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Califmike33
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p.1 #1 · Manual focus lenses versus zoom lenses


I'm on the fence I just bought a Sony a7r II I want to do some landscape work. I have a Tamron 28 to 75 F 2.8 G2 lens good lens Sharp decent focal range doesn't get wide enough is the only bad thing I can say about it.

I've always loved film shooting film but it's getting too expensive and too much hassle so my point being I kind of like manual focusing smaller compactor lenses.

So I'm just looking for feedback from people that actually use manual focus lenses to shoot their landscape do you get out there with your manual focus lens and wish you had a zoom? Or do you not even miss a Zoom ?

Just looking for General feedback on people that shoot on both sides of the fence.



Oct 12, 2023 at 10:40 AM
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p.1 #2 · Manual focus lenses versus zoom lenses


I think that the zooms are great for when your access or ability to pick your shooting spot is limited. They also let you get your shot full frame without a crop. If I have more freedom to move, I like the simplicity of going out with only one or two primes. Usually a 24mm and a 40mm for me. Less weight in the hand and usually less weight in the camera bag. I didn't miss AF on a landscape kit, there are a few advantages if your camera supports focus stack bracket shooting but on your a7RII that's not a consideration.

There's shots that I miss by not having everything in the bag but there's places I can go that I wouldn't reach carrying a lot of gear. Landscapes are hobby for me and my mortgage doesn't depend on it.



Oct 12, 2023 at 11:33 AM
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I shoot both primes and zooms for my landscapes, but all are manual focus lenses. I find getting accurate focus on exactly the area I want is much easier with manual focus than auto focus. The throw of most AF lenses is terrible and I struggle using AF lenses in manual focus mode.


Oct 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM
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Califmike33 wrote:
So I'm just looking for feedback from people that actually use manual focus lenses to shoot their landscape do you get out there with your manual focus lens and wish you had a zoom? Or do you not even miss a Zoom ?



Are you asking about manual focus zooms, or autofocus zooms?



Oct 12, 2023 at 11:49 AM
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p.1 #5 · Manual focus lenses versus zoom lenses


I prefer zooms for landscape. Although adding a lens in the 17-21mm range to your 28-75 might be a great solution


Oct 12, 2023 at 11:50 AM
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molson wrote:
Are you asking about manual focus zooms, or autofocus zooms?


Autofocus zooms manual focus zooms both in general but I'm assuming prime lenses are sharper then zooms?



Oct 12, 2023 at 12:16 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
I prefer zooms for landscape. Although adding a lens in the 17-21mm range to your 28-75 might be a great solution


I was considering getting the 17 mm to 28 mm Tamron F 2.8 would be the perfect complement to the lens I already have basically I got everything covered the full range but then there's that part of me that wants to manual focus.



Oct 12, 2023 at 12:17 PM
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Califmike33 wrote:
Autofocus zooms manual focus zooms both in general but I'm assuming prime lenses are sharper then zooms?


Slightly generalized, yes.

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2017/02/things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-zoom-lenses/



Oct 12, 2023 at 12:20 PM
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p.1 #9 · Manual focus lenses versus zoom lenses


I have manual focus zooms 😎

Yes, I went out for some years with adapted manual zooms from Contax-Zeiss, the 35-70, 28-85, 80-200 and 100-300. They are all great (even legendary), and I had much fun and got beautiful-looking images.

Now I have a Sony 16-35 and a Tamron 50-400, simply because it's much more practical for a landscape photographer and hiker. But I still love these Contaxes.

Minolta also has great manual zooms, especially the MD III 35-70 Macro and the MD 75-150 which I can also wholeheartedly recommend.



Oct 12, 2023 at 01:24 PM
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Califmike33 wrote:
Autofocus zooms manual focus zooms both in general but I'm assuming prime lenses are sharper then zooms?


Once stopped down to f8, it would be hard pressed to see much difference between good zooms and primes.



Oct 12, 2023 at 02:23 PM
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+1 on below comment. Although I do not own any zoom lens.
The big thing for me that primes have over zooms is (compact) size. (The brighter aperture comes in handy for nighttime street or concert photography)

chez wrote:
Once stopped down to f8, it would be hard pressed to see much difference between good zooms and primes.




Oct 12, 2023 at 03:28 PM
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Oogappeltje wrote:
+1 on below comment. Although I do not own any zoom lens.
The big thing for me that primes have over zooms is (compact) size. (The brighter aperture comes in handy for nighttime street or concert photography)



+ another on f/8. I do prefer zooms for fewer lens changes. I can use my zoom to get the framing where I want it vs. carrying multiple primes and having to change as I change framing.



Oct 12, 2023 at 03:33 PM
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I like zooms, especially in areas like canyons, rivers and mountains where it is impossible to zoom with your feet.
With modern high megapixel cameras your primes actually are in fact zooms. If you use Topaz Gigapixel, you can get even larger pictures to crop if needed.
The reason I like manual focus primes like the Voightlanders is that they are so nicely made...gives me an old fashioned experience!
I'm also fond of sunstars if properly used and not overdone. the primes like Voightlander give great stars!



Oct 12, 2023 at 03:48 PM
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I use NISI 15/4 and Voigtlander 21/3.5 for the landscape. Sunstars, compact (relative to nisi 15) are great for the landscape, a zoom lens is better for traveling/traveling.


Oct 12, 2023 at 03:52 PM
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You are dealing with a very small sample size here. It's very likely most people use zooms for more hassle-free landscapes, or phones of course.

I shoot landscapes from 15mm to 100mm - which and how many zooms do we need to achieve that? What do they each weigh? How much do they weigh, all up? They don't change themselves out. At what focal length is any zoom lens the best option for landscapes of superior quality, as compared with the MF prime possibilities?

In a nutshell, that is why people start with zooms and end with primes, so very often.

The best MF primes have faster lens speeds, are wonderful at all apertures, small, lightweight, easy to use quickly, easy to pack/carry, great into the very corners, have flat fields, many have APO-level colour performance, incur lower carry weights on-camera/in-bag, focus easily (stronger focal planes), offer creative opportunities (subject isolation), have finer focus fade character, require smaller tripods/heads (if you use one in these IBIS days), can be changed in a minute, have their own character, are durable and rebuildable, use smaller filters/hoods, are made of metal not plastic, have hoods that work rather than only at the short end. Many compositions can be shot using the strongest apertures, from elevated vantage points.

Zooms are fussy, they all have sweet spots outside which you may want to avoid, so they often reduce in utility to become smaller range 'semi-primes'. They lack colour nuance/separation. The lack of versatility continues for apertures - being slower, they need more stop down on average.

They use low-medium grade asph element surfacing, and have huge element counts (so ghosting and glare are issues), many extend often to ridiculous sizes, and balance poorly on the camera body. Many need computer support for their massive distortion levels and CA - a design fudge. They are made down to a price, not up to a quality level! Have you ever seen inside one?

If people can't seen the differences, zooms are definitely an acceptable fall-back option for them. But not for me, and many more like me.

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Oct 12, 2023 at 05:03 PM
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I usually shoot a couple small primes, a 21mm + 35mm + 75/90mm or 2 primes + tele-zoom.

I find the only reason to need a wide zoom is for single shot astro or something not static (like concert photography). Stitching a 21mm gets you so wide.

I do miss a tele zoom when landscaping often if I only bring a 75 or 90mm.

So, 21mm + 35mm + Tamron 70-300/4.5-5.6 is superb light enjoyable combo to use.

Usually my 21mm weighs 220g, my 35mm about 200g and 75mm about 225. The Tamron 70-300/4.5-5.6 is about 500g.

So I use primes mostly for the weight/size reduction and I enjoy MF. To me, one of the great advantages of shooting small manual focus primes is that you can get a variety of characteristics and renderings rather than a zoom, which is pretty much one look. I suppose other people will probably be discouraged to not have consistent rendering and IQ, though. So it cuts both ways.





90mm







70-300mm







21mm







35mm




Oct 12, 2023 at 05:08 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
You are dealing with a very small sample size here. It's very likely most people use zooms for more hassle-free landscapes, or phones of course.

I shoot landscapes from 15mm to 100mm - which and how many zooms do we need to achieve that? What do they each weigh? How much do they weigh, all up? They don't change themselves out. At what focal length is any zoom lens the best option for landscapes of superior quality, as compared with the MF prime possibilities?

In a nutshell, that is why people start with zooms and end with primes, so very
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I like your post, makes sense to me. I think zooms are better in the fill all the gaps, whereas if you have primes you may need to move back and forward to get the proper shot. Again you are right most zooms are soft on the low and the high end in general, but not always. My Tamron is sharp from 28 to about 70mm 75mm is soft and the weak point. I think you may have pushed me over the edge to get prims, Voitlanders, Laowa, etc.



Oct 12, 2023 at 05:50 PM
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I generally prefer manual focus for non-moving subjects like architecture and landscape (or close-ups in those genres). Studio product photography (which I don't do anymore) also requires accurate manual focusing.

I hate nothing more than taking pictures on an outing that is difficult/impossible to redo, getting home only to find a few shots not having the focus I had envisioned.

Coming from Dark Ages when everything was manual focus from 35mm to 4x5 view cameras, I honed my manual focusing skills (with lots of help from Polaroid test shots in 6x7 and 4x5!).

Not that I don't make MF errors sometimes. But at least I know who to blame, and log the memory away for future improvement.

Today's shooting is much trickier than olden times with lenses at the shooting aperture during manual focusing. Although hard to focus due to reduced brightness and lower contrast of dark details, it had the advantage of WYSIWYG. Modern lenses almost always focus wide open, leaving the final result to chance some of the time, especially if the lens has focus shift when stopped down.

Anyhow, I often find a spot to focus on, and take the picture. I love auto-magnified view of dedicated lenses, and even Alt lenses where you can push a button to bring up a magnified section of the subject. Such a wonderful luxury!

Obviously, shooting people or action is best with AF, and offers the highest percent of winners. Shooting sports, kids, weddings, motocross, street photography, etc., I'd want top quality zoom or primes autofocus. Traveling with zooms, obviously AF has the advantage over tedious MF -- pick your focus spot and lock AF -- a little bit of spray-and-pray works well, and all can be sorted out in computer post-production.

PS -- Don't forget Zeiss Loxia lenses! They are a great bargain on the used market, and top quality.

Amen!



Oct 12, 2023 at 05:52 PM
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Califmike33 wrote:
I was considering getting the 17 mm to 28 mm Tamron F 2.8 would be the perfect complement to the lens I already have basically I got everything covered the full range but then there's that part of me that wants to manual focus.


Tons of mf lenses out there. Zeiss 18 & especially 21mn used to be considered excellent.

Lenses like film OM Zuiko 75-150 & 65-200 excellent imo, used 75-150 on film, 65-200 mostly on m4/3



Oct 12, 2023 at 10:22 PM
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My best landscape pictures are usually while backpacking, camping, or hiking with my wife and some friends. I've used MF primes, MF zooms, AF primes, and AF zooms, and the freedom of zooms, especially AF zooms (for environmental portraits), gives me the ability to compose to my minds eye as best as possible (without using a superzoom) and stay with the group / avoid lens changes. But when the prime FL fits, it produces a special image, there's no denying that.

Its almost like choosing quantity vs. quality



Oct 12, 2023 at 11:27 PM
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