Another 40 Cron flare image with creative application, by intent.
I would imagine that with film, it would be difficult to "place" the flare where you want it. With the EVF, I have the option to put the flare in the scene where I want it. I don't know that I'd have that much control over it via the RF only (without a TTL view).
There was a city bus right there before that alien abduction.
p.2 #2 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Desmolicious wrote:
You also have to understand that just because the lens says 40mm on it, it may be more, it may be less. So the only thing to do is try it. It’s not like a 40 on an SLR where is doesn’t actually matter because you are viewing the final result if you have a 100% finder like on an F3.
All my 40s have different actual focal lengths. Also forgot to mention my favorite 40 - the Rollei 40 2.8. Just a lovely lens with fantastic coatings.
Here are uncropped images showing the difference in focal lengths (and colour temp) between my Rollei 40 and my Cv 40 2.8:
Someone above mentioned it’s better to only have one lens and know how it handles - well it is better to have many lenses and know how they handle so you can pick the right tool for the job. ...Show more →
I'd like to second Huss's opinion on the Rollei 40/2.8 Sonnar. It has a bunch of advantages over other 40's that are available in M mount; Size, IQ, flare resistance, haptics, filter thread, and since it is a LTM lens you can pick which adapter to use - 35 or 50. I personally prefer 50mm framelines to visualize 40mm, I frame tightly knowing there's a 'buffer', others prefer 35mm framelines and compose slightly within. Due to its size and excellent IQ it has become an 'EDC' lens on both film & digital for me.
p.2 #3 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Thanks Huss. Appreciate showing the variance between the two. I'll have to check out the Rollei and add it to the list of 40mm's to research. That will be my everyday walk-around lens. When I want to shoot wide, I'll grab the 28mm. I have my eye on the Voigtlander 28 f/2 Ultron Type II, but like the 40mm, I still have some research to do.
I'll play around with them for awhile, then decide if I want some Leica glass after I sell off most of my other 35mm cameras. Still going to keep the old FM2n as a backup since I have some nice Nikon glass.
p.2 #4 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Thanks for the flair examples Rusty. I've been given some good alternatives, so I will have to read up some more. The Rollei might be outside my budget right now though. I am rethinking my plan to get an M5. I like the ergonomics, the meter, and that it is half the price of an M6. However, the maintenance/repair options are pretty slim. I'll have to do some creative accounting if I stretch for the M6.
p.2 #5 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Shop for a M6. There are a lot of them on the market, just don’t be in a rush. Take a look at the Voigtlander 40 1.4 Nokton Classic V2 as a way to get started without a big investment. It’s always easier to add or change lenses once you have an idea of how you want to use the camera. As for a 28, the recently released Voigtlander 28 2.8 Color Skopar V2 is a fine little lens. Small and sharp, it does have some vignetting but check it the reviews.
The M5 is a fine camera but the availability of technicians who will work on them as well as parts becoming harder to find is a consideration. Huss mentioned Jadon Rosario. In 2019 he started working at Advance Camera in Portland, Oregon and his first project there was my M4. He does good work and is worth contacting if you find a camera that needs service.
p.2 #6 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
I’ve checked out the reviews and it seems like you are right. The 40mm 1.4 Nokton looks like a great option. Bonus is that it can be bought brand new. Interesting characteristics going from 1.4 to 2.0, then stopped down even more. Looks like it is great at f/2, with an extra bonus stop for low light or if you want a softer look.
madNbad wrote:
Shop for a M6. There are a lot of them on the market, just don’t be in a rush. Take a look at the Voigtlander 40 1.4 Nokton Classic V2 as a way to get started without a big investment. It’s always easier to add or change lenses once you have an idea of how you want to use the camera. As for a 28, the recently released Voigtlander 28 2.8 Color Skopar V2 is a fine little lens. Small and sharp, it does have some vignetting but check it the reviews.
The M5 is a fine camera but the availability of technicians who will work on them as well as parts becoming harder to find is a consideration. Huss mentioned Jadon Rosario. In 2019 he started working at Advance Camera in Portland, Oregon and his first project there was my M4. He does good work and is worth contacting if you find a camera that needs service. ...Show more →
p.2 #7 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Taken w the Rollei 40 2.8 on an M10r. The two outside shots are heavily backlit w the sun just outside the frame and using a UV filter. Basically the worse scenario possible for flare. But that lens did not flare!
I had the CV 40 1.4 sc and it was great. Sold it attached to a Minolta CLE…
p.2 #8 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
I use a 40mm on my M5 all the time. I use the 50mm lines as an estimate and expect just a little outside the line to be in the photo. I have used the rokkor and voigtlander 40mm. The rokkor can have some really bad flaring but other then that its one of my favorite lenses.
p.2 #9 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Justin.opr wrote:
I use a 40mm on my M5 all the time. I use the 50mm lines as an estimate and expect just a little outside the line to be in the photo. I have used the rokkor and voigtlander 40mm. The rokkor can have some really bad flaring but other then that its one of my favorite lenses.
Interesting, sounds like the Rokkor is very similar to the Summicron 40 then w/re to handling flare. Does anyone have both who can comment?
p.2 #10 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Desmolicious wrote:
Interesting, sounds like the Rokkor is very similar to the Summicron 40 then w/re to handling flare. Does anyone have both who can comment?
AFAIK the Summicron and Rokkor are identical, supplied for the film CL, and they have a simplified rangefinder cam which can give problems/innacuracies on a film M. Not sure how they would work on a digital M.
p.2 #12 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
gyoung143 wrote:
AFAIK the Summicron and Rokkor are identical, supplied for the film CL, and they have a simplified rangefinder cam which can give problems/innacuracies on a film M. Not sure how they would work on a digital M.
I also use the Rokkor on my M10 a lot with no issues. Besides the flaring.
From distant memory of discussion on the Leica Forum, they will give slight innacuracies in focus at intermediate distances on an M camera. I presume not noticeable in normal use
From distant memory of discussion on the Leica Forum, they will give slight innacuracies in focus at intermediate distances on an M camera. I presume not noticeable in normal use
Gerry
There is so much BS on the internet from 'experts' - not directed at you Gerry! - but from threads on places like l-forum.
The proof is in the pudding. I've used the 40 Summicron on my CLEs, my M3, M4-2, M-A, MP, M7, M240, M10r. Zero issues.
I've shot it wide open, I've shot it stopped down, I've shot it near, I've shot it far, I've even shot it from my car...
p.2 #16 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Desmolicious wrote:
There is so much BS on the internet from 'experts' - not directed at you Gerry! - but from threads on places like l-forum.
The proof is in the pudding. I've used the 40 Summicron on my CLEs, my M3, M4-2, M-A, MP, M7, M240, M10r. Zero issues.
I've shot it wide open, I've shot it stopped down, I've shot it near, I've shot it far, I've even shot it from my car...
Well, it was an official Leica statement at the time, because of the different way the CL rangefinder worked. P50, 1974 Leica catalogue, which I happen to have from then when I was well into Leica, has a para about it, concluding 'These lenses can be mounted on the Leica M, but do not provide precise coupling with the rangefinder For this reason we do not recommend using the CL lenses on the Leica M camera.'
Plenty of bs about, even on FM, often from those who see things that aren't really there, or don't know how to look hard enough....
p.2 #17 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
Couple of observations:
- I know you mentioned budget restrictions (most of us have them) - if you have a nice pricy Mamiya setup, is it worth investing the same or even more money to get a Leica setup? Isn't it easier to pick a tool and stick with it? If you want Leica, sell the medium format setup to fund it.
- Check if you can rent or borrow a Leica M with a 35mm or 50mm lens for a weekend. See how you like it. Develop the film.
- Just because the 80mm lens is your fav on your Mamiya, it doesn't mean that 40mm must be your favorite on the Leica rangefinder. You are painting yourself into a corner with some apparent compromises, which might not be the easiest place to start or an optimal focal length on a M rangefinder.
- Leica M5 is my least favorite Leica M and not where I would start looking for Leica magic. Look hard for a used M6, M4-P, or even a CLA'ed M3 (external finder for the 28mm option) IMO.
p.2 #18 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
I was thinking that 35mm format is wider than 6x7, so I'm not sure that 40 is necessarily the equivalent of 80mm. Check both horizontal and vertival field of view, it m,ay be that 35mm is a nearer match, and you have much wider choice in that focal length
p.2 #20 · New to Leica: Questions Regarding 28mm and 40mm
I've shot enough on mirrorless, DSLRs, SLRs, Rangefinders, and TLRs to know what focal lengths match my style. I have plenty of 35mm and 50mm experience to know I can make great images, but don't enjoy it. Also, Gerry is correct that 6x7 and 3x2 make equivalencies fuzzy. I have shot 40mm on 3x2 before, so I am aware of what I am getting into.
Also, people always rag on the M5. It doesn't float everyones boat, but it has real advantages. The larger body works for people with bigger hands, it balances well with bigger lenses, and sometimes the weight helps you shoot at slower shutter speeds. I read all the time that the shutter speed dial is so much easier to use. Also the metering. Yes, the stalk is a potential weak point. However, some people (like me) want a built in spot meter. The viewfinder doesn't have a bunch of frame lines cluttering things up and it has a match-needle indicator. As someone who had a Nikon FE and borrowed a friend's FM, I prefer the match-needle to LED lights. Viewfinder also shows your shutter speed! Finally, some people like the fact that it is the last hand-build "adjust and fit" camera Leica ever made.
The disadvantages for me are: No 28mm frame lines, need a battery adapter or a wein-cell, servicing is practically a one woman show, and a lack of replacement parts. There are a lot of techs that can CLA an M6. So I have ruled out the M5. I'd get an M4-P but I want a meter in the camera. Also, no more separate viewfinders; they are a pain.
