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RustyBug wrote:
Would like to see this on an M10R / M11 vs. the Summilux of a Q2 / Q3.



I can run some tests on my M11 vs the Q3. Lens was supposed to be here today but USPS happened.

Jan 20, 2024 at 01:03 PM
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p.11 #2Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
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RustyBug wroteWould like to see this on an M10R / M11 vs. the Summilux of a Q2 / Q3.
I can run some tests on my M11 vs the Q3. Lens was supposed to be here today but USPS happened.



SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET !!!!!!!!!!
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:08 PM
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RustyBug wroteWould like to see this on an M10R / M11 vs. the Summilux of a Q2 / Q3.
I can run some tests on my M11 vs the Q3. Lens was supposed to be here today but USPS happened.



I wish Camera Quest would ship by FedEx or UPS instead of USPS. It usually takes me three or four days to get the free overnight shipping, in part because the rural mail carriers here often forget I have a signature on file and hold the package at the post office instead of delivering it.
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:17 PM
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p.11 #4Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Such great examples. Very motivating for me toward getting thef/1.5, even though I have f/2 in hand (and love it). I replaced my 28 lux with the 28 ultron II, and now it seems there's an option that's close to an optical/performance match for the 28 Lux.
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:22 PM
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p.11 #5Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
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nehemiahphoto wrote@Juha@@@ Great samples. It’s so much cheaper in Japan from MAP, but it won’t let me do an oversees order. I’ll just wait.

Always lovely to see your work. This lens looks like it has the type of character I want in a modern lens.
Did you try buying directly from their shop or through Buyee? I believe Map does not sell outside Japan via their online shop and they promote the Buyee forwarding service for this instead. I believe they have an eBay store but likely with only a limited selection of items (another FM member previously posted about getting them to put something on their eBay store for him to buy from them, but unsure how willing they are to repeat this).

If Buyee doesn't work, there are other forwarding services available. It's possible Map knows when an order is through Buyee, which may
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Thanks Ron.

I have purchased a couple higher price items from MAP via Buyee without issue. When I go to MAP site and select the 28/1.5, I am redirected to Buyee, which then disqualifies me from purchasing. When I access MAP's ebay store, the 28/1.5 is not available. I checked a Hong Kong store or two I have used before, but they don't have the 28/1.5 in yet.

Could you point me out to some other forwarding services? I'd like to get a copy cheaper. If I can't I'll wait a bit for a deal or for the Buyee embargo to life, while my character is built via patience
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:35 PM
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p.11 #6Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
As a very infrequent 28mm shooter, I am curious about how this lens performs in terms of focus shift. I have the 28/1.9, which I use...almost never. I generally like it's medium contrast character with soft out-of-focus rendering, but the focus shift when stopping down makes focusing up close quite difficult. Obviously, the 28/1.5 is going to be much higher contrast/resolution, but I'm wondering if they've been able to fix the shift.

wide-open, no problem:
Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

at f/2.8 and I'm slightly behind the eyes:
Jordan by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

both: Zeiss Ikon ZM, Voigtlander 28mm f/1.9 LTM

And, also, apologies for the slight off-topicness of the images, but they are part of the Voigltander 28mm high-speed design history.
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:36 PM
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p.11 #7Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
_jim_ wrote:
As a very infrequent 28mm shooter, I am curious about how this lens performs in terms of focus shift. I have the 28/1.9, which I use...almost never. I generally like it's medium contrast character with soft out-of-focus rendering, but the focus shift when stopping down makes focusing up close quite difficult. Obviously, the 28/1.5 is going to be much higher contrast/resolution, but I'm wondering if they've been able to fix the shift.

wide-open, no problem:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50679602418_f5412a9756_b.jpgJenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

at f/2.8 and I'm slightly behind the eyes:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51637594972_3af7be948d_b.jpgJordan by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

both: Zeiss Ikon ZM, Voigtlander 28mm f/1.9 LTM

And, also, apologies
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I will take a look at focus shift today since it's been raining all day.
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:41 PM
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I just tried the Buyee option but said this item is not eligible for overseas buyers. Yes, it is considerably cheaper, oh well.


Thanks. Bummer. I just tried a random Voigtlander lens and the same thing happened. Then I tried a bunch of other brands and same thing. I don't recall this being the case previously, though I never actually completed a sale. This really limits the usefulness of this option. I suspect the ease of using Buyee directly from Map's site to potentially circumvent manufacturer imposed sales territories raised some ire...

But, you can still use it to buy used items from Map...

I suspect it would be necessary to use another freight forwarder that isn't directly tied into Map's website and is able to effectively mask that they're a forwarding service.
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:44 PM
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p.11 #9Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
_jim_ wrote:
As a very infrequent 28mm shooter, I am curious about how this lens performs in terms of focus shift. I have the 28/1.9, which I use...almost never. I generally like it's medium contrast character with soft out-of-focus rendering, but the focus shift when stopping down makes focusing up close quite difficult. Obviously, the 28/1.5 is going to be much higher contrast/resolution, but I'm wondering if they've been able to fix the shift.

wide-open, no problem:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50679602418_f5412a9756_b.jpgJenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

at f/2.8 and I'm slightly behind the eyes:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51637594972_3af7be948d_b.jpgJordan by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

both: Zeiss Ikon ZM, Voigtlander 28mm f/1.9 LTM

And, also, apologies
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+1 for concerns on focus shift.

I had some issues to contend with on another Voigtlander lens (ultimately growing weary of it, thus selling). Hoping that they've improved upon this. A smidge is okay, but there's definitely a place where more than a smidge gets to be a problem (for certain kinds of shooting) ... or at least a dis-satisfying experience.

And ... given that this lens touts an EVEN CLOSER FOCUSING distance capability, I could see focus shift at mfd being a PITA. Hopefully not, but it is a potential concern to at least understand if it is a "tiny" bit, or a "big" bit ... going into it before laying out $$$.

I realize that since mfd is likely inside the limits of the coupled RF, you'd be inclined to be on the LCD anyway ... but, still always good info to know how much it is vs. isn't at different distances / apertures where you might be on the RF vs. LCD.
Jan 20, 2024 at 01:49 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
BruceRH wroteI just tried the Buyee option but said this item is not eligible for overseas buyers. Yes, it is considerably cheaper, oh well.
Thanks. Bummer. I just tried a random Voigtlander lens and the same thing happened. Then I tried a bunch of other brands and same thing. I don't recall this being the case previously, though I never actually completed a sale. This really limits the usefulness of this option. I suspect the ease of using Buyee directly from Map's site to potentially circumvent manufacturer imposed sales territories raised some ire...

But, you can still use it to buy used items from Map...

I suspect it would be necessary to use another freight forwarder that isn't directly tied into Map's website and is
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I had some good experiences with Buyee before, but my recent transaction wasn't great. I bought an MS Optics lens, and unlike previous purchases, it took a long time to arrive. The store didn't respond, and Buyee didn't provide regular tracking updates. If you're looking for something quick, you might want to explore other options. Keep in mind there are additional fees and shipping costs to consider when purchasing overseas.
Jan 20, 2024 at 02:31 PM
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p.11 #11Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
_jim_ wrote:
As a very infrequent 28mm shooter, I am curious about how this lens performs in terms of focus shift. I have the 28/1.9, which I use...almost never. I generally like it's medium contrast character with soft out-of-focus rendering, but the focus shift when stopping down makes focusing up close quite difficult. Obviously, the 28/1.5 is going to be much higher contrast/resolution, but I'm wondering if they've been able to fix the shift.

wide-open, no problem:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50679602418_f5412a9756_b.jpgJenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

at f/2.8 and I'm slightly behind the eyes:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51637594972_3af7be948d_b.jpgJordan by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

both: Zeiss Ikon ZM, Voigtlander 28mm f/1.9 LTM

And, also, apologies
...Show more →

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_jim_ wroteAs a very infrequent 28mm shooter, I am curious about how this lens performs in terms of focus shift. I have the 28/1.9, which I use...almost never. I generally like it's medium contrast character with soft out-of-focus rendering, but the focus shift when stopping down makes focusing up close quite difficult. Obviously, the 28/1.5 is going to be much higher contrast/resolution, but I'm wondering if they've been able to fix the shift.

wide-open, no problem:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50679602418_f5412a9756_b.jpgJenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

at f/2.8 and I'm slightly behind the eyes:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51637594972_3af7be948d_b.jpgJordan by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

both: Zeiss Ikon ZM, Voigtlander 28mm f/1.9 LTM

And, also, apologies for the slight off-topicness of the images, but they are part of the Voigltander 28mm high-speed design history.
+1 for concerns on focus shift.

I had some issues to contend with on another Voigtlander lens (ultimately growing weary of it, thus selling). Hoping that they've improved upon this. A smidge is okay, but there's definitely a place where more than a smidge gets to be a problem (for certain kinds of shooting) ... or at least a dis-satisfying experience.

And ... given that this lens touts an EVEN CLOSER FOCUSING distance capability, I could see focus shift at mfd being a PITA. Hopefully not, but it is a potential concern to at least understand if it is a "tiny"
...Show more →

In my pre-production copy, I see no focus shift with the Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton at distances of 0.7m and 1m. This is crucial for me, as I primarily use the rangefinder for focusing and am particularly sensitive to any focus issues.
Jan 20, 2024 at 02:36 PM
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p.11 #12Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
So, does anyone know where we can order one from Japan?
Jan 20, 2024 at 03:37 PM
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Specular highlights at around 0.7-0.8m:
(Wide open and adapted to Sony A7R II)

I appreciate the way it renders images. It's smooth, yet not dull.




Straight out of the camera with no corrections

Jan 20, 2024 at 03:49 PM
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p.11 #14Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Excited to get my hands on this bad boy!

@fredmiranda would u sell the 28 lux for this? Just gonna put you on the spot here 😂
Jan 20, 2024 at 03:52 PM
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p.11 #15Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
RustyRus wrote:
Excited to get my hands on this bad boy!

@fredmiranda@ would u sell the 28 lux for this? Just gonna put you on the spot here 😂


I haven't directly compared the Leica 28 Lux yet, but I like both lenses. The Lux has the highest contrast I've seen in a 28mm lens, but it seems like the Voigtlander might have slight higher resolution off-axis. (to be determined)
Jan 20, 2024 at 04:15 PM
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p.11 #16Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
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RustyRus wroteExcited to get my hands on this bad boy!

@fredmiranda@@ would u sell the 28 lux for this? Just gonna put you on the spot here 😂
I haven't directly compared the Leica 28 Lux yet, but I like both lenses. The Lux has the highest contrast I've seen in a 28mm lens, but it seems like the Voigtlander might have slight higher resolution off-axis. (to be determined)


In terms of contrast, did you find there to be a discernable difference to your eyes without cropping between the 28/2 ASPH and 28/1.4 Lux centrally if both shot at f2?
Jan 20, 2024 at 04:51 PM
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p.11 #17Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
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RustyRus wroteExcited to get my hands on this bad boy!

@fredmiranda@@@ would u sell the 28 lux for this? Just gonna put you on the spot here 😂
I haven't directly compared the Leica 28 Lux yet, but I like both lenses. The Lux has the highest contrast I've seen in a 28mm lens, but it seems like the Voigtlander might have slight higher resolution off-axis. (to be determined)
In terms of contrast, did you find there to be a discernable difference to your eyes without cropping between the 28/2 ASPH and 28/1.4 Lux centrally if both shot at f2?


I would say they are similar in terms of contrast, and perhaps the new Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 as well. I will know for sure soon when I compare them side by side.

I tested the Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron against the Leica 28/2 Summicron, and they were also similar in terms of contrast and resolution. Although at the center, I thought the Voigtlander did slightly better. I do prefer the rendering from the Leica, though it's hard to discern differences. Mainly because the Leica has slightly more structure (outlining) in the bokeh and more rounded specular highlights towards the corners. (less vignetting)

I've posted some samples and 100% comparisons in this review:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868
Jan 20, 2024 at 05:17 PM
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p.11 #18Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
These are great!
Like the edits, too

Juha Kannisto wrote:
Today it was raining and cloudy all day but I went to Nakano and took some more samples with the 28/1.5 on my Sony A7CII in low light at the narrow streets that have many eateries/bars. I used my CV close focus adapter II today but I didn't utilize the helicoid to focus closer in almost any of the shots. All shots were taken wide open. The lens is indeed quite sharp right from wide open at any distance. The bokeh is not always the smoothest type on the Sony sensor at least but I like the way it
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Jan 20, 2024 at 11:48 PM
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p.11 #19Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
I ordered mine from CameraQuest this morning! Can't wait.
Jan 21, 2024 at 12:11 AM
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p.11 #20Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
I got some more samples today with my CV 28/1.5 on my Sony A7CII mostly at Shinjuku Gyoen National Garden's Greenhouse and a few outside on the way back to Shinjuku station. It was raining most of the time so I decided that it might be nice to shoot some flower & plant close-ups at the Greenhouse. After getting out from the Greenhouse the rain had stopped and there was some nice light with sun showing up through the clouds for a bit but the Garden was already about to close then.

I used my CV VM-E close focus adapter II and utilized the helicoid to get closer than 0.5m on many of the shots. Almost all plant shots were taken wide-open, just one yellow flower outside was at f2 as I went for closest possible focus with the help from the helicoid adapter on that one and things get fairly soft there at f1.5. Most outside infinity shots were at f8.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/pMsQVya4JRQb74s16

I ran these through C1 Pro again and utilized some filmic presets that I think work well on plants this time.

I'm really happy with the lens after 3 shootouts with it so far
Jan 21, 2024 at 07:52 AM
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