JadedWriter wrote:
I do a good amount of video work and I'm starting to use the XH2S more than the Z9 for screen reasons. I was doing videos in a library between bookcases. You kind of cannot compose well standing behind the camera and get enough of the subject at 50mm so I had the camera and tripod up against one case and then tilted the screen towards me as I stood next to it. I get the photography complaints, but camera companies at this point are trying to be as hybrid as possible. X-T5 screen notwithstanding.
I imagine ZF wouldn’t be a video centric camera though.
Nikon would want to sell this to as many people as humanly possible, thus flip screen. You "pure" photographers can fight this all you want, but companies in general are trying to make their cameras appeal to hybrid photographers. What this does for the next gen Z6/7 cameras who knows though. I wouldn't mind the flip screen though after having a Z6II screen being blocked by a gimbal handle and having the gimbal arm block the EVF and turning the screen off recently. akul wrote:
What matters is if Zf is to promote stills, it should have tilt screen and not articulating screen. Any video is a ‘by the way’ additional feature.
JadedWriter wrote:
Nikon would want to sell this to as many people as humanly possible, thus flip screen. You "pure" photographers can fight this all you want, but companies in general are trying to make their cameras appeal to hybrid photographers. What this does for the next gen Z6/7 cameras who knows though. I wouldn't mind the flip screen though after having a Z6II being blocked by a gimbal handle recently.
Well, for video, I bought Z 30, which does the job fine. When it is a gesture camera, better stick with what it is promoting. Otherwise, it feels like a pretend Japanese restaurant that actually is a Chinese restaurant making sushi.
P.S. Df does not even record video. That is pushing it too far for today for Nikon from the reason you describe.
DF was made in a different time period. That camera ain't flying today unless you're Leica. Z30 is a good enough video camera as long as you never need 4K30 since I'm pretty sure that's cropped on it. I've personally been using the Fuji X-H2S more these days. I just think most cameras are making more versatile products to appeal to more people instead of making them niche products. X-T5 for example got the screen it got because it was tiered as the photo camera and Fuji didn't want that competing with it's higher end line. akul wrote:
Well, for video, I bought Z 30, which does the job fine. When it is a gesture camera, better stick with what it is promoting. Otherwise, it feels like a pretend Japanese restaurant that actually is a Chinese restaurant making sushi.
P.S. Df does not even record video. That is pushing it too far for today for Nikon from the reason you describe.
JadedWriter wrote:
DF was made in a different time period. That camera ain't flying today unless you're Leica. Z30 is a good enough video camera as long as you never need 4K30 since I'm pretty sure that's cropped on it. I've personally been using the Fuji X-H2S more these days. I just think most cameras are making more versatile products to appeal to more people instead of making them niche products. X-T5 for example got the screen it got because it was tiered as the photo camera and Fuji didn't want that competing with it's higher end line.
Rumor spec is agreeing with your point, which I am questioning why bother introducing just a retro skinned Z5~6 ish cam with possibly a pixel-shift based ‘high-res’ mode (stills oriented) which also want to be a hybrid cam. If Nikon makes a great camera in that approach, then, great. It may not be for me, but that’s all right.
XH2S eh? Looks like a great camera.
From what I've heard ZFC sold bucket loads. This with the 40 F2 sounds like a great night out with hypothetical wife/girlfriend single camera carry. Should be fine for street as well. Nikon just needs to make more SE lenses to fit the aesthetic. Put the 14-30 or 20 1.8 on it and it magically turns into a vlogging camera. akul wrote:
Rumor spec is agreeing with your point, which I am questioning why bother introducing just a retro skinned Z5~6 ish cam with possibly a pixel-shift based ‘high-res’ mode (stills oriented) which also want to be a hybrid cam. If Nikon makes a great camera in that approach, then, great. It may not be for me, but that’s all right.
XH2S eh? Looks like a great camera.
JadedWriter wrote:
From what I've heard ZFC sold bucket loads. This with the 40 F2 sounds like a great night out with hypothetical wife/girlfriend single camera carry. Should be fine for street as well. Nikon just needs to make more SE lenses to fit the aesthetic. Put the 14-30 or 20 1.8 on it and it magically turns into a vlogging camera.
I think you hit the key point here... The Zfc is an indicator of what a retro camera can do for Nikon sales. While I think some nostalgic "Boomers and Xers" in North America & Europe might buy the Zf, the new camera will likely do very well in Asia. There are a lot of people that live in Asia, and if sales are strong there, this will be good for Nikon.
The need for additional SE lenses is clear. Nikon would do well to develop "kit" of SE lenses that meet the traditional street shooter's needs... Maybe a 35mm f2, 50mm f2, and 85mm f2 with the SE designation. By putting a control ring on these lenses, users could set this to aperture control and bring back the "all manual" feel of the Nikon FM/FE to which these bodies emulate. Heck, I'm sure it would not be difficult to add an on/off electronic "click-stop" to the control ring so that users could have the tactile experience of changing apertures...
Do the "control ring" Fuji style. I turn mine off on the Z lenses since the things move just by looking at them. OwlsEyes wrote:
I think you hit the key point here... The Zfc is an indicator of what a retro camera can do for Nikon sales. While I think some nostalgic "Boomers and Xers" in North America & Europe might buy the Zf, the new camera will likely do very well in Asia. There are a lot of people that live in Asia, and if sales are strong there, this will be good for Nikon.
The need for additional SE lenses is clear. Nikon would do well to develop "kit" of SE lenses that meet the traditional street shooter's needs... Maybe a 35mm f2, 50mm f2, and 85mm f2 with the SE designation. By putting a control ring on these lenses, users could set this to aperture control and bring back the "all manual" feel of the Nikon FM/FE to which these bodies emulate. Heck, I'm sure it would not be difficult to add an on/off electronic "click-stop" to the control ring so that users could have the tactile experience of changing apertures...
OwlsEyes wrote:
I think you hit the key point here... The Zfc is an indicator of what a retro camera can do for Nikon sales. While I think some nostalgic "Boomers and Xers" in North America & Europe might buy the Zf, the new camera will likely do very well in Asia. There are a lot of people that live in Asia, and if sales are strong there, this will be good for Nikon.
The need for additional SE lenses is clear. Nikon would do well to develop "kit" of SE lenses that meet the traditional street shooter's needs... Maybe a 35mm f2, 50mm f2, and 85mm f2 with the SE designation. By putting a control ring on these lenses, users could set this to aperture control and bring back the "all manual" feel of the Nikon FM/FE to which these bodies emulate. Heck, I'm sure it would not be difficult to add an on/off electronic "click-stop" to the control ring so that users could have the tactile experience of changing apertures...
Not necessarily and it borders on "corelation does not mean causation". The Z fc is also a better video camera than the Z50 because it has the much-better-for-video articulating screen and USB-C constant power. Those things make it a good hybrid camera, which will also include people who want the better video features but don't really care about the classic controls and also ignore them.
The same is going to apply for this retro camera especially if it's going to have the articulating screen as rumoured. The articulating screen is there as a deliberate decision to include people who are also looking for a camera that can also do video. Nikon knows they need to make this camera appealing to not only to the nostalgia market, but also to the modern day user. Just relying on the classic controls isn't going to be enough, it's not going to be that big a pull as we might imagine it to be.
We just need to look at Fujifilm and the X-H line. The X-H1 had the classic control dials, but lost them when the X-H2/S came around. That's about as big an indicator as it gets.
I meant 4K60, since I'm constantly dealing with the crop at work on the Z6II, didn't care enough to fix the typo, but yeah. 4K30 is fine. ilkka_nissila wrote:
That's not correct. The Z30 records 4K30 using the full width of the sensor (as does the Zfc).
JadedWriter wrote:
Do the "control ring" Fuji style. I turn mine off on the Z lenses since the things move just by looking at them.
I wish Nikon would have gone with control rings that had a strong detent, but of course that would likely offend some of the video shooters... At the very least, they should have been dampened somehow to prevent accidentally activation. Even on the Fuji, the detents really aren't that strong, and it's easily to accidentally "bump" them.
Yup. Sony's route of click and clickless is much better. oguruma wrote:
I wish Nikon would have gone with control rings that had a strong detent, but of course that would likely offend some of the video shooters... At the very least, they should have been dampened somehow to prevent accidentally activation. Even on the Fuji, the detents really aren't that strong, and it's easily to accidentally "bump" them.
I'm in minority's minority for sure because I don't feel any lack in the hardware department at all for the time being. I feel what I have is more than sufficient for my purpose. What I do need is more creativity instead.
Rumor spec is agreeing with your point, which I am questioning why bother introducing just a retro skinned Z5~6 ish cam with possibly a pixel-shift based ‘high-res’ mode (stills oriented) which also want to be a hybrid cam. If Nikon makes a great camera in that approach, then, great. It may not be for me, but that’s all right.
XH2S eh? Looks like a great camera.
Luka
Might be a little more to it. If not just for aesthetics the possible leaked photo is showing a large(r) EVF hump potentially so they may have done something extra for the VF like they did with the Df.
For others, the change is UI is enough reason.
We also don’t know the sensor/CPU combo. I’m inclined to think it’s the same Z6II combo given the Z6/7 II are also rumoured for a FW update but an EXPEED 7 would give this model a lot more legs for future updates. Plus it’s a more compact model so a single EXPEED may save a bit of space and potentially run cooler given other space saving rumoured specs like microSD.
