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p.1 #1 Determined Confederate Soldiers
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I found this 1 man in a group of soldiers in Gettysburg monument to be most photogenic in B&W.
#2 equally intense. The sculpture and chisled features really stand out. I did not want to darken the faces to the point that it hid his their facial features yet not set the men off as being "hidden".
Feb 12, 2024 at 12:31 PM
p.1 #2 Determined Confederate Soldiers
These are very good, Dan! They surely help tell the story of determination and hardship shared among those who fought on both sides.
Douglas
Douglas
Feb 13, 2024 at 06:35 AM
p.1 #3 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Beautiful work, Brother Dan. And spot-on comment, Douglas. I was frankly surprised to see that their statutes are still allowed their place given the current cancel culture horse****
Feb 13, 2024 at 07:02 AM
p.1 #4 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Superb work brother. You captured the intensity perfectly with and I agree that this is a subject that's best in b&w.
Cheers,
Brent
Cheers,
Brent
Feb 13, 2024 at 08:24 AM
p.1 #5 Determined Confederate Soldiers
douter wrote:
These are very good, Dan! They surely help tell the story of determination and hardship shared among those who fought on both sides.
Douglas
--Yes Douglas. Both sides endured grave hardships! Luckily we had a great Union General that when the end came he allowed his aderversary to retreat with dignity!-------------------------------------------
anthonysemone wrote:
Beautiful work, Brother Dan. And spot-on comment, Douglas. I was frankly surprised to see that their statutes are still allowed their place given the current cancel culture horse****
Gettysburg is enduring activists like many other places around here brother! They don't seem to realize that history is a lesson to learn from not sanitize!
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bnfotografie wrote:
Superb work brother. You captured the intensity perfectly with and I agree that this is a subject that's best in b&w.
Cheers,
Brent
YES! B&W is really the only way you can "feel" the intensity of battle and pain brother!
Thanks!
These are very good, Dan! They surely help tell the story of determination and hardship shared among those who fought on both sides.
Douglas
--Yes Douglas. Both sides endured grave hardships! Luckily we had a great Union General that when the end came he allowed his aderversary to retreat with dignity!-------------------------------------------
anthonysemone wrote:
Beautiful work, Brother Dan. And spot-on comment, Douglas. I was frankly surprised to see that their statutes are still allowed their place given the current cancel culture horse****
Gettysburg is enduring activists like many other places around here brother! They don't seem to realize that history is a lesson to learn from not sanitize!
---------------------------------------------bnfotografie wrote:
Superb work brother. You captured the intensity perfectly with and I agree that this is a subject that's best in b&w.
Cheers,
Brent
YES! B&W is really the only way you can "feel" the intensity of battle and pain brother!
Thanks!
Feb 13, 2024 at 09:52 AM
p.1 #6 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Good shots Dan. I hear you on your sympathy for regular soldiers fighting a war. I'm sure most were fighting to just stay alive and keep their brothers in arms alive.
I feel that there is a place for such statues in a historical context, with accompanying information, such as at battlefields, without glorifying the shameful history of slavery and subjugation of black people that the confederacy stood for. I feel very different about monuments to the leaders in public places like parks or capitals. Lee himself spoke against that.
I feel that there is a place for such statues in a historical context, with accompanying information, such as at battlefields, without glorifying the shameful history of slavery and subjugation of black people that the confederacy stood for. I feel very different about monuments to the leaders in public places like parks or capitals. Lee himself spoke against that.
Feb 15, 2024 at 07:51 PM
p.1 #7 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Dan I appreciate your service and your sentiment. IIRC The vast majority of Confederate soldiers volunteered and they and their families had a higher percentage of slave ownership compared to the general population.
Regardless though - these memorials would be like having ‘art’ pieces of German soldiers in France or Belgium, or maybe even have a plaque and a heroic looking assemblages of SS soldiers in Dachau. It is absurd to me - and just writing that last part makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, there can and should be sculpture and art that shows the horrors and struggles of war - humans have been really good at murdering each other on a vast scale for most of our history.
It’s been a long time since I visited Gettysburg - but I don’t think it is right or just to have these memorial statues commemorating men that fought and died over the right to own other humans as property. There was a push to have these memorials, often funded by southern states at a time when our fellow Americans were dealing with Jim Crow laws and just trying to access their full rights as citizens. Conveniently these memorials never seem to mention slavery or white supremacy - but often mask their language with words like ‘heritage’.
I’ve said my piece, and I’ll leave this thread now.
Regardless though - these memorials would be like having ‘art’ pieces of German soldiers in France or Belgium, or maybe even have a plaque and a heroic looking assemblages of SS soldiers in Dachau. It is absurd to me - and just writing that last part makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, there can and should be sculpture and art that shows the horrors and struggles of war - humans have been really good at murdering each other on a vast scale for most of our history.
It’s been a long time since I visited Gettysburg - but I don’t think it is right or just to have these memorial statues commemorating men that fought and died over the right to own other humans as property. There was a push to have these memorials, often funded by southern states at a time when our fellow Americans were dealing with Jim Crow laws and just trying to access their full rights as citizens. Conveniently these memorials never seem to mention slavery or white supremacy - but often mask their language with words like ‘heritage’.
I’ve said my piece, and I’ll leave this thread now.
Feb 16, 2024 at 02:10 AM
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bmike-vt wrote:
Dan I appreciate your service and your sentiment. IIRC The vast majority of Confederate soldiers volunteered and they and their families had a higher percentage of slave ownership compared to the general population.
Regardless though - these memorials would be like having ‘art’ pieces of German soldiers in France or Belgium, or maybe even have a plaque and a heroic looking assemblages of SS soldiers in Dachau. It is absurd to me - and just writing that last part makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, there can and should be sculpture and art that shows the horrors and struggles...Show more →
Thanks Mike! I totally agree with much of what you have stated! Especially the Nazis!
Dan
Dan I appreciate your service and your sentiment. IIRC The vast majority of Confederate soldiers volunteered and they and their families had a higher percentage of slave ownership compared to the general population.
Regardless though - these memorials would be like having ‘art’ pieces of German soldiers in France or Belgium, or maybe even have a plaque and a heroic looking assemblages of SS soldiers in Dachau. It is absurd to me - and just writing that last part makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, there can and should be sculpture and art that shows the horrors and struggles...Show more →
Thanks Mike! I totally agree with much of what you have stated! Especially the Nazis!
Dan
Feb 16, 2024 at 09:23 AM
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CosmicCruiser wrote:
Great job Dan!! Love the B&W
Many thanks "Double C"!
Great job Dan!! Love the B&W
Many thanks "Double C"!
Feb 16, 2024 at 09:24 AM
p.1 #11 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Excellent photos Dan of an impressive sculpture. It irks me no end that people try to change history to satisfy personal sensitivities. They should focus on fixing the present and take lessons from history.
Feb 16, 2024 at 09:42 AM
p.1 #12 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Pitter wrote:
Excellent photos Dan of an impressive sculpture. It irks me no end that people try to change history to satisfy personal sensitivities. They should focus on fixing the present and take lessons from history.
Amen!
Excellent photos Dan of an impressive sculpture. It irks me no end that people try to change history to satisfy personal sensitivities. They should focus on fixing the present and take lessons from history.
Amen!
Feb 16, 2024 at 09:44 AM
p.1 #13 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Then this "cleansing", good or bad, started as Mike sez. Not more recent than I might have implied.
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
Feb 16, 2024 at 03:45 PM
p.1 #14 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Thanks Dan. My recent post apparently got cleansed from this thread, so ….
Have a great weekend.
Danpbphoto wrote:
Then this "cleansing", good or bad, started as Mike sez. Not more recent than I might have implied.
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
Have a great weekend.
Danpbphoto wrote:
Then this "cleansing", good or bad, started as Mike sez. Not more recent than I might have implied.
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
Feb 17, 2024 at 12:11 AM
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bmike-vt wrote:
Thanks Dan. My recent post apparently got cleansed from this thread, so ….
Have a great weekend.
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
Are you saying it got "deleted" for some reason Mike?
That is not right! I saw nothing in any reply that would justify removal!
Had 3" of snow but NONE stuck on the roads!! My kind of snow storm!
Very beautiful but no driving hassles!
Dan
Thanks Dan. My recent post apparently got cleansed from this thread, so ….
Have a great weekend.
Danpbphoto wrote
Then this "cleansing", good or bad, started as Mike sez. Not more recent than I might have implied.Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
Are you saying it got "deleted" for some reason Mike?
That is not right! I saw nothing in any reply that would justify removal!
Had 3" of snow but NONE stuck on the roads!! My kind of snow storm!
Very beautiful but no driving hassles!
Dan
Feb 17, 2024 at 09:16 AM
p.1 #16 Determined Confederate Soldiers
It seems to be gone. I posted links and quotes regarding how the memorials came to be - primarily driven by southern states at a time when our fellow Americans were fighting Jim Crow laws, disenfranchisement and trying to claim their basic rights.
Most of the memorials built directly after the war were simple grave markers. In the early 1900s there was a concerted effort to glorify and memorialize leaders and generals and white wash the aspect of slavery from school curriculum, public places and politics.
Here’s a great look at it: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/confederate-statues/
Danpbphoto wrote:
Have a great weekend.
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
DanAre you saying it got "deleted" for some reason Mike?
That is not right! I saw nothing in any reply that would justify removal!
Had 3" of snow but NONE stuck on the roads!! My kind of snow storm!
Very beautiful but no driving hassles!
Dan
Most of the memorials built directly after the war were simple grave markers. In the early 1900s there was a concerted effort to glorify and memorialize leaders and generals and white wash the aspect of slavery from school curriculum, public places and politics.
Here’s a great look at it: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/confederate-statues/
Danpbphoto wrote:
bmike-vt wrote
Thanks Dan. My recent post apparently got cleansed from this thread, so ….Have a great weekend.
Danpbphoto wrote
Then this "cleansing", good or bad, started as Mike sez. Not more recent than I might have implied.Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
That is not right! I saw nothing in any reply that would justify removal!
Had 3" of snow but NONE stuck on the roads!! My kind of snow storm!
Very beautiful but no driving hassles!
Dan
Feb 17, 2024 at 12:25 PM
p.1 #17 Determined Confederate Soldiers
I am truly sorry that happened Mike! That is not right!
There cannot be greater rudeness than to interrupt another in the current of his discourse. ... . There was no rudeness nor vitriol going on. Just a healthy conversation!
Sorry Mike...Maybe next time you and I will continue in a PM.
Dan
There cannot be greater rudeness than to interrupt another in the current of his discourse. ... . There was no rudeness nor vitriol going on. Just a healthy conversation!
Sorry Mike...Maybe next time you and I will continue in a PM.
Dan
Feb 17, 2024 at 01:39 PM
p.1 #18 Determined Confederate Soldiers
Danpbphoto wrote:
They don't seem to realize that history is a lesson to learn from not sanitize!---------------------------------------------
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How well said. Also liked the images, especially the first.
They don't seem to realize that history is a lesson to learn from not sanitize!
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How well said. Also liked the images, especially the first.
Feb 24, 2024 at 09:02 AM