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p.12 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
… the ability to "take the wheel" in the areas the camera can stink at, like AF...
If we subtract the “the camera can stink at” part of this point, it is a pretty important one.
Photographers sometimes presume that AF (even on cameras that, uh, smell good) should be able to work perfectly in all situations — reading their minds about what the intended subject is in a complex scene, following subjects as they pass behind and in front of other potential subjects, knowing that you placed your primary subject in the lower center on this shot and at the upper left on that one, knowing what do do when the subject moves outside of the area you have defined for AF, focusing on that tree when you have the camera set to follow birds, and much more.
Even when using a very competent and advanced AF system, the process isn’t automatically perfect. There are going to be misses — which could be caused by a whole range of issues including the user’s ability to understand and optimize how the AF system works on their camera in the situations in which they use it.
True with every AF camera, whether great, excellent, pretty good, or at the bottom of the heap.
… the ability to "take the wheel" in the areas the camera can stink at, like AF...
If we subtract the “the camera can stink at” part of this point, it is a pretty important one.
Photographers sometimes presume that AF (even on cameras that, uh, smell good) should be able to work perfectly in all situations — reading their minds about what the intended subject is in a complex scene, following subjects as they pass behind and in front of other potential subjects, knowing that you placed your primary subject in the lower center on this shot and at the upper left on that one, knowing what do do when the subject moves outside of the area you have defined for AF, focusing on that tree when you have the camera set to follow birds, and much more.
Even when using a very competent and advanced AF system, the process isn’t automatically perfect. There are going to be misses — which could be caused by a whole range of issues including the user’s ability to understand and optimize how the AF system works on their camera in the situations in which they use it.
True with every AF camera, whether great, excellent, pretty good, or at the bottom of the heap.
Mar 11, 2024 at 09:33 AM
p.12 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
FWIW, while I haven't done a complete side-by-side comparison of both the X-Pro3 w/23f2 vs the X100V, I have shot both at a professional boxing (I know, I know. Crazy setup) and at mid-range to full length shots at distances around 10ft or so there really isn't much of a difference in either lens sharpness or focus acquisition. I will say I did have more keepers that night from the X100V, and that lens doesn't have the tendency to bloom as much and lose contrast when the subject is backlit. Also, I would say the X100V is sharper a closer distances (anything under 3ft or so). Both are very good setups, but I would still prefer the X100V for its compactness and I have since sold off the 23mmf2 for the new 23mm1.4 WR. Now that lens, woo wee!
Mar 11, 2024 at 10:16 AM
p.12 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Tapper wrote:
I actually ordered an A7CII last week to directly compare with my newly arrived X100VI, and ended up returning the A7CII.
For me, it came down to 3 things.
(1) I hated the loud clack of the A7CII's mechanical shutter, whereas the X100VI's leaf shutter is sublime and I wouldn't feel out of place using it in quiet public spaces. Sure, one can just use ES instead, but that has its other issues.
(2) I wanted a small and light compact setup and once you put a lens on the A7CII it does become noticeably larger and heavier.
(3) A7CII + 40m f2.5...Show more →
Thanks, that's a useful perspective. I think for the elderly family members I have in mind, who will be hard pressed to keep various grandchildren in the frame at the best of times, AF performance is the #1 priority. I don't think shutter noise is likely to be an issue given the amount of noise generated by the subjects! A smaller body would have been nice but there's no point if the focus can't keep up.
The low light performance of the X100VI seems alright to me, I wouldn't have thought that was a disabling factor. It does get a bit posterised and you lose tonality at higher ISOs, but I think it's quite decent overall.
_Refraction wrote
There I'm now looking into an A7C II plus perhaps Sigma I 35 combination among others.For me, it came down to 3 things.
(1) I hated the loud clack of the A7CII's mechanical shutter, whereas the X100VI's leaf shutter is sublime and I wouldn't feel out of place using it in quiet public spaces. Sure, one can just use ES instead, but that has its other issues.
(2) I wanted a small and light compact setup and once you put a lens on the A7CII it does become noticeably larger and heavier.
(3) A7CII + 40m f2.5...Show more →
Thanks, that's a useful perspective. I think for the elderly family members I have in mind, who will be hard pressed to keep various grandchildren in the frame at the best of times, AF performance is the #1 priority. I don't think shutter noise is likely to be an issue given the amount of noise generated by the subjects! A smaller body would have been nice but there's no point if the focus can't keep up.
The low light performance of the X100VI seems alright to me, I wouldn't have thought that was a disabling factor. It does get a bit posterised and you lose tonality at higher ISOs, but I think it's quite decent overall.
Mar 11, 2024 at 10:16 AM
p.12 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
johnvanr wrote:
And if he had gotten a loaner from Fuji, people would have complained that he was biased. It’s a no-win situation for reviewers, unless they can afford to buy all cameras outright.
Cry me a river. Either do legitimate reviews or don't do them at all. This guy is ripping off a retailer and is too dumb to try and hide it. I presume he doesn't think its wrong or he wouldn't freely talk about it on the internet. To me, everything he says after that is suspect as well. I don't believe "people were staring" at him because he had a new version of a camera that looks identical to one that has been out for years. The guy in the cafe he's been staring at finally looks at him as if to say, "what do you want", I suppose that was because of the camera too. He's walking around, dressed in dark clothes, filming himself talking. Totally normal, nothing to see here.
SGinNorcal wrote
The Samuel Streetlife YT seemed like one of the worst YT camera reviews I have seen. But I suppose I was immediately turned off by his statement about not intending to keep the camera, just return it after his review. I think its dishonest to purchase something without any intention of keeping it. The reseller is going to have to resell it as an "open box" at some sort of discount. Not to mention eating the cost of fulfilling his order and then restocking it. His approach is wrong, he's mooching off a generous return policy.Cry me a river. Either do legitimate reviews or don't do them at all. This guy is ripping off a retailer and is too dumb to try and hide it. I presume he doesn't think its wrong or he wouldn't freely talk about it on the internet. To me, everything he says after that is suspect as well. I don't believe "people were staring" at him because he had a new version of a camera that looks identical to one that has been out for years. The guy in the cafe he's been staring at finally looks at him as if to say, "what do you want", I suppose that was because of the camera too. He's walking around, dressed in dark clothes, filming himself talking. Totally normal, nothing to see here.
Mar 11, 2024 at 10:21 AM
p.12 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
_Refraction wrote:
I actually ordered an A7CII last week to directly compare with my newly arrived X100VI, and ended up returning the A7CII.
For me, it came down to 3 things.
(1) I hated the loud clack of the A7CII's mechanical shutter, whereas the X100VI's leaf shutter is sublime and I wouldn't feel out of place using it in quiet public spaces. Sure, one can just use ES instead, but that has its other issues.
(2) I wanted a small and light compact setup and once you put a lens on the A7CII it does become noticeably larger and heavier.
(3) A7CII + 40m f2.5 G costs nearly twice the price, and it seemed like overkill for my needs right now.
Having said that, I thought the A7CII felt good in the hand, looked pretty nice (I had the silver) and the EVF was actually pretty nice. And sure, I know the AF will utterly smoke the Fuji, but I don't intend to shoot many fast subjects with the VI. And I know the FF sensor will smoke the Fuji in low light, but for almost half the price I'm OK with the Fuji's low light output.
That's just me, and I absolutely get why others would make the opposite choice, especially if you're looking to change to a new FF system and don't mind the costs etc.Thanks, that's a useful perspective. I think for the elderly family members I have in mind, who will be hard pressed to keep various grandchildren in the frame at the best of times, AF performance is the #1 priority. I don't think shutter noise is likely to be an issue given the amount of noise generated by the subjects! A smaller body would have been nice but there's no point if the focus can't keep up.
The low light performance of the X100VI seems alright to me, I wouldn't have thought that was a disabling factor. It does get a...Show more →
Doesn't the Sony a6700 have really good AF? Seems like a camera to pair with a either a small prime or a small zoom, set to Wide Area AF with subject detection, and let them go nuts. The olds will never tell the functional difference between APS-C and FF for their uses.
Tapper wrote
_Refraction wrote
There I'm now looking into an A7C II plus perhaps Sigma I 35 combination among others.For me, it came down to 3 things.
(1) I hated the loud clack of the A7CII's mechanical shutter, whereas the X100VI's leaf shutter is sublime and I wouldn't feel out of place using it in quiet public spaces. Sure, one can just use ES instead, but that has its other issues.
(2) I wanted a small and light compact setup and once you put a lens on the A7CII it does become noticeably larger and heavier.
(3) A7CII + 40m f2.5 G costs nearly twice the price, and it seemed like overkill for my needs right now.
Having said that, I thought the A7CII felt good in the hand, looked pretty nice (I had the silver) and the EVF was actually pretty nice. And sure, I know the AF will utterly smoke the Fuji, but I don't intend to shoot many fast subjects with the VI. And I know the FF sensor will smoke the Fuji in low light, but for almost half the price I'm OK with the Fuji's low light output.
That's just me, and I absolutely get why others would make the opposite choice, especially if you're looking to change to a new FF system and don't mind the costs etc.
The low light performance of the X100VI seems alright to me, I wouldn't have thought that was a disabling factor. It does get a...Show more →
Doesn't the Sony a6700 have really good AF? Seems like a camera to pair with a either a small prime or a small zoom, set to Wide Area AF with subject detection, and let them go nuts. The olds will never tell the functional difference between APS-C and FF for their uses.
Mar 11, 2024 at 10:24 AM
p.12 #6X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
I had a friend ask me if the V would make a good first camera, to which I emphatically told them no. The nuance to eke out the best of the camera comes from having experience in other areas of photography, a complete understanding of exposure, a solid grasp of color and contrast, and the ability to "take the wheel" in the areas the camera can stink at, like AF.
Hmm I would be a bit more generous actually - I think it could be a good first camera for the sort of person who has been spending $20 or whatever on Halide or another of the iOS/Android advanced camera apps, and gotten the photography bug from that. If they are willing to take the initiative and move beyond their phone manufacturer's camera app and play around with settings in something like Halide, moving up to something like the X100VI wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
Not sure about the grasp of colour and contrast...sure that always helps, but isn't a large part of the appeal of Fuji's film simulations precisely that many users will never have to think about colour or contrast beyond simply choosing a film sim (or 3 in the bracket)?
RoamingScott wrote:
In no world would I hand it to my parents and expect decent shots the way I have it set up, maximized to play to its (and my!) strengths.
To be clear, I wasn't suggesting I'd hand my personal camera to the oldies and expect them to manage - what I am looking for is a camera which I can configure to work for them. I was hoping the X100VI would be it, unfortunately I don't think it is, as good as it is for other uses.
I had a friend ask me if the V would make a good first camera, to which I emphatically told them no. The nuance to eke out the best of the camera comes from having experience in other areas of photography, a complete understanding of exposure, a solid grasp of color and contrast, and the ability to "take the wheel" in the areas the camera can stink at, like AF.
Hmm I would be a bit more generous actually - I think it could be a good first camera for the sort of person who has been spending $20 or whatever on Halide or another of the iOS/Android advanced camera apps, and gotten the photography bug from that. If they are willing to take the initiative and move beyond their phone manufacturer's camera app and play around with settings in something like Halide, moving up to something like the X100VI wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
Not sure about the grasp of colour and contrast...sure that always helps, but isn't a large part of the appeal of Fuji's film simulations precisely that many users will never have to think about colour or contrast beyond simply choosing a film sim (or 3 in the bracket)?
RoamingScott wrote:
In no world would I hand it to my parents and expect decent shots the way I have it set up, maximized to play to its (and my!) strengths.
To be clear, I wasn't suggesting I'd hand my personal camera to the oldies and expect them to manage - what I am looking for is a camera which I can configure to work for them. I was hoping the X100VI would be it, unfortunately I don't think it is, as good as it is for other uses.
Mar 11, 2024 at 10:26 AM
p.12 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
Doesn't the Sony a6700 have really good AF? Seems like a camera to pair with a either a small prime or a small zoom, set to Wide Area AF with subject detection, and let them go nuts. The olds will never tell the functional difference between APS-C and FF for their uses.
Yep I was looking at that but (i) the lens selection doesn't really seem to be there for Sony APS-C outside the new 16-55 zoom, and (ii) my usual camera store is doing some solid discounts on the A7Cii so the price difference isn't all that great.
The oldies definitely won't be able to tell the difference, no. I will though and I don't mind spending a bit extra for the (admittedly incremental) improvements in the family archival material for the next generation.
Doesn't the Sony a6700 have really good AF? Seems like a camera to pair with a either a small prime or a small zoom, set to Wide Area AF with subject detection, and let them go nuts. The olds will never tell the functional difference between APS-C and FF for their uses.
Yep I was looking at that but (i) the lens selection doesn't really seem to be there for Sony APS-C outside the new 16-55 zoom, and (ii) my usual camera store is doing some solid discounts on the A7Cii so the price difference isn't all that great.
The oldies definitely won't be able to tell the difference, no. I will though and I don't mind spending a bit extra for the (admittedly incremental) improvements in the family archival material for the next generation.
Mar 11, 2024 at 10:33 AM
p.12 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
SGinNorcal wrote:
And if he had gotten a loaner from Fuji, people would have complained that he was biased. It’s a no-win situation for reviewers, unless they can afford to buy all cameras outright.Cry me a river. Either do legitimate reviews or don't do them at all. This guy is ripping off a retailer and is too dumb to try and hide it. I presume he doesn't think its wrong or he wouldn't freely talk about it on the internet. To me, everything he says after that is suspect as well. I don't believe "people were staring" at him because he had a new version of a camera that looks identical to one that has been out for years. The guy in the cafe he's been staring at finally looks at him as...Show more →
Funny, I didn't even bother seeing his review as he totally biased over Ricoh, being their ambassador or something.
johnvanr wrote
SGinNorcal wrote
The Samuel Streetlife YT seemed like one of the worst YT camera reviews I have seen. But I suppose I was immediately turned off by his statement about not intending to keep the camera, just return it after his review. I think its dishonest to purchase something without any intention of keeping it. The reseller is going to have to resell it as an "open box" at some sort of discount. Not to mention eating the cost of fulfilling his order and then restocking it. His approach is wrong, he's mooching off a generous return policy.Funny, I didn't even bother seeing his review as he totally biased over Ricoh, being their ambassador or something.
Mar 11, 2024 at 10:57 AM
p.12 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote:
The thing that struck me most strongly was the quick comparison of sharpness and detail between the Ricoh and the Fuji when he took the shots of his son. I think this calls for some test chart testing to confirm his findings. But the side by side shots he presented are pretty dramatic. Go to 21:40 in his video to see the comparison. How does one reconcile that discrepancy?
Not sure that anyone can judge anything from the weird mobile phone instagram screencap shown in the youtube video!
As someone who also tested the X100VI on toddlers/small children - but with WAY more samples, variety of lighting, apertures and shutter speeds than this joke of a "review" managed - the lens on my sample certainly wasn't tack sharp at f/2 and close up but it wasn't at all bad, it comes off as a lower contrast lens wide open (like the black mist look) and sharpens up considerably when stopped down. Similar behaviour to the Q2 lens in that respect.
FWIW I managed to get nicely focused and sharp eyes from children who briefly consented to remain still/were bribed with snacks to be stationary, just not all that many turned out like that in action. I also shot a bunch of aperture series at medium to longer distances, there the lens seems surprisingly solid once stopped down, though unsurprisingly falls off towards the edges and corners.
I don't know if some of this sort of dissatisfaction comes from the calibration of expectations. Personally I wasn't expecting performance like the GF primes or RF primes, for the price, so I'm not at all disappointed or underwhelmed. Perhaps people think that the hype means the lens should be absolutely stellar at all apertures and distances - but that's clearly not consistent with compactness and light weight being design drivers, let alone the price.
The thing that struck me most strongly was the quick comparison of sharpness and detail between the Ricoh and the Fuji when he took the shots of his son. I think this calls for some test chart testing to confirm his findings. But the side by side shots he presented are pretty dramatic. Go to 21:40 in his video to see the comparison. How does one reconcile that discrepancy?
Not sure that anyone can judge anything from the weird mobile phone instagram screencap shown in the youtube video!
As someone who also tested the X100VI on toddlers/small children - but with WAY more samples, variety of lighting, apertures and shutter speeds than this joke of a "review" managed - the lens on my sample certainly wasn't tack sharp at f/2 and close up but it wasn't at all bad, it comes off as a lower contrast lens wide open (like the black mist look) and sharpens up considerably when stopped down. Similar behaviour to the Q2 lens in that respect.
FWIW I managed to get nicely focused and sharp eyes from children who briefly consented to remain still/were bribed with snacks to be stationary, just not all that many turned out like that in action. I also shot a bunch of aperture series at medium to longer distances, there the lens seems surprisingly solid once stopped down, though unsurprisingly falls off towards the edges and corners.
I don't know if some of this sort of dissatisfaction comes from the calibration of expectations. Personally I wasn't expecting performance like the GF primes or RF primes, for the price, so I'm not at all disappointed or underwhelmed. Perhaps people think that the hype means the lens should be absolutely stellar at all apertures and distances - but that's clearly not consistent with compactness and light weight being design drivers, let alone the price.
Mar 11, 2024 at 11:02 AM
p.12 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
gdanmitchell wrote:
If we subtract the “the camera can stink at” part of this point, it is a pretty important one.
(even on cameras that, uh, smell good) .
Comment of the year so far Dan 🧐
RoamingScott wrote
… the ability to "take the wheel" in the areas the camera can stink at, like AF...(even on cameras that, uh, smell good) .
Comment of the year so far Dan 🧐
Mar 11, 2024 at 11:20 AM
p.12 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I had an X100V, which I found to not really keep up with my kids (5 and 3) all that well, whereas my X-T5 does a fantastic job, even with the old 18 f2 and 35 f1.4. Thus, I'm really hoping that the VI's AF that it inherited from the X-T5 does a better job than the X100V's AF. I've been told my copy is arriving this week, so I'll know for myself soon enough.
The main reason we got the VI is actually for my wife, as she is doing a lot of social media/photography + traveling for her job, so she wants the smaller camera. I'll also be using it as my traveling camera alongside my Z8 + 600PF, as I like to bird anywhere I go, but then have a small camera for the family snaps while out and about. Had tried to incorporate a set of Nikon Z primes to go along with the Z8, but my god, that setup is gigantic and not fun to use for casual shooting, no way would I want to lug that around on a trip. While I do take my X-T5 and primes along, and they're relatively small/light, it still requires a camera bag, and I can't just slip them in a pocket.
Lastly... I can't get quote or multi-quote to work here. Had intended to reply to a few users here, but don't have the patience to manually put together a post with multiple quotes.
The main reason we got the VI is actually for my wife, as she is doing a lot of social media/photography + traveling for her job, so she wants the smaller camera. I'll also be using it as my traveling camera alongside my Z8 + 600PF, as I like to bird anywhere I go, but then have a small camera for the family snaps while out and about. Had tried to incorporate a set of Nikon Z primes to go along with the Z8, but my god, that setup is gigantic and not fun to use for casual shooting, no way would I want to lug that around on a trip. While I do take my X-T5 and primes along, and they're relatively small/light, it still requires a camera bag, and I can't just slip them in a pocket.
Lastly... I can't get quote or multi-quote to work here. Had intended to reply to a few users here, but don't have the patience to manually put together a post with multiple quotes.
Mar 11, 2024 at 11:41 AM
p.12 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
SGinNorcal wrote:
And if he had gotten a loaner from Fuji, people would have complained that he was biased. It’s a no-win situation for reviewers, unless they can afford to buy all cameras outright.Cry me a river. Either do legitimate reviews or don't do them at all. This guy is ripping off a retailer and is too dumb to try and hide it. I presume he doesn't think its wrong or he wouldn't freely talk about it on the internet. To me, everything he says after that is suspect as well. I don't believe "people were staring" at him because he had a new version of a camera that looks identical to one that has been out for years. The guy in the cafe he's been staring at finally looks at him as...Show more →
As he explains in the comments to his video, he preordered the camera but after using it was disappointed, couldn't convince himself to keep it, and decided to return it. If that was his intent then he isn't "ripping off the retailer," he's just doing what a lot of people do with things they have purchased. B&H and Amazon offer that return policy. As for the retailer, maybe they'll list it on eBay for $2200 and thank him for it.
johnvanr wrote
SGinNorcal wrote
The Samuel Streetlife YT seemed like one of the worst YT camera reviews I have seen. But I suppose I was immediately turned off by his statement about not intending to keep the camera, just return it after his review. I think its dishonest to purchase something without any intention of keeping it. The reseller is going to have to resell it as an "open box" at some sort of discount. Not to mention eating the cost of fulfilling his order and then restocking it. His approach is wrong, he's mooching off a generous return policy.As he explains in the comments to his video, he preordered the camera but after using it was disappointed, couldn't convince himself to keep it, and decided to return it. If that was his intent then he isn't "ripping off the retailer," he's just doing what a lot of people do with things they have purchased. B&H and Amazon offer that return policy. As for the retailer, maybe they'll list it on eBay for $2200 and thank him for it.
Mar 11, 2024 at 12:50 PM
p.12 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote:
I think you'll get a lot of variance in your answers on this one. I have a V and haven't had an issue with autofocus at all. I use if for "street" shooting, sometimes people, events... But when I need fast AF, such as for sports or wildlife, the V is the last camera I would use.Thank you! I'm surprised that there hasn't been a side-by-side comparison of cameras like the X-Pro3 + XF 23/2 and X100V specifically on autofocus performance. Both cameras share similar specs, including the OVF, which makes such a comparison intriguing. In my experience, using the X-Pro3 and X-E4 with the XF 23/2 lens has shown remarkably fast autofocus, even when it comes to tracking subjects. In fact, this lens stands out as the fastest autofocus lens I've tried on a Fuji camera to date...
I don't have a 23mm lens for my Xpro3 but the 90mm also isn't a slouch when it comes to autofocus and tracking a subject.
Sharona wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I'd like to hear from people who've actually used both setups, not just watched videos. Can you tell me how fast and accurate the autofocus is on the X100V or X100VI compared to the X-Pro3 or X-E4 with the XF 23mm f/2 WR lens? I've found the latter setup pretty good, though not as good as Sony. I haven't tried an X100 series camera myself, and I'm curious if it's noticeably worse, as some comments suggest, possibly due to the lens.I don't have a 23mm lens for my Xpro3 but the 90mm also isn't a slouch when it comes to autofocus and tracking a subject.
Mar 11, 2024 at 01:22 PM
p.12 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote:
As he explains in the comments to his video, he preordered the camera but after using it was disappointed, couldn't convince himself to keep it, and decided to return it. If that was his intent then he isn't "ripping off the retailer," he's just doing what a lot of people do with things they have purchased. B&H and Amazon offer that return policy. As for the retailer, maybe they'll list it on eBay for $2200 and thank him for it.
Except he doesn't say that at all. Its literally the first couple sentences of the video, "I bought this just to do this review then I'm sending it back". So he is ripping off the retailer. Just because other people may do it doesn't make it perfectly acceptable. The return policy is supposed to be for people who didn't get what they expected. Its not intended to be a loaner program. Abuse of policies like this are why they are rare these days, too many people abusing it.
I don't care what he says about the camera, initially he recommends it but then suggests Fuji is building an "image" camera which is all conjecture on his part. Then he bitches about missing a photo op at the beach, then stalks a guy at the cafe. I turned it off at that point before losing to much more time that I won't get back.
As he explains in the comments to his video, he preordered the camera but after using it was disappointed, couldn't convince himself to keep it, and decided to return it. If that was his intent then he isn't "ripping off the retailer," he's just doing what a lot of people do with things they have purchased. B&H and Amazon offer that return policy. As for the retailer, maybe they'll list it on eBay for $2200 and thank him for it.
Except he doesn't say that at all. Its literally the first couple sentences of the video, "I bought this just to do this review then I'm sending it back". So he is ripping off the retailer. Just because other people may do it doesn't make it perfectly acceptable. The return policy is supposed to be for people who didn't get what they expected. Its not intended to be a loaner program. Abuse of policies like this are why they are rare these days, too many people abusing it.
I don't care what he says about the camera, initially he recommends it but then suggests Fuji is building an "image" camera which is all conjecture on his part. Then he bitches about missing a photo op at the beach, then stalks a guy at the cafe. I turned it off at that point before losing to much more time that I won't get back.
Mar 11, 2024 at 02:06 PM
p.12 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Who effin cares?
Back on track, boys.
Back on track, boys.
Mar 11, 2024 at 02:14 PM
p.12 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Well my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.
Mar 11, 2024 at 06:00 PM
p.12 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Well my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.
Could you share what was the deal break for you?
Well my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.
Could you share what was the deal break for you?
Mar 11, 2024 at 06:22 PM
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p.12 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Well my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.
How much were those 8 people willing to pay?
Well my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.
How much were those 8 people willing to pay?
Mar 11, 2024 at 06:28 PM
p.12 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote:
Could you share what was the deal break for you?
There really was not one thing. Kinda like death by a thousand paper cuts. I had always liked the look of these but never really considered them as an option for me till they added the 40mp sensor and IBIS. After some testing the last couple days I think the lens is acceptably sharp in the center and the sensor is pretty good. IBIS not bad either. I have been using RV and CR body's which have some of the best AF in the business. This camera is just not in the same league but to be fair it is priced well under both. So I probably had my expectations set too high. That said I don't want to be even thinking about AF in a fixed lens camera like this. Yet there I was constantly checking. I felt like I got too many false positives. Meaning green box showing focus (when it didn't disappear) and then punching in only to find it not really in focus but almost. I dove deep into the menu's and really tried to test everything I could. Surely it had to be on me. The best way I can describe it is it just is not as refined as my latest Sony's. The software is dare I say Glitchy in some cases. I just assumed in a version 6 camera it would be more sorted. I know I'll probably get roasted for saying that. But this is just my personal opinion. Is it possible to take nice images with it, sure. I have seen plenty and took a couple myself. I do like some of those film simulations. But in the end I just felt like it was fighting me in too many instances. That's not what I'm looking for in an EDC type of camera. But Hey with it being the best selling camera ever made what do I know. I wanted to like it. I really did.
nhsonyshooter wrote
Well my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.There really was not one thing. Kinda like death by a thousand paper cuts. I had always liked the look of these but never really considered them as an option for me till they added the 40mp sensor and IBIS. After some testing the last couple days I think the lens is acceptably sharp in the center and the sensor is pretty good. IBIS not bad either. I have been using RV and CR body's which have some of the best AF in the business. This camera is just not in the same league but to be fair it is priced well under both. So I probably had my expectations set too high. That said I don't want to be even thinking about AF in a fixed lens camera like this. Yet there I was constantly checking. I felt like I got too many false positives. Meaning green box showing focus (when it didn't disappear) and then punching in only to find it not really in focus but almost. I dove deep into the menu's and really tried to test everything I could. Surely it had to be on me. The best way I can describe it is it just is not as refined as my latest Sony's. The software is dare I say Glitchy in some cases. I just assumed in a version 6 camera it would be more sorted. I know I'll probably get roasted for saying that. But this is just my personal opinion. Is it possible to take nice images with it, sure. I have seen plenty and took a couple myself. I do like some of those film simulations. But in the end I just felt like it was fighting me in too many instances. That's not what I'm looking for in an EDC type of camera. But Hey with it being the best selling camera ever made what do I know. I wanted to like it. I really did.
Mar 11, 2024 at 07:52 PM
p.12 #20X100VI first impressions + running commentary
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Could you share what was the deal break for you?There really was not one thing. Kinda like death by a thousand paper cuts. I had always liked the look of these but never really considered them as an option for me till they added the 40mp sensor and IBIS. After some testing the last couple days I think the lens is acceptably sharp in the center and the sensor is pretty good. IBIS not bad either. I have been using RV and CR body's which have some of the best AF in the business. This camera is just not in the same league but to be fair it is...Show more →
Personally, I really value opinions like yours. It's great that you were curious, gave it a try, but found it wasn't your cup of tea.
When it comes to the menu, I initially had a similar struggle with Fuji's extensive options. The multitude of choices can be overwhelming and confusing, especially with options like DR 200, DR 400, and D Range Priority. Understanding what these options do and how they affect the final image, particularly regarding RAW files (RAF), can be a bit tricky. It's definitely a learning curve, and I only grasped what's actually happening to the raw file after spending some time experimenting with all the options. I stuck with it to learn the system so I could effectively review lenses for the X-mount system.
Over time, though, I became more comfortable with the settings and started enjoying the camera more, especially once I settled into a consistent setup that I rarely change. The Film Simulations feature really changed the way I approached shooting, and being able to do some pre-editing in-camera shifted my mindset towards getting the image right straight out of the camera, reminiscent of shooting film. That's one of the things I find most attractive about Fuji cameras right now.
You mentioned the autofocus sometimes being inaccurate on the X100VI, which would be frustrating, especially when you expect quick and accurate autofocus, particularly for tracking subjects. That's why, for me, if I'm using an AF camera, I really want it to perform well in that regard. Otherwise, I tend to stick with manual focus lenses. While I do own a few Fuji XF lenses and find their autofocus very good and accurate, perhaps the issue lies with the X100VI built-in lens, which may not be quick enough to keep up with the AF algorithm.
As for glitches, I haven't experienced any with my X-Pro3, but it's possible that I bought it with a firmware version that had already been thoroughly tested and refined. Considering experiences like yours with the X100VI, I'm leaning towards sticking with a Fuji with interchangeable lenses, allowing me to choose lenses that perform well in the AF department.
Fred Miranda wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
Well my Fuji experience has come to an end. I listed mine and with in about 4 minutes I got something like 8 people wanting to buy it. Demand is still their that is for sure. I don't think it is a bad camera. It's just not a good match for me. So off to find an Rx1rii. I know as soon as I buy one again there will be a rumor for a version iii. But I'm OK with that as I will be first in line.Personally, I really value opinions like yours. It's great that you were curious, gave it a try, but found it wasn't your cup of tea.
When it comes to the menu, I initially had a similar struggle with Fuji's extensive options. The multitude of choices can be overwhelming and confusing, especially with options like DR 200, DR 400, and D Range Priority. Understanding what these options do and how they affect the final image, particularly regarding RAW files (RAF), can be a bit tricky. It's definitely a learning curve, and I only grasped what's actually happening to the raw file after spending some time experimenting with all the options. I stuck with it to learn the system so I could effectively review lenses for the X-mount system.
Over time, though, I became more comfortable with the settings and started enjoying the camera more, especially once I settled into a consistent setup that I rarely change. The Film Simulations feature really changed the way I approached shooting, and being able to do some pre-editing in-camera shifted my mindset towards getting the image right straight out of the camera, reminiscent of shooting film. That's one of the things I find most attractive about Fuji cameras right now.
You mentioned the autofocus sometimes being inaccurate on the X100VI, which would be frustrating, especially when you expect quick and accurate autofocus, particularly for tracking subjects. That's why, for me, if I'm using an AF camera, I really want it to perform well in that regard. Otherwise, I tend to stick with manual focus lenses. While I do own a few Fuji XF lenses and find their autofocus very good and accurate, perhaps the issue lies with the X100VI built-in lens, which may not be quick enough to keep up with the AF algorithm.
As for glitches, I haven't experienced any with my X-Pro3, but it's possible that I bought it with a firmware version that had already been thoroughly tested and refined. Considering experiences like yours with the X100VI, I'm leaning towards sticking with a Fuji with interchangeable lenses, allowing me to choose lenses that perform well in the AF department.
Mar 11, 2024 at 08:24 PM