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p.1 #1 · Fuji Prices


Why do used Fuji prices seem to be going through the roof? I know inflation and all, but doesn’t seem any other used gear has gone to the same levels…


Jan 03, 2024 at 08:08 PM
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Probably just supply and demand I know they've had trouble keeping some models in stock. They also had some influencer really boosting the X100V. I keep an eye on their quarterlies and they had a really amazing quarter recently for their professional digital imaging business (X series + GFX, no Instax). So I would guess all those things are conspiring.



Jan 03, 2024 at 08:13 PM
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I remember seeing a X100F listed on Ebay by some idiot for 14 grand. At this point I wouldn't be looking at the X100 series used unless it's from a known brick and mortar store because they are not allowed to price gouge like that. Stuff like the X-T and X-Pro cameras from what I've seen aren't priced that stupidly.


Jan 04, 2024 at 09:54 AM
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p.1 #4 · Fuji Prices


Besides the hipster X100 series, what other camera/lenses are going through the roof? Buy used on this forum. I see GFX100s selling for like $3500.


Jan 04, 2024 at 10:24 AM
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I second what bobby350z said. Other than the X100, the X-Pro and X-E Series, used prices for their remaining products seem in line with the depreciation you would expect.


Jan 04, 2024 at 10:41 AM
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Agree with the above. Some prices on certain models that are in demand and in short supply have reached ridiculous levels on the used market, while other cameras are priced as we would expect.


Jan 04, 2024 at 12:14 PM
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JadedWriter wrote:
I remember seeing a X100F listed on Ebay by some idiot for 14 grand.


Worth every penny for this Leica killer. *














* That is a tongue in cheek comment not to be taken seriously.




Jan 05, 2024 at 09:55 PM
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p.1 #8 · Fuji Prices


X-Pro and X100 line are flagship cameras for Fuji and have been out of stock for months awaiting news of upgraded/new models. I'm not very familiar with the X-E line but appears to be almost as popular. Unfortunate Fuji couldn't scale up production of these until new releases. If someone is going to fork out $1800 for a used camera they may wait awhile before jumping on the new ones. Dunno. Seems odd though


Jan 06, 2024 at 12:38 PM
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Need2Learn wrote:
X-Pro and X100 line are flagship cameras for Fuji and have been out of stock for months awaiting news of upgraded/new models. I'm not very familiar with the X-E line but appears to be almost as popular. Unfortunate Fuji couldn't scale up production of these until new releases. If someone is going to fork out $1800 for a used camera they may wait awhile before jumping on the new ones. Dunno. Seems odd though


We might have a different idea about what a “flagship” product is. I’ve thought of it as the one, top, high-end product that the company typically makes its most expensive offering. For example, in Canon-world that was alsways a 1-series body. (OK, back in the day, there were two versions, not one: the 1D and the 1Ds. But still.)

That’s different that “popular” product or “best in its category.” If we go with that idea, then we could call some Instax camera a “flagship!” I don’t think we’re going to go there… ;-)

So, about Fujifilm flagship cameras. (I’m going into full pedantic mode below, so stop here if you don’t like that sort of thing. ;-) )

Quickie description of ””flagship from Wikipedia:

“A flagship is a vessel used by the commanding officer of a group of naval ships, characteristically a flag officer entitled by custom to fly a distinguishing flag. Used more loosely, it is the lead ship in a fleet of vessels, typically the first, largest, fastest, most heavily armed, or best known.”

“Over the years, the term "flagship" has become a metaphor used in industries such as broadcasting, automobiles, education, technology, airlines, and retail to refer to their highest profile or most expensiveproducts and locations.


A decade ago Fujifilm did treat the XPro as the flagship. It was, at one time, the most expensive, most capable, most adaptable camera they made. Back then the alternatives were things like the X100v predecessors (fine, but not flagships) and the low-end (but still useful) XE1.

Then things changed. I haven’t researched the dates so I may be off regarding the exact time frame and specific models, but it wasn’t long before Fujifilm started treating the XT line as the flagship cameras. They started coming with things like the best AF, the best EVFs, etc. In my view, the XPro2 may have still fit the “flagship” mode at first (when I bought mine), but Fujifilm had other plans, and by the time we get to the XPro3 they were limiting its versatility and targeting it to a far more limited user base. Rather than touting its functional advances… they went with a sort of mystical “pure photography” marketing scheme.

At that point, the XPro line was no longer the flagship.

They tried to make the XH1 the actual flagship. It was intended to do everything the XT did but more, and it came at a higher price. That could have worked… but in an example of really poor planning they quickly came out with a more capable XT that used the next generation technology… and few were willing to pay the extra for the XH1. (They aren’t the only company to get caught this way. Canon’s 5D decimated sales of the 1Ds line in similar fashion.) The XH1, despite its flagship aspirations, basically got remaindered.

Today the “flagship” is the XH2/XH2s line. It is said to do some things tha the XT5 cannot do (greater speed, deeper buffers, better video, etc.), it has the ever-popular bigger body, and it comes at a higher price.

(Don’t mistake “flagship” for “best camera for my purposes.” I could have gotten a XH2, but I chose the XT5 because it is functionally better than the flagship for my purposes.)

The X100v is a great camera. I’ve had a couple of chances to use cameras in that lineage, and I liked them a lot. But they, perhaps more so than even the XPro, are special/limited purpose cameras, particularly due to having a fixed lens.

There, wasn’t that fun?



Jan 06, 2024 at 01:40 PM
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allemania wrote:
I second what bobby350z said. Other than the X100, the X-Pro and X-E Series, used prices for their remaining products seem in line with the depreciation you would expect.


You just listed 3 of their models. No other brands have that right now.



Jan 06, 2024 at 08:42 PM
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Nick Dakota wrote:
You just listed 3 of their models. No other brands have that right now.


As far as I know, no other brands are currently having the same issues of timing and production that Fujifilm has and has had.

My hunch (and that’s all it is) is that Fujifilm’s model introduction timing was thrown off during the supply chain crisis of the pandemic, and that they may have decided that rather than proceed with production of models scheduled to be upgraded they would let the supply run down until the successor models are released.

From a consumer point of view, this is not a good thing. From a costs point of view, I suspect it makes sense to Fujifilm to not ramp up production at the end of a products cycle and just before its (40MP) replacement is introduced.

It is virtually certain that a successor to the X100v will be announced very soon — perhaps in a month or so, judging from various rumors.

The XE is less clear, but it seems more likely than not that there will eventually be a XE5, though XE models seem to come later, after higher-level (and more expensive) models have been updated.

The XPro series is more of an open question. It is the model about which Fujifilm has offered the east clarity. I suspect that there may not be a XPro4, at least not in the familiar form. Time will tell.



Jan 07, 2024 at 12:07 PM
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allemania wrote:
I second what bobby350z said. Other than the X100, the X-Pro and X-E Series, used prices for their remaining products seem in line with the depreciation you would expect.


Just like with pet rocks and beanie babies, once the current fad for these products subsides the depreciation will likely be rapid and painful.



Jan 08, 2024 at 10:24 AM
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It seems like the demand is not falling that much, if at all. Much of the demand for the X100 model in particular is obviously driven by social media, but it does not make the demand any less real.

People are looking for an "analog" experience with their photography, and the X100 is in the right place at the right time to provide a small pocketable camera that people bring with them to capture every day moments and travel in that style. Post-pandemic travel is still surging, and despite people's perception that the economy is doing poorly, they continue to spend on consumer products such as electronics. So I don't suspect demand for these types of cameras to abate too much.

I think the above-market prices and low supply are driving some of the demand as well. (Google the effects of scarcity on consumer decision-making).



Jan 08, 2024 at 11:00 AM
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mdude85 wrote:
It seems like the demand is not falling that much, if at all. Much of the demand for the X100 model in particular is obviously driven by social media, but it does not make the demand any less real.



The demand for pet rocks was just as real... for a while.



Jan 08, 2024 at 11:11 AM
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molson wrote:
The demand for pet rocks was just as real... for a while.


Eventually, demand will die down. Maybe a new model will temper demand, but it would need to be at the right price and be produced in sufficient quantities. If it's just as difficult to get the new model as the current one, I don't see the prices on the current model abating that much.



Jan 08, 2024 at 11:49 AM
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It's also all but confirmed the next X100 will have the same 23mm f/2 lens as the X100V, so major changes (such as OIS) shouldn't be expected. Could be a T to F year.


Jan 09, 2024 at 04:18 PM
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p.1 #17 · Fuji Prices


No one ever expected it to have OIS until that stupid fake rumor came out.

It's almost certain it'll have the 40mp sensor.

It's probably 75% likely it'll gain IBIS.

The biggest question mark for me are the physical features...will it retain the clickable command wheels? Will the slightly bigger IBIS-having body have a more substantial thumb catch on the back? Will it retain the OVF?



Jan 09, 2024 at 04:38 PM
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Geez...I had my entire XT2 kit for sale here on FM for almost 2 months and sold nothing.

I think I was priced reasonably, and did my homework.

I looked on KEH both retail, and what they would offer me to buy my gear and sort of split the difference.
KEH seemed high to me, but somewhere between the two prices I found some middle ground.
I also checked MPB the same way.

Then I looked at what my same stuff was selling for on here and adjusted accordingly.
...and nada. What I did see here for lower prices was lesser quality than what I was selling.

This stuff was SO clean and taken care of that it could almost pass for new, and all I got was really low ball offers.

Kind of bums me out when I read that used Fuji prices are going through roof, when I don't really see it.



Jan 09, 2024 at 08:54 PM
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Prices are up on cameras that people actually want. Very few people want a 4 generations old X-T, no matter how clean it is.


Jan 09, 2024 at 09:54 PM
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Prices on the X-pro2 seem to be hold up as do the X-Es. The X-T line suffers from not being small, which appeals to hipsters wanting a second camera as an EDC and are also more likely to be heavily used.

I'm not sure how FM works as a sale site compared to the site that takes 13.5 per cent for no good reason. But you would be sure to sell there though you might not be happy with the price you get especially after their fees.



Jan 09, 2024 at 10:55 PM
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