Ai_Print wrote:
Regardless of MP, speed, form factor, etc the only thing that will see me buying a new Nikon body is at least a two stop gain in noise reduction above ISO 6400 compared to anything they have out right now. That is my real area of need, everything else is just an extra.
Ai_Print wrote:
Regardless of MP, speed, form factor, etc the only thing that will see me buying a new Nikon body is at least a two stop gain in noise reduction above ISO 6400 compared to anything they have out right now. That is my real area of need, everything else is just an extra.
Zero chance of that happening unfortunately, from any brand, at least in the foreseeable future. Resolution normalized ISO performance hasn't changed significantly in over a decade, and it is not going to see any major improvements going forward without a major shift in technology. Sensor improvements these days are centered around readout speed and increasing resolution without any major downsides elsewhere.
Thankfully with the RAW converters available now, noise is rarely a problem until you get into the really extreme ISOs. If you want ISO 6400 to look like ISO 1600 straight out of the camera, you won't be buying a new camera body for a very long time
Here is what ~12 years of ISO improvements look like at ISO 6400:
BPsmith511 wrote:
This is just a clickbait video using the stupid AI TikTok voiceover with random specifications and using Z9 footage (hence why Ricci is in it)
Clickbait or not. A Nikon camera with these specs would be an immediate pre-order for me.
CanadaMark wrote:
Thankfully with the RAW converters available now, noise is rarely a problem until you get into the really extreme ISOs.
I set my Z9 to shoot up to 12,800 and never, ever consider ISO if conditions are less than ideal. I deal with it in post and life moves on. The tools we have today are amazing.
RoamingScott wrote:
I set my Z9 to shoot up to 12,800 and never, ever consider ISO if conditions are less than ideal. I deal with it in post and life moves on. The tools we have today are amazing.
Same for me - Auto ISO limit is usually at 12,800 and all I do is make sure I am not underexposing anything too badly, that's the only time you can really get into trouble. If the alternative is not getting the shot or risking a blurry image with a slower shutter speed, it's an easy choice to make.
RoamingScott wrote:
I set my Z9 to shoot up to 12,800 and never, ever consider ISO if conditions are less than ideal. I deal with it in post and life moves on. The tools we have today are amazing.
When you are dealing with over 100K images per year, you just want it as clean as can be out of camera and to be done with it for a lot of the work and not end up with a nightmare of an archiving situation. If this is as good as digital gets for awhile in regards to noise, I have reached the end of the upgrade path.
Not a bad place to be I guess, I can now sit tight with the excellent cameras I currently have and forget about chasing tech.
Ai_Print wrote:
When you are dealing with over 100K images per year, you just want it as clean as can be out of camera and to be done with it for a lot of the work and not end up with a nightmare of an archiving situation. If this is as good as digital gets for awhile in regards to noise, I have reached the end of the upgrade path.
Not a bad place to be I guess, I can now sit tight with the excellent cameras I currently have and forget about chasing tech.
What's your keeper/archival rate on 100k images in a year?
RoamingScott wrote:
What's your keeper/archival rate on 100k images in a year?
Let's just say on some jobs, culling is a bitch. So it all depends on the job, type of project. On average I am trying to cull it down to an archive set of around 30%, much beyond that and you get into a situation of being too heavy handed with the delete button.
I'm looking forward to retiring from commercial work.
BPsmith511 wrote:
More Wildlife photographers out there posting from Mongolia, so I think the camera may be more action/sports focused than let on? Unless they are dual releasing and some have a Z900 or some other APS-C many have been clamoring for.
Maybe.
But they could just also be playing to their strengths of wildlife lenses and seeing if they can sell it as a 2nd body to those with a Z8 or Z9.
neoshazam wrote:
Maybe.
But they could just also be playing to their strengths of wildlife lenses and seeing if they can sell it as a 2nd body to those with a Z8 or Z9.
I have to say based on his video today I may be completely wrong and he's just on an epic trip, with coincidental timing!
bernardl wrote:
I have a hard time believing that Nikon would invite WW influencers to Spain just for a slightly improved Zf packaged as a mini Z8.
This just doesn’t make sense.
My personal guess is a camera based on Sony’s global shutter sensor.
Cheers,
Bernard
This will presumably be Nikon's high volume FF camera appealing to the masses at the ~$2000-2500 USD price point, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them go all out with the influencers and marketing hype. Nikon has also been doing way more advertising in general than they used to, which is a good thing for them I think. There will probably be one or two small surprises beyond a repackaged Zf, but hopefully I am wrong and it's more exciting than that. Even if that's all Nikon did, it would still be very competitive in the current market against the A74 and R6II.
In my opinion, there is zero chance Nikon puts a global shutter in the Z6III, not only due to price point, but the GS has some major disadvantages that would be unappealing to the average photographer (assuming similar performance to Sony A9III), that I can't see them putting that in a 'consumer' grade camera anytime soon. Again looking at the A9III, it is such an extreme niche camera with a huge price premium that I personally would be very surprised to see Nikon follow suit. Even if it were a more high-end camera directly competing with the A9III, I would be surprised to see Nikon focus on that before the Z6III when it would not be a volume money-maker for them.
I remember when Panasonic launched their S5II a year ago they did the whole song & dance with influencers being flown to Japan and lots of loaner gear - that camera is around the same price point as a hypothetical Z6III and will probably sell in much fewer numbers (it is already discounted). So I don't think it is too unusual what Nikon is doing.
Anyway that is just my opinion, I could be totally wrong
bernardl wrote:
I have a hard time believing that Nikon would invite WW influencers to Spain just for a slightly improved Zf packaged as a mini Z8.
This just doesn’t make sense.
My personal guess is a camera based on Sony’s global shutter sensor.
Cheers,
Bernard
A global shutter body is a very specialty instrument that few need, and absolutely no influencer needs. What would Fro do with it, smell it?
But I agree that something does not add up about the Z6iii rumors so far. It just does not feel like it is enough to justify a model number update. Then again, the same thing could have been said about the Z6ii.
bernardl wrote:
I have a hard time believing that Nikon would invite WW influencers to Spain just for a slightly improved Zf packaged as a mini Z8.
This just doesn’t make sense.
My personal guess is a camera based on Sony’s global shutter sensor.
Cheers,
Bernard
No way, wishful thinking. I don't believe that Nikon will get GS from Sony for some years from now. Heck they are only going to get 30fps RAW now that GS has been released. Probably in a firmware update this year. I believe the hardware has always been capable.
That said I expect the Z6III to be a very well specified camera as a lower mpx all around hybrid.
The Z6III will be specified and priced to compete with the A7IV category of camera. This is the high volume segment of the market. Nikon needs to become competitive there to rebuild market share. In that sense it is a more important release than any of Nikon's latest release cameras. The Z9/8, a d Zf are designed to apeal primarily to Nikon's existing user base and finaly convert its DSLR users to mirrorless. The Z6III must compete in a broader market and attract new users to Nikon. That is why such a big marketing effort is being made.
If we get a Z6III it will of course not be based on a Gs..
A Z6III with remarkable specs clearly differentiated from the Zf would justify a major investment in marketing.
I find the rumors so far to be inconsistent, that’s it.
As far as GS is concerned I am pretty sure that Sony semi-conductor isn’t interested in limiting their ROI to what the a9III is going to generate. And Nikon is best positioned to grow the size of that niche market.
If we are throwing out wild guesses and lists, I'll say that it will either be a 33mp version of the ZF in a updated body design -or- have a stacked 24mp sensor like a cheaper, mini Z8/Z9. It will retain the CFx/SD layout (no dual CFxB), and will hang out around $2300 body only. It should have the IBIS and multi-shot of the Zf but I'm not sure if it will have the rotational-focused IBIS like the Zf does (which apparently has problems anyway).
bernardl wrote:
If we get a Z6III it will of course not be based on a Gs..
A Z6III with remarkable specs clearly differentiated from the Zf would justify a major investment in marketing.
I find the rumors so far to be inconsistent, that’s it.
As far as GS is concerned I am pretty sure that Sony semi-conductor isn’t interested in limiting their ROI to what the a9III is going to generate. And Nikon is best positioned to grow the size of that niche market.
Cheers,
Bernard
History and Sony management statements indicates that Sony won't make the GS available for a certain time period. I think they will handle this in a similar way that they did with the stacked sensors.
