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 p.15 #10 · Z8 vs R5? I'm just curious... | |
duncang wrote:
Ah more of a generalisation... I get it.
Good to see you've moved over to the mirrorless dark side these days and embraced a high performance AF speedster that is the Z9 - for someone who laughed off mirrorless not so long ago you certainly gone all in, what with the Z8 order as well.
There is no "juggernaut" Mirrorless has flatlined for the last 3 years, hardly a juggernaut. Juggernaut meaning: "a huge a huge, powerful, and overwhelming force." Something flatling for 3 years ain't no "juggernaut",  .
"As much as I agree that bird eye AF would be good, it just devalues skill and ability. However, I can generally get the shot without much trouble and that is part of the thrill of the hunt for me. Using my skill in order to get the shot without the need to just point and shoot and let the camera do the rest. Yes, you get the shot, but you almost feel un-needed in the hunt."
Anyway don't take this seriously - keep up the good work - your pics are generally gorgeous - maybe try elevate your comments to the same lofty standard as your images.
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You are taking my comment above out of contex. At the time, ML had flatlined for 3 years as attested by a number of reputable on-line sources and hence the comment. It was also written over 5 years ago and one wonders the intention behind searching my many thousands of posts in order to find this particular one in order to somehow disparage my stance.
The "juggernaut" of ML really ony took off once Canon and Nikon joined in the ML race. Yes, Sony started the ML FF race and developed much of the technology etc, but the fact is they *had* to make ML work as they couldn't break into the duopoly of Canon and Nikon in the DSLR world. Sony are an electronics company first and foremost and they had to develop technology specifically for ML to work but it wasn't until that technology was mature enough that Canon and Nikon could use it successfully enough to entice their loyal DSLR following. Things like EVF's, sensor AF and processing power etc had to be at a level that was going to get users to possibly switch.
I liken it to say Compact Disc and digital audio as an example, co-developed by Sony and Philips. The co-development was imperative to it's success in order to be accepted by the industry as a whole. The idea of digital recording had been around for quite a while and the first proper recording system was around 1971 using tape but was costly and cumbersome and was not portable nor for the casual music lover due to this. Sony and Philips wanted to use an optical system for a variety of benefits they envisioned and they settled on a 120mm disc that could record at least Beethoven's 9th symphony in one go or about 74minutes of music. The 120mm size was for portability and the use in a car audio system amongst other desires for the system as a whole. However, they had to wait until a cheap and reliable way to make a precision laser reading system and a way to record that onto a silver disc before the whole thing could be usitilised. In other words, technology had to catch up with the desired application as well as cheap enough pricing for it to be taken up by the public - like so many inventions we now use and will use in the future.
So, whilst Sony made large strides in developing the ML camera system, it needed to be at a point of development before Canon and Nikon could see the benefit both technologically-wise, cost-wise and application-wise.
As for my reason to change. By 2018 when the Z7 was released, I was looking for a lightweight system for travel as I was heading off to China and I didn't want to take my D850 and F mounts due to size and weight. I was about to buy a Fuji APS C system as a lightweight travel system when the Z7 was announced and inside sources said that the Z7's EVF was excellent, better than any before it. The EVF I had seen from Sony etc were not that nice and was one of the major reasons for my dislike of ML up to that point but was willing to put up with it for travel and using a Fuji system.
The other large deciding factor was the new Z mount and the promise of IQ benefits which it delivered and did bring to Z mount lenses. The other benefit was that I could use my F mount lenses with full benefit so a transition could take place without having to dump an entire system and buy new. Another benefit was the fact that some lenses could be made smaller and lighter yet with IQ benefits as well. All these factors were a large reason for my buying the Z7.
The Z7 was so nice to use, due to the lovely EVF, the small and lightweight body and other ML advantages, that I ended up enjoying using it more then my D850 and D500 and used it for 99% of my photography. I only kept my D850/D500 for BIF AF tracking but rarely used them anyway. I slowly sold off my F mount glass as Z mount versions came along. The benefit of the Z mount saw some smaller and lighter lenses and also especially for Nikon's "Holy Trinity", except the 70-200 f2.8 as the benefit of the Z mount for smaller size and weight is seen at the wider end not the tele end, but at the tele end IQ benefits are also seen.
So, you can see this is not about ML not being better or "laughiung it off", just that it was definitely not ready at that time when I made those comments. Why would I or anyone jump to an inferior system (at that time) compared to my D850/D500 which obtained the results I required? Why would anyone? As a "toe in the water" and gradual transition, the Z7 was the perfect way to go for me and it would seem quite a number of others. I thought Nikon's transition into ML was well done, IMO. However, once ML obtained a level that was satisfactory for my use, I was happy to jump completely over but it needed the technology to get there first. It would seem that is the case for so many Canon and Nikon users, it has finally obtained a level of ability across all aspects that people are now coming across.
So, my comments do not need "elevating" in any way as my comments were applicable at the time. An understanding of the way things need to occur like technology advancements etc need elevating by others.
However, I do appreciate the olive branch post and I thank you very much for your kind comments on my photos. Much appreciated.
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