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Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses

  
 
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p.17 #1 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Burleigh wrote:
From experience, with the Voigtlanders Z, this focus distance indicator is disabled but with TTArtisan it is enabled, go figure!


Cosina's webpage for their Z-mount lenses as well as for Canon RF mount doesn't talk about focus distance information support for those lenses whereas the E-mount and X-mount lens pages do highlight it. The pages also mention that their E-mount lenses support 5-Axis IBIS (thanks to distance info being available) while their Nikon Z and Canon RF lenses support only 3-Axis. So it looks like there is no support of focus distance information with their Z-mount lenses (nor with the RF-mount lens).

https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/z-mount/
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/e-mount/
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/x-mount/
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/rf-mount-lenses/

I have their E-mount and X-mount lenses and focus distance info is displayed properly in-camera while using them on the Sony and Fuji cameras.



Nov 11, 2023 at 10:48 PM
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p.17 #2 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


I've been liking the CV 50mm F1 on the Zf. Love that green focus confirmation. Really works a charm!

Kali Wet 1 Color (1 of 1) by Christopher Rankin, on Flickr

ISO 3200 F1 1/200



Nov 11, 2023 at 11:44 PM
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p.17 #3 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


cope07 wrote:
Apologies if this had already come up, I’ve read most but not all of the thread.
Does the Z8 have the same ‘ af box that turns green when in focus feature ‘ with MF lenses?


Z8 should have focus confirmation with the green box with lenses that support that function — but it doesn’t yet have subject recognition in MF mode. It will probably get that in a firmware update.



Nov 12, 2023 at 12:25 AM
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p.17 #4 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Juha Kannisto wrote:
Cosina's webpage for their Z-mount lenses as well as for Canon RF mount doesn't talk about focus distance information support for those lenses whereas the E-mount and X-mount lens pages do highlight it. The pages also mention that their E-mount lenses support 5-Axis IBIS (thanks to distance info being available) while their Nikon Z and Canon RF lenses support only 3-Axis. So it looks like there is no support of focus distance information with their Z-mount lenses (nor with the RF-mount lens)

I have their E-mount and X-mount lenses and focus distance info is displayed properly in-camera while using them
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Good detective work, the enigma is solved, kudos to you and thanks !



Nov 12, 2023 at 03:50 AM
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p.17 #5 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


How to clean the mirror in case of dust?
Is there any particular precaution I should take considering the ZF has IBIS, or can I clean it the usual way, with a cleaning kit?

Actually, I'm asking as I'm having second thoughts. I cleaned it as I used to clean my X-Pro2, with the camera switched off, and a simple cleaning kit. But for some reason, I think I read the ZF needs to be on while cleaning it?



Nov 12, 2023 at 04:07 PM
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p.17 #6 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


pdesopo wrote:
How to clean the mirror in case of dust?
Is there any particular precaution I should take considering the ZF has IBIS, or can I clean it the usual way, with a cleaning kit?


What mirror?

This is what the manual says about sensor cleaning if that is what you are asking about it. I guess that means you should send
the camera to Nikon for cleaning? The ZF doesn't have a sensor shield, and I am not sure you can even close the shutter when changing lenses. You should check on that and do it religiously if available. Look the sensor is going to get dust on it like any mirrorless camera does. Even those with dust blocking shutters or shields. The user should be able to clean it even in the field when needed. I have found all the vibration cleaners in cameras to be ineffective many times. A shuute dust cover setting, and IBIS locking feature would be a great help. This seems like an unreasonable restriction to me.







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Nov 12, 2023 at 04:16 PM
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p.17 #7 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Sorry, I meant the sensor.

Then, how to clean it?
The spot is now gone, and the image looks finally clean.

Ok, I found the page:
https://onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/zf/en/caring_for_the_camera_guid-2e41a6c4-7308-6bca-02b1-ece5ed3172b3_321.html

And the Automatic cleaning at shutdown is off by default, which doesn't make much sense.



Nov 12, 2023 at 04:17 PM
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p.17 #8 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Even for Z6, manual said to send it in for sensor cleaning. I never followed that, and cleaned by myself with the camera turned off several times by now. I never had problem with it. zf’s IBIS seems to cover larger motions so, you definitely want to make sure the sensor is locked if you choose to wet clean the sensor by yourself.
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Nov 12, 2023 at 10:22 PM
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p.17 #9 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Thanks, @akul

I'm looking at the manual, but I can't seem to find the instructions on how to lock the IBIS.
Would you mind sharing how is done? I would appreciate that.



Nov 12, 2023 at 10:25 PM
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p.17 #10 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


I think the Z6 locks the sensor when turned off. AS far as I can tell the Zf does not.


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p.17 #11 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


1bwana1 wrote:
I think the Z6 locks the sensor when turned off. AS far as I can tell the Zf does not.


And I guess that may affect the cleaning in some way...?




Nov 13, 2023 at 12:39 AM
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p.17 #12 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


As for locking the IBIS, I wonder if it's sufficient to turn it OFF.


Nov 13, 2023 at 01:01 AM
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pdesopo wrote:
And I guess that may affect the cleaning in some way...?



It keeps the IBIS mechanisms from being damaged during cleaning.



Nov 13, 2023 at 01:03 AM
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pdesopo wrote:
As for locking the IBIS, I wonder if it's sufficient to turn it OFF.


No



Nov 13, 2023 at 01:04 AM
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p.17 #15 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Thanks for clarifying, @1bwana1

It puzzles me why Nikon didn't keep the same approach as with the Z6 then.



Nov 13, 2023 at 01:07 AM
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pdesopo wrote:
Thanks for clarifying, @1bwana1@

It puzzles me why Nikon didn't keep the same approach as with the Z6 then.


I also question why, and include the question on why no dust protection using the shutter like all the other brands have.

Money?



Nov 13, 2023 at 01:13 AM
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p.17 #17 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Money would make sense for the dust protection, but a setting to automatically do something for the user, especially if it can help to prevent possible damage, doesn't seem to be a big burden...

Quite odd indeed.



Nov 13, 2023 at 01:15 AM
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p.17 #18 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


The Z6/Z7 sensor was already exposed without protection whether the camera was on or off. It does not seem to be much of a problem unless you change lenses in very dirty environments but then a protective mechanical shutter would also suffer and risk getting stuck.
Regarding the sensor cleaning, the Zf reference guide does not seem so different from the old Z6 reference manual :


  1. Z6 (reference manual)

Image Sensor Cleaning
If you suspect that dirt or dust on the image sensor is appearing in photographs, you can clean the sensor using the Clean image sensor option in the setup menu. The sensor can be cleaned at any time using the Clean now option, or cleaning can be performed automatically when the camera is turned off. If image sensor cleaning fails to resolve the problem, contact a Nikon-authorized service representative.

Manual Cleaning
If foreign matter cannot be removed from the image sensor using image sensor cleaning, the sensor can be cleaned manually as described below. Note, however, that the sensor is extremely delicate and easily damaged; we recommend that manual cleaning be performed only by a Nikon-authorized service representative.


  1. Zf (reference guide)

Image Sensor Cleaning
Dirt or dust entering the camera when lenses are exchanged or the body cap is removed may adhere to the image sensor and affect your photographs. The “clean image sensor” option vibrates the sensor to remove dust.
The image sensor can be cleaned at any time from the menus, or cleaning can be performed automatically when the camera is turned off. If image sensor cleaning fails to resolve the problem, contact a Nikon-authorized service representative.

Manual Cleaning
If foreign matter cannot be removed from the image sensor using image sensor cleaning, the sensor can be cleaned manually as described below. Note, however, that the sensor is extremely delicate and easily damaged; we recommend that manual cleaning be performed only by a Nikon-authorized service representative.

None makes any reference to the IBIS mechanism but I may have missed a reference elsewhere.



Nov 13, 2023 at 04:27 AM
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p.17 #19 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Thanks @Thury

Yeah, I've been searching for the IBIS mechanism related to cleaning and couldn't find anything either.

That said, I reached out to Nikon technical support. It's been a little disappointing.
The lady who took the call was kind of vague, and when I asked about any potential damage to the Sensor (as reported on the manual) or the IBIS, she simply responded that if the camera is OK I should just carry using it. But if it happens again, it's better to send the camera in for cleaning.

She couldn't say whether the IBIS or the Sensor may or may not be affected. She also didn't know how to check if either of them had been affected. I can just keep using the camera since now the spot is gone, and the camera looks fine to me.




Nov 13, 2023 at 12:58 PM
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Sensor spots have been an issue with digital cameras since the begining. Even in DSLR days. Nikon had some major problems with this. It is even worse with mirrorless because the shutter is always open due to exposure and AF operating from the sensor.

Not to have a safe way for users to maintain a clean sensor is inexcusable in my opinion. There should absolutely be a way to lock IBIS to provide a stable sensor for cleaning.

This whole thing about not having a sensor dust shield also doesn't make sense on any level. Cameras had closed shutters when off and changing lenses from the first days of 35mm cameras. No large scale issues in all that time. The first time Nikon designed a camera that needed no mechanical shutter they new the still needed one to cover the sensor when changing lenses. Why did they leave this feature out on a camera that does already have a shutter. This just doesn't add up.

These things are not in the best interest of the user that is for sure.



Nov 13, 2023 at 01:20 PM
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