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Archive 2023 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

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Desmolicious wrote:
The Leica OEM metal hot shoe cover for the M10 is $30. And it fits perfectly, looks perfect on the camera.
The Match Technical one - which "fits most" - is $35.

This one is $128

Hot shoe cover

But this waaaay cooler one is only $8

Taxi!

Nicer ones from Artisan Obscura made of wood went price-wise through the roof in recent years. I remember that I bought my first wood-made cover for about $15 more than 6 years ago. Now they cost between $35-50 for the same. Higher demand!

Sep 19, 2023 at 07:34 PM

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More from the QZ 35W with Acros II

Sep 20, 2023 at 03:30 PM

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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

👆🏻 This is why we need a film section

Sep 20, 2023 at 04:17 PM

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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

The QZ design in ways is really smart/simple/clever

If all three dials (two on the top and the aperture ring) are on A - full program mode.
If the focus dial is on anything but A - manual focus. If at the same time the other two dials are on A - Program mode w manual focus. FYI the manual focus mode still uses the focus confirmation dot in the VF to show focus, so you can use that to focus and recompose..

If the Aperture dial is on A, but the shutter speed dial is on a speed - shutter priority. Full speeds 16sec - 1/8000!
If the Shutter dial is on A, but aperture dial is on an aperture - aperture priority.
If both Shutter and Aperture dials are NOT on A - manual mode. And in the VF it shows exposure readout.

Downsides are everything else is in the menus and the font is tiny on the top screen! And of course the weird proprietary flash.

Double exposure w my QZ:

Sep 21, 2023 at 11:21 AM

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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

I never really got into the p&s's, even at release I probably could have gotten a film SLR, plus wide, 50mm, & ~70-210 same price as T2 or a lot less. Even something like Canon photura might have been over $300, enough to get $<125 body, maybe already having 50mm, and a couple lenses

A relative used to have a nice little Canon 35mm FL p&s, lens seemed good, might be a great option if you are looking for a less expensive option. Canonet seemed good too, never really used mine though, got it in a lot. 40mm lens rangefinder.

Sep 21, 2023 at 11:32 AM

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AmbientMike wrote:
I never really got into the p&s's, even at release I probably could have gotten a film SLR, plus wide, 50mm, & ~70-210 same price as T2 or a lot less. Even something like Canon photura might have been over $300, enough to get $<125 body, maybe already having 50mm, and a couple lenses

A relative used to have a nice little Canon 35mm FL p&s, lens seemed good, might be a great option if you are looking for a less expensive option. Canonet seemed good too, never really used mine though, got it in a lot. 40mm lens rangefinder....Show more →

The idea behind P&S cameras is that they are non-threatening to use - anyone can grab and go - the form factor makes them very easy to slip into a pocket, and there is nothing more to get or add on to.
Any film SLR with 35mm lens is going to be huge compared to a T2. And you can't slip the SLR into a pocket, or carry around casually. You are always aware it is there. And so are other people.

I think the surprise for many SLR owners is that many P&S cameras can give results equal to what they were getting from their gear, and with much less hassle.

I miss my Fuji Klasse W because it was tiny and gave results equal to any other 35mm camera with a 28mm lens. But all these P&S cameras break long before an SLR would. Which is a big deal in this present day as they are now breaking.

I use my N80 35mm AF slr as a P&S camera most of the time. And it gives fantastic results for a fraction of the cost of many P&S cameras. But no way can I slip that sucker into a pocket. Anyway, I am not trying to convince anyone to get a high end P&S, this thread is about NOT getting one as they are on their last legs!

Sep 21, 2023 at 07:09 PM

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p.4 #7 · p.4 #7 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

I like the idea of the point and shoots being a nice pocketable camera, but at current pricing, no way.

To some people, having a pocketable camera is worth it, but paying nearly a $1000 for something that can die any day and is not repairable is not a gamble I'm willing to take.

My solution is a 40 2.8 stm on a cheap rebel

Sep 24, 2023 at 12:55 PM

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roofdweller49 wrote:
I like the idea of the point and shoots being a nice pocketable camera, but at current pricing, no way.

To some people, having a pocketable camera is worth it, but paying nearly a $1000 for something that can die any day and is not repairable is not a gamble I'm willing to take.

My solution is a 40 2.8 stm on a cheap rebel

Totally agree. It's nuts to pay big money for a P&S seeing they will die any day now. Advice from Dean at Dean's Camera Repair.

But, there are lots of very nice P&S for dirt cheap if you want a P&S.

And agree, the best deal in film photography are the Rebels, N75/80 type cameras. If all you care about is getting a perfectly exposed, perfectly focused pic.

In my experience a blurry, poorly exposed pic taken with a $5000 Leica = Art.

A blurry, poorly exposed pic taken with a $20 camera = garbage...

Sep 24, 2023 at 01:59 PM

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p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

I guess that's why the x100v sells so well

Oct 02, 2023 at 10:54 PM

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p.4 #10 · p.4 #10 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

Speaking of the analog X100….

Has anyone had good luck with Konica Hexar AF longevity?
That’s the fixed lens autofocus one, not the M mount guy.

Oct 07, 2023 at 11:05 AM

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ottokbre wrote:
Speaking of the analog X100….

Has anyone had good luck with Konica Hexar AF longevity?
That’s the fixed lens autofocus one, not the M mount guy.

I’ve read about sticking shutters and blown capacitors. And a pin breaking in the film door so the camera does not think the back is closed.

Oct 07, 2023 at 12:35 PM

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Desmolicious wrote:
I’ve read about sticking shutters and blown capacitors. And a pin breaking in the film door so the camera does not think the back is closed.

Hmmm. Is it a leaf shutter?
Those lubricants are probably turning to tar after all these years.
Oh, and I was surprised to see that your Rollei QZ is a focal plane shutter.

Oct 07, 2023 at 03:23 PM

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ottokbre wrote:
Hmmm. Is it a leaf shutter?
Those lubricants are probably turning to tar after all these years.
Oh, and I was surprised to see that your Rollei QZ is a focal plane shutter.

Yes, the Konica Hexar AF has a leaf shutter with maximum shutter speed of 1/250 second.

Oct 07, 2023 at 03:55 PM

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Oct 07, 2023 at 05:22 PM

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p.4 #15 · p.4 #15 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

Up next to bat - the mighty Fuji Work Record! Sweet camera with a superb 28mm lens.
Tough, water resistant, fun, huge VF, weirdly powerful flash.

Spend money on one of these, not a fancy pants P&S that will leave you heartbroken...

Oct 07, 2023 at 10:20 PM

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p.4 #16 · p.4 #16 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

Just shot a roll and a half in the Work Project today. The focus is near instantaneous - much quicker than the way more expensive Klasse. And it has one key feature - it never turns off by itself. So the camera is always ready to go, huge OVF, super quick focus. Great lens.
Highly recommended. I like it so much I have two - the regular and the pano version.If you are going to get one, I recommend the pano version as it does everything the standard one does, plus has pano (it just masks off the regular image but the cool thing is the VF changes to match), but you can also manually set zone focus distances.
They are the same money on ebay.

Oct 08, 2023 at 07:01 PM

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panos.v wrote:
Sell it on ebay, just say EXC+++++++++++++ untested, as is, selling for a friend, you know nothing about cameras. Probably make $500

That's exactly what I would never do - dishonest, and basically stealing from the unwitting buyer.

Oct 13, 2023 at 04:41 PM

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crf59 wrote:
That's exactly what I would never do - dishonest, and basically stealing from the unwitting buyer.

Pretty sure panos was kidding! Just reciting ebay ads where they do that sort of stuff.
I’d never sell something w/o full disclosure. I am going to sell this as broken/for parts and describe how it died.

Oct 14, 2023 at 02:31 PM

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p.4 #19 · p.4 #19 · The pitfalls of the high end film P&S

Desmolicious wrote:
Up next to bat - the mighty Fuji Work Record! Sweet camera with a superb 28mm lens.
Tough, water resistant, fun, huge VF, weirdly powerful flash.

Spend money on one of these, not a fancy pants P&S that will leave you heartbroken...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53242443824_88beac09f6_c.jpg

Exactly! I picked up a pair of Konica Genba Kantoku's, the 28WB & DD, for about the same price people are asking for a Klasse hood. Both are waterproof & combine for 28mm, 40mm & 60mm. Super fun & great for the beach, vacations etc.

Oct 14, 2023 at 03:10 PM

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Desmolicious wrote:
Pretty sure panos was kidding! Just reciting ebay ads where they do that sort of stuff.
I’d never sell something w/o full disclosure. I am going to sell this as broken/for parts and describe how it died.

Oh, I know. More a commentary on the way the world is - plenty of people would do that. Seems like there ought to be a niche business repairing the high end compacts. Of course issue is parts.... 3D printing could solve some of that.

Oct 14, 2023 at 05:41 PM

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