p.20 #5 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
If someone is starting from scratch, and has no preference on size (both cameras and lens), I have to say Z8 has the best performance/price ratio right now among the top of the line from all 3 manufacturers.
p.20 #6 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
zeitlos wrote:
Thank you. Very informative!
Btw. I just checked when the A7III was release => 2018. The A7IV 2021. So maybe one more year and I can upgrade to the A7V then.
But let‘s see, I will check the Nikon Z8 as soon as it‘s on stock at my dealer.
As far as the A7RV is concerned, I also fear too much noise. I‘m curious to find out how the Z8 compares. I also hope that there will be more in detail tests of the Z8 soon.
I hear you on the A7V. But it took Sony 3.75 years to come out with the A7IV. The A7III was released April of 2018. So if Sony keeps on track? You are looking at sometime in 2025 for the A7V.
May 19, 2023 at 08:45 AM
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p.20 #7 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
tctmp wrote:
If someone is starting from scratch, and has no preference on size (both cameras and lens), I have to say Z8 has the best performance/price ratio right now among the top of the line from all 3 manufacturers.
not if you have to buy glass for it, the z-mount lens lineup is limited and it's loaded with slow stepper motor technology that other companies have abandoned.
so yeah, if you don't care about battery life and you own a bunch of f-mount glass, z8 is no-brainer.
p.20 #8 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
tctmp wrote:
If someone is starting from scratch, and has no preference on size (both cameras and lens), I have to say Z8 has the best performance/price ratio right now among the top of the line from all 3 manufacturers.
Glass is much more important than cameras these days. Sony has by far the best overall selection of glass.
p.20 #9 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Can we stop with the slow stepper motor technology already?!? sheesh
If they have quality glass, in the basics, and the motor tech they are using can keep up with the demands from the camera, which by the way is faster than the majority of Sony cameras except for the A1 and A9 cameras, what does it matter what the tech is?
I haven't seen any Nikon users complain that the speed of the lens is lacking. Let's move on from that already.
May 19, 2023 at 09:38 AM
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p.20 #10 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
chez wrote:
Glass is much more important than cameras these days. Sony has by far the best overall selection of glass.
Depends on uses and budget. If you're starting from scratch, doing wildlife/bird photography, and have the budget for a 400F2.8 or 600F4, the Nikon system seems superior. For everything else, I think you Sony's lens selection is superior.
p.20 #11 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
I agree Sony has the best variety of lens and fewer holes. But I feel Nikon Z lens are good enough for most situations and shouldn't stop most people if they start from scratch. However, with airlines losing more and more luggages, and I'm trying to stay carryon only, I find myself placing more emphasis on the size of the equipment.
p.20 #12 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
berimbolo wrote:
Depends on uses and budget. If you're starting from scratch, doing wildlife/bird photography, and have the budget for a 400F2.8 or 600F4, the Nikon system seems superior. For everything else, I think you Sony's lens selection is superior.
I have no interest in those big bazookas, but I have been under the impression the Sony 400 and 600 are top notch lenses.
May 19, 2023 at 09:51 AM
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p.20 #13 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
berimbolo wrote:
Depends on uses and budget. If you're starting from scratch, doing wildlife/bird photography, and have the budget for a 400F2.8 or 600F4, the Nikon system seems superior. For everything else, I think you Sony's lens selection is superior.
If you only have the budget for a 400 f/4.5 or the budget for that and an 800 F/6.3 PF, those are some really good and small for what they are Nikon lenses. Sony has no alternatives.
On a tight budget there is also the Nikon F glass that works as well as (or a bit better) on a camera like the Z8 as it ever did on a DSLR. That can provide a bunch of compelling options for inexpensive but still useful and even quite nice glass that generally isn't available on Sony (although I do love my Sony/Zeiss A mount 135 f/1.8).
Sony has great lenses, but so does Nikon, and so does Canon and each has some unique lenses too (some absolutely love the Canon 28-70 f/2L). At this point I think general statements like company X has better glass are meaningless. Rather we are at the point where company X's glass is the better fit for me and people will have very different and reasonable answers.
p.20 #14 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Lens size and selection is definitely something to consider if we are talking about starting from scratch with these systems.
If we are going by the forum anecdotes, then it would seem that some will make the switch specifically for Nikons long glass. They did themselves a service by making something that Sony seems to be lacking/ignoring. Long primes that are reasonably priced.
Majority of users in the mirrorless world have already chosen between and Canon and Sony however when it comes to the regular stuff.
p.20 #15 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Dultimate wrote:
Can we stop with the slow stepper motor technology already?!? sheesh
If they have quality glass, in the basics, and the motor tech they are using can keep up with the demands from the camera, which by the way is faster than the majority of Sony cameras except for the A1 and A9 cameras, what does it matter what the tech is?
I haven't seen any Nikon users complain that the speed of the lens is lacking. Let's move on from that already.
I’ve found stepper model lenses on Sony to be a step or two slower than linear AF lenses. Good examples are the Sony 200-600mm and Sigma 100-400mm compared to the Sony 100-400mm - the latter lens seems to be a bit faster in my experiences with all three.
The stepper model probably doesn’t matter as much with wider lenses but for telephoto lenses, I think the performance difference is there.
Nikon users haven’t complained since they haven’t tried faster AF motor lenses. However, even on Nikon’s top end lenses, they’re moving to linear AF type technologies.
May 19, 2023 at 09:59 AM
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p.20 #16 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Steve Spencer wrote:
If you only have the budget for a 400 f/4.5 or the budget for that and an 800 F/6.3 PF, those are some really good and small for what they are Nikon lenses. Sony has no alternatives.
On a tight budget there is also the Nikon F glass that works as well as (or a bit better) on a camera like the Z8 as it ever did on a DSLR. That can provide a bunch of compelling options for inexpensive but still useful and even quite nice glass that generally isn't available on Sony (although I do love my Sony/Zeiss A mount 135 f/1.8).
My issue with those two lenses is that they are either too long or too short for my uses. I realize that we can swap lenses in the field, but that can mean missing the shot you wanted. But yeah, I wish Sony had either one of those lenses, because they would be nice additions to the lineup.
I haven't committed to buying either 400 or 600 GM, but my understanding is that they are incredible in terms of sharpness, IQ and focusing speed. Only advantage of the Nikon offerings is the built in TC.
Sony has great lenses, but so does Nikon, and so does Canon and each has some unique lenses too (some absolutely love the Canon 28-70 f/2L). At this point I think general statements like company X has better glass are meaningless. Rather we are at the point where company X's glass is the better fit for me and people will have very different and reasonable answers....Show more →
p.20 #17 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
tctmp wrote:
I agree Sony has the best variety of lens and fewer holes. But I feel Nikon Z lens are good enough for most situations and shouldn't stop most people if they start from scratch. However, with airlines losing more and more luggages, and I'm trying to stay carryon only, I find myself placing more emphasis on the size of the equipment.
Sony has the best selection in the wide to normal range, but both Nikon and Canon beats them when it comes to long telephotos.
Canon also has the 28-70mm f2, which cannot be matched by either Sony or Nikon.
But if you want to shoot a little bit of everything and get lenses from various price segments then Sony is unbeatable.
It'd be interesting to make a list of unique lenses that offers something that a competing system cannot match (whether in terms of price, quality, size or focal range). Some that came to my mind (subjective of course):
p.20 #18 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Steve Spencer wrote:
If you only have the budget for a 400 f/4.5 or the budget for that and an 800 F/6.3 PF, those are some really good and small for what they are Nikon lenses. Sony has no alternatives.
On a tight budget there is also the Nikon F glass that works as well as (or a bit better) on a camera like the Z8 as it ever did on a DSLR. That can provide a bunch of compelling options for inexpensive but still useful and even quite nice glass that generally isn't available on Sony (although I do love my Sony/Zeiss A mount 135 f/1.8).
Sony has great lenses, but so does Nikon, and so does Canon and each has some unique lenses too (some absolutely love the Canon 28-70 f/2L). At this point I think general statements like company X has better glass are meaningless. Rather we are at the point where company X's glass is the better fit for me and people will have very different and reasonable answers....Show more →
The Sony 200-600mm is a much better value proposition for most wildlife shooters who “don’t have the budget” for a 400mm 2.8 or 600mm f4. If i can afford both a 400mm f4.5 and a 800mm f6.3 (almost $10k for both and carrying both is much larger in volume than a 200-600mm), I might as well as just stretch and buy a 400mm f2.8 + TCs or 600mm f4 + TCs.
Main value proposition of the 400mm f4.5 is that it’s smaller but it’s not necessarily better than the 200-600mm. Nikon has no answer for that yet beyond a slide in a presentation. The idea of Nikon being better in wildlife is true for a certain midrange of photographers that’s probably over presented on this forum but at the lower end, there isn’t an answer for the 200-600mm yet and maybe Nikon’s premium super telephotos are marginally better than Sony’s for having a built in TC but you’re paying for it too.
p.20 #19 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
jaygould wrote:
Sony has the best selection in the wide to normal range, but both Nikon and Canon beats them when it comes to long telephotos.
Canon also has the 28-70mm f2, which cannot be matched by either Sony or Nikon.
But if you want to shoot a little bit of everything and get lenses from various price segments then Sony is unbeatable.
It'd be interesting to make a list of unique lenses that offers something that a competing system cannot match (whether in terms of price, quality, size or focal range). Some that came to my mind (subjective of course):
p.20 #20 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
jaygould wrote:
Sony has the best selection in the wide to normal range, but both Nikon and Canon beats them when it comes to long telephotos.
Canon also has the 28-70mm f2, which cannot be matched by either Sony or Nikon.
But if you want to shoot a little bit of everything and get lenses from various price segments then Sony is unbeatable.
It'd be interesting to make a list of unique lenses that offers something that a competing system cannot match (whether in terms of price, quality, size or focal range). Some that came to my mind (subjective of course):
Without giving it too much thought, I think you left off quite a few. No tilt-shift lenses listed. Canon's new 100-300 2.8, older 200-400. Nikon 120-300 2.8. I could probably list a lot more
