Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
p.11 #1Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Desmolicious wrote:
And if I want normal - I have other 28s for that.I don't really see it as a big hassle, especially for street photography and zone focusing. In those situations, you don't need super precise focus, so it's simple to hold the focus ring and adjust the aperture if necessary. But typically, I find myself tinkering with the shutter speed and ISO more than the aperture when I'm in zone focusing mode.
Since I have the Ultron, I'm also more interested in Type I because it operates in a completely different way mechanically and it's even thinner.I'm sorry, as a film shooter I do not understand what you mean by 'tinkering with ..ISO'. Sounds like the devil's work to me.
You lie…Just spin the dial on the back of your camera. It works!
Fred Miranda wrote
Desmolicious wrote
As much as the aperture ring is inconvenient on the type 1, I am drawn to it because like you Bruce, I already have the similar 40 2.8. It will make a nice set.And if I want normal - I have other 28s for that.
Since I have the Ultron, I'm also more interested in Type I because it operates in a completely different way mechanically and it's even thinner.
You lie…Just spin the dial on the back of your camera. It works!
Aug 25, 2023 at 08:46 PM
p.11 #2Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Let see, this week it's why isn't TMax 3200 actually 3200. Last week it was wandering around with some film with the blinding speed of 6. Then the parade of expired movie film that normally settles around 250. It's all those cameras that are marked "ASA" that has him confused.
Aug 25, 2023 at 11:37 PM
p.11 #3Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Most of my cameras use GOST values, but I do have a modern one with DIN.
Aug 26, 2023 at 01:24 AM
p.11 #4Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
And if I want normal - I have other 28s for that.I don't really see it as a big hassle, especially for street photography and zone focusing. In those situations, you don't need super precise focus, so it's simple to hold the focus ring and adjust the aperture if necessary. But typically, I find myself tinkering with the shutter speed and ISO more than the aperture when I'm in zone focusing mode.
Since I have the Ultron, I'm also more interested in Type I because it operates in a completely different way mechanically and it's even thinner.I'm sorry, as a film shooter I do not understand what you mean by 'tinkering with ..ISO'. Sounds like the devil's work to me.You make FM fun! 
You MAKE FM!
Desmolicious wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Desmolicious wrote
As much as the aperture ring is inconvenient on the type 1, I am drawn to it because like you Bruce, I already have the similar 40 2.8. It will make a nice set.And if I want normal - I have other 28s for that.
Since I have the Ultron, I'm also more interested in Type I because it operates in a completely different way mechanically and it's even thinner.
You MAKE FM!
Aug 26, 2023 at 01:25 AM
p.11 #5Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Does anyone know the difference in focus throw between the Type I and Type II styles?
Aug 28, 2023 at 03:26 PM
p.11 #6Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Dunno, but (I think this has already been covered) interesting to see the Type 1 focuses down to 70cm, but the Type II focuses down to 50cm.
So I'd ass-ume the Type II has a longer throw.
So I'd ass-ume the Type II has a longer throw.
Aug 28, 2023 at 05:43 PM
p.11 #7Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Desmolicious wrote:
Dunno, but (I think this has already been covered) interesting to see the Type 1 focuses down to 70cm, but the Type II focuses down to 50cm.
So I'd ass-ume the Type II has a longer throw.
You're right, the focus throw should be longer to factor that in. I might give the Type I a shot since I have the matching 40/2.8.
Dunno, but (I think this has already been covered) interesting to see the Type 1 focuses down to 70cm, but the Type II focuses down to 50cm.
So I'd ass-ume the Type II has a longer throw.
You're right, the focus throw should be longer to factor that in. I might give the Type I a shot since I have the matching 40/2.8.
Aug 29, 2023 at 05:54 PM
p.11 #8Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
That's a great place to take photos—didn't realize until searching just now that these 'museums' are all over the country. Thanks for sharing.
Aug 30, 2023 at 02:24 PM
p.11 #9Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
I received my copy of the Type II version and I'm getting color shift on both the right and left side of the frame using my Canon R6 + Rayqual adapter. I've used the Leica 35 Summarit 2.5 and Voigtlander 35 Nokton 1.4 on this camera and I've had no color shift issues. Maybe my camera sensor can't handle the 28mm. From everything I've read online, the Canon R5 and R6 shouldn't have issues with M mount wide angle lenses. Any thoughts?
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Sep 01, 2023 at 12:48 PM
p.11 #10Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
Does anyone know the difference in focus throw between the Type I and Type II styles?
I saw a photo the other day of the type I mounted on a M and at mfd, the focus knob was by the corner of the viewfinder window.
Does anyone know the difference in focus throw between the Type I and Type II styles?
I saw a photo the other day of the type I mounted on a M and at mfd, the focus knob was by the corner of the viewfinder window.
Sep 01, 2023 at 12:56 PM
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p.11 #11Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
acanton wrote:
... I'm getting color shift on both the right and left side of the frame using my Canon R6 + Rayqual adapter.
Try it with an inexpensive adapter that is on the thin side, the thinner the better (ie. the lens should focus past infinity)...
... I'm getting color shift on both the right and left side of the frame using my Canon R6 + Rayqual adapter.
Try it with an inexpensive adapter that is on the thin side, the thinner the better (ie. the lens should focus past infinity)...
Sep 01, 2023 at 01:17 PM
p.11 #12Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
krysdafur wrote:
I saw a photo the other day of the type I mounted on a M and at mfd, the focus knob was by the corner of the viewfinder window.
I'll be receiving a Type I style camera tomorrow, and I'll try it out and share the outcomes here.
Fred Miranda wrote
Does anyone know the difference in focus throw between the Type I and Type II styles?I'll be receiving a Type I style camera tomorrow, and I'll try it out and share the outcomes here.
Sep 01, 2023 at 01:26 PM
p.11 #13Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
mapgraphs wrote:
Try it with an inexpensive adapter that is on the thin side, the thinner the better (ie. the lens should focus past infinity)...
I tried it with an Urth adapter earlier because I thought maybe it was the adapter but the Urth adapter had the same issue - maybe just a little less pronounced.
acanton wrote
... I'm getting color shift on both the right and left side of the frame using my Canon R6 + Rayqual adapter.I tried it with an Urth adapter earlier because I thought maybe it was the adapter but the Urth adapter had the same issue - maybe just a little less pronounced.
Sep 01, 2023 at 01:33 PM
p.11 #14Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
mapgraphs wrote:
Try it with an inexpensive adapter that is on the thin side, the thinner the better (ie. the lens should focus past infinity)...
An adapter will not influence colour shift unfortunately.
acanton wrote
... I'm getting color shift on both the right and left side of the frame using my Canon R6 + Rayqual adapter.An adapter will not influence colour shift unfortunately.
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:30 PM
p.11 #15Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
I can take a lens that exhibits the so-called Italian Flag Effect on an M and put the same lens with a thin adapter on a Sony or Nikon and eliminate the effect... YMMV
Edit: To elaborate somewhat, one problem with edge color cast is lens registration distance. As with trying to use FSU LTM lenses on an M body (film or digital), registration distance can affect output. In the case of FSU lenses one can add or remove shims as desired, or alter the registration distance of the lens via an adapter. The profile of the lens field curvature also comes into play, depending on the point-of-focus and aperture combination. And then there is a particular sensor's well and micro lens array and cover glass thickness question... If you'd like an optical engineer's perspective on some of the issues I'd suggest checking out some of Sonar Brian's threads on RFF...
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Edit: To elaborate somewhat, one problem with edge color cast is lens registration distance. As with trying to use FSU LTM lenses on an M body (film or digital), registration distance can affect output. In the case of FSU lenses one can add or remove shims as desired, or alter the registration distance of the lens via an adapter. The profile of the lens field curvature also comes into play, depending on the point-of-focus and aperture combination. And then there is a particular sensor's well and micro lens array and cover glass thickness question... If you'd like an optical engineer's perspective on some of the issues I'd suggest checking out some of Sonar Brian's threads on RFF...
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Sep 02, 2023 at 04:35 AM
p.11 #16Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Still doesn't change the fact that an adapter doesn't influence the colour shift. The camera's hardware does, ie sensor and cover glass combination.
Sep 02, 2023 at 05:01 AM
p.11 #17Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
mapgraphs wrote:
I can take a lens that exhibits the so-called Italian Flag Effect on an M and put the same lens with a thin adapter on a Sony or Nikon and eliminate the effect... YMMV
But this has nothing to do with the adapter.
Your Leica M has a FSI sensor and purple/mangent color cast.
The color shift is not eliminated on your Sony or Nikon! Because of a BSI sensor, these two cameras have no purple but a slightliy green color cast. Which cannot be seen in some situations.
I can take a lens that exhibits the so-called Italian Flag Effect on an M and put the same lens with a thin adapter on a Sony or Nikon and eliminate the effect... YMMV
But this has nothing to do with the adapter.
Your Leica M has a FSI sensor and purple/mangent color cast.
The color shift is not eliminated on your Sony or Nikon! Because of a BSI sensor, these two cameras have no purple but a slightliy green color cast. Which cannot be seen in some situations.
Sep 02, 2023 at 05:08 AM
p.11 #18Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
I just got the CV 28/2.8 Color-Skopar "Type I" style lens. It looks amazing! While the Type II lens does focus closer at 0.5m and is about 30 grams lighter, there's something about the Type I with its black-painted brass barrel and clicky aperture that I really love. It also appears even slimmer than the Type II.
Sep 02, 2023 at 05:31 PM
p.11 #19Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just got the CV 28/2.8 Color-Skopar "Type I" style lens. It looks amazing! While the Type II lens does focus closer at 0.5m and is about 30 grams lighter, there's something about the Type I with its black-painted brass barrel and clicky aperture that I really love. It also appears even slimmer than the Type II.
You ever thought about getting a close up filter for this lens? That would take care of the min focus distance.
I just got the CV 28/2.8 Color-Skopar "Type I" style lens. It looks amazing! While the Type II lens does focus closer at 0.5m and is about 30 grams lighter, there's something about the Type I with its black-painted brass barrel and clicky aperture that I really love. It also appears even slimmer than the Type II.
You ever thought about getting a close up filter for this lens? That would take care of the min focus distance.
Sep 02, 2023 at 05:33 PM
p.11 #20Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
The "Summaron-M 1:5.6/2.8" lens 6-bit code works best for reducing vignetting on the Voigtlander 28/2.8 Color-Skopar lens. I've tried the "28 f/2.8 11804", "28 f/2.8 11819", "28 f/2.8 ASPH. 11606" and "28 f/5.6 11695" codes, and the last one, "28 f/5.6 11695," gives the most effective in-camera correction for vignetting.
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Sep 02, 2023 at 05:43 PM