves a crop - the resolution drops to 24MP.I never knew about the crop for continuous. Shows you how I use my camera!I just checked the manual to see which specific continuous modes the 1.29x crop applies - it's for the 10fps, 13fps and 20fps and not for the 11fps, 8fps, and 3-6fps modes. Odd. This is on page 384 of the full manual (PDF page 412).Wouldn't those be the electronic shutter speeds?
Yes, the 1.29x crop only occurs when you're shooting in electronic shutter mode. (10, 13 and 20FPS)
So, the question is: Does the sensor-readout speed of approximately 1/40 apply to both continuous drive mechanical and electronic shutter modes? Or is it's just for ES in crop mode?