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Archive 2023 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

ramesesthe2nd wrote:
It is also a big minus. No matter what lens you buy, you will always be looking at something newer and shinier down the line. The Sony system is not good for people like me with GAS issues.

Lolol… truth! Same here. Given my excellent experience with the Sammy 135 I would have waited for this lens but just acquired the Tammy which is really an excellent lens.

Apr 06, 2023 at 10:30 AM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

Dammit Samyang. Every time I try to leave you, you pull me back in. This looks like a winner simply because of the price. And as someone else said, the price will reduce rather drastically so we should be able to get it later this year for less than $1K.

The weight, however. Wish they could have made it lighter somehow. Can't have it all, I guess.

Apr 06, 2023 at 10:45 AM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

Price difference makes Samyang a no brainer.

I also like the colours of Samyang, Tamron is as warm as Sigma.

Apr 06, 2023 at 11:01 AM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

I'd probably say the Tamron 6 year warranty makes the Tamron a no brainer, especially given Samyang's history of quality control.

Apr 06, 2023 at 11:20 AM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

MAubrey wrote:
I'd probably say the Tamron 6 year warranty makes the Tamron a no brainer, especially given Samyang's history of quality control.

I’ve bought many lenses over the years. Either the lens is a lemon ( decentered etc…) or it works forever. You can determine a lemon in the first few days and exchange the lens. I don’t feel having a 6 year warranty on a lens adds much value to the lens. Surely not $500 worth.

Apr 06, 2023 at 11:24 AM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

chez wrote:
I’ve bought many lenses over the years. Either the lens is a lemon ( decentered etc…) or it works forever. You can determine a lemon in the first few days and exchange the lens. I don’t feel having a 6 year warranty on a lens adds much value to the lens. Surely not $500 worth.

definitely not worth 500, but it's not worthless either, I've had to use the warranty a few times on the tamrons, at the near end of the warranty, and it's been honored. The physical zoom function will wear out, these are not primes that can last much longer.

aside from that, Tom calton has then samyang and says the IQ is comparable to the tamron, and that's pretty darn good. By now, tamron should lower their price a bit to stay competitive, they enjoyed over a year with their product with no competition.

Apr 06, 2023 at 11:37 AM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

mogul wrote:
This is the big plus about the Sony system...all these fun lenses.

Unless you want a native tilt/shift lens or a fast prime between 135 and 400....

This Samy looks good though, competition and options are a good thing, I've already got the tammy and I like it a lot, so I don't have a need to change, but as long as the build quality of the samy is up to par it could be a good competitor.

Apr 06, 2023 at 12:48 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

I hope we get some high quality comparisons soon, where things like rendering or CA/fringing in reallife (I find it hard to believe SY is better corrected in that regard) is shown. One thing that would be easy to test, but of course is omitted in the videos above, is vignetting. Wide open Tamron has a lot of swirl in its bokeh, so I wonder if it's the same case for the new Samyang.

Apr 06, 2023 at 01:35 PM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

MSRP price already looking pretty good, add the occasional discount (like their 135/1.8) this is a true bargain! I can see myself owning one.

not digging the focus ring design though, and overall look copy of Tamron.

Apr 06, 2023 at 01:38 PM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

liggy wrote:
Lolol… truth! Same here. Given my excellent experience with the Sammy 135 I would have waited for this lens but just acquired the Tammy which is really an excellent lens.

It really gets the best of us. I actually miss when there weren't this many options.

Now, I got 4 GM primes; 14 GM, 24 GM, 50 f/1.2 GM and 135 GM, 3 zooms; 16-35 G, 50-400 and 200-600 G, and 7 MF lenses; Laowa 9 f/5.6, Laowa 25, Laowa 85, Loxia 21, CV 50 APO and Elmar 135. I probably prefer a 35 and 85 kit.

Who knew I ever "needed" all these? And this kit is like my tenth or so, after puzzling with several kits, including all the GMs, DNs, DIs, CVs, et cetera. Somehow, I justified spending this much, and I barely return any of the expenses (just do a few tasks for acquaintances, at times). But then again, it's passion to its purest, and they are both tools and paint brushes, and I would probably just "waste" the expenses on something else, which doesn't inspire me as much; perhaps an apartment, ha!

I don't even do astro, as the conditions are horrible here, and I rarely do portraits. Still, I appreciate the quality, and it's impressive what lenses can pack in such form factors these days. The 9, 14 and 50-400 probably impressed me the most, just for the sheer engineering. I just had to acquire them.

I do at times consider just settling down with 4 zooms at times; 12-24 GM, 24-70 GM II, 70-200 GM II and 200-600 G, and get rid of 10 lenses. Of course, we got 2 of those 35-150 easter eggs now. At least these are easy to avoid for me, as I prefer the speed, interval focus and ability to use teleconverters, of the 70-200, which also could replace the 50-400. Certain Olympus cameras, with their phenomenal stacking functions, make it tremendously easier when doing high magnification macro, caught my attention as well, especially with their recent 90 2x.
The thing is, that all of this will cost at least as much, and although it's as practical as it gets, it really isn't; as I still would only carry 1 lens less, and the switching will never end, as I go from ultra-wide to super-tele, from one moment to another, and factors as aperture, ergonomics (the MF lenses are fun at times), sunstars, durability over time, form factor, et cetera.
Then, there's the many cute Samyang f/1.8 and Sigma 'I' lenses. Too many options!

Excuse me for rambling.

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Apr 06, 2023 at 02:02 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

Frederik0711 wrote:
It really gets the best of us. I actually miss when there weren't this many options.

Now, I got 4 GM primes; 14 GM, 24 GM, 50 f/1.2 GM and 135 GM, 3 zooms; 16-35 G, 50-400 and 200-600 G, and 7 MF lenses; Laowa 9 f/5.6, Laowa 25, Laowa 85, Loxia 21, CV 50 APO and Elmar 135. I probably prefer a 35 and 85 kit.

Who knew I ever "needed" all these? And of this kit is like my tenth of so, after puzzling with several kits. Somehow, I justified spending this much, and I barely return any...Show more →

What are your thoughts on your 9mm? I have the CV 10/5.6 and love it for those times when really wide looks good. The 9mm would be crazy wide! How do you like it?

Apr 06, 2023 at 02:28 PM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

chez wrote:
I’ve bought many lenses over the years. Either the lens is a lemon ( decentered etc…) or it works forever. You can determine a lemon in the first few days and exchange the lens. I don’t feel having a 6 year warranty on a lens adds much value to the lens. Surely not $500 worth.

I have also bought many lenses over the years. And I'll still take the warranty over Samyang's shoddy quality control. I can understand buying Samyang when we're talking about a $200 or $300 prime, but this is a whole other thing. Samyang lenses are not known for working forever.

But I'm happy to respect your opinion. Mine is just different. We have different perspectives. Cheers.

Apr 06, 2023 at 02:32 PM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

I have long owned and loved the original Samyang 14mm 2.8, but have stayed away from their autofocus lenses. Is there a current consensus on the overall quality of Samyang's higher-end AF lenses? In the early days, it was generally accepted that the affordable price was a tradeoff for second-tier construction materials and methods, which usually lead to poor quality control.

However, Sigma and Tamron used to have the same reputation, and now most of their products are on par with—or built even better than—first party lenses. Have Samyang followed a similar trajectory with their newer lenses?

Apr 06, 2023 at 02:36 PM

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mudlake wrote:
What are your thoughts on your 9mm? I have the CV 10/5.6 and love it for those times when really wide looks good. The 9mm would be crazy wide! How do you like it?

I love it so much that I made an image thread for it, but I haven't posted that much in it. I will soon, though. Don't be shy of a wider lens; the results can be very rewarding.

If you want, you can check out my Instagram, which is linked on my Fredmiranda profile. In every post, I mention the equipment. Several of my favourites were taken with the 9mm. It is mostly crooked trees that I use it for, especially in dense forests. There are some more further down on my profile.

Now, I'm no master, but I would say that I make good use of its strengths. Of course it's as interesting for architecture, but I just haven't used it much for that for now. I find it very sharp, but of course the very corners are never in proper focus.

You have probably read this review, but I find it enriching. Never tried the CV, but the Laowa seems to be at least as good, and why not go even wider? It produces 10-point sunstars as well.
The one factor that I want to mention, is that I never can get the colours to look pleasing, whenever I use Laowa lenses. It's less of an issue with their macro lenses, but their wide angles have a very odd rendering, and there is a heavy colour cast in the corners. Still, one can edit to taste, and I mostly convert them to black and white anyway.

Apr 06, 2023 at 02:46 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

AF is the biggest differentiator for me, and I would like to see a little bit more of a torture test for that aspect.
Bokeh quality is another important aspect, and the Samyang seems a little bit better, however, some more comparisons are welcome.

Beside comparisons the whole concept of both lenses still has some downsides imo.
- No ILIS. Beyond 85mm ILIS becomes important imo.
- The flexibility of the zoom range makes it a lens being 90% of the time on your camera, at least for me. The weight OTOH kind of defeats that benefit, as you would still want to change lenses to get rid of the weight. When going beyond around 800g I don't want to have a lens on my camera all the time.
- For background separation there is a kind of dip at 85mm. At 35mm f/2.0 or f/1.4 is just one stop difference. At 150mm the focal length will create the separation for you, and around 135mm it's still pretty good. However, at 85mm the difference between my 650g f/1.4 prime is two stops, while that is a pretty common focal length for me whereas I don't need the range beyond 100mm that much. That's where these lenses lacks flexibility: the ability to blur out the background around 85mm.

Apr 06, 2023 at 03:45 PM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

I'm not in the market for this kind of lens, and if I were, I'd be a bit worried about the QC. Dunno if Samyang is still as chancy as it was when RCicala made his post, but this lack of knowledge is the fault of the entire industry, really.

What I will say, however, is kudos to Samyang for making the most optically impressive lens of all time... again. Think Tom Calton had a bad sample of the Tamron, honestly, but even aside from that I saw one reason to prefer the Samyang in use: color balance makes skin look a little less green. This is of course somewhat adjustable in post, but saving time in editing is always a plus.

Samyang's lens design language is hugely inferior to Tamron's though. Not the most important thing at the end of the day, but... yeah

Apr 07, 2023 at 03:11 AM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

JVan_02 wrote:
I'm not in the market for this kind of lens, and if I were, I'd be a bit worried about the QC. Dunno if Samyang is still as chancy as it was when RCicala made his post, but this lack of knowledge is the fault of the entire industry, really.

What I will say, however, is kudos to Samyang for making the most optically impressive lens of all time... again. Think Tom Calton had a bad sample of the Tamron, honestly, but even aside from that I saw one reason to prefer the Samyang in use: color balance makes skin...Show more →

Since seeing Calton's review I checked back through my images with the Tamron at 150 f2.8 and went out to do some extra testing and my lens certainly has nothing like what he was showing and if anything I would say it was impressively good for a zoom lens at those settings. I also don't see any of the green issues you mention when it comes to skin tones as in Lr on a calibrated screen (Sony A1 body) I'm seeing very natural tones. I do think it is shame he has releases a review with such dubious results. The Tamron and this new Samyang won't be a lens that all people will jump on but as a working Event lens there really is nothing that does what these 2 can do

Apr 07, 2023 at 03:30 AM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

Viramati wrote:
Since seeing Calton's review I checked back through my images with the Tamron at 150 f2.8 and went out to do some extra testing and my lens certainly has nothing like what he was showing and if anything I would say it was impressively good for a zoom lens at those settings. I also don't see any of the green issues you mention when it comes to skin tones as in Lr on a calibrated screen (Sony A1 body) I'm seeing very natural tones. I do think it is shame he has releases a review with such dubious results. The...Show more →

I'd assume in normal photography the AWB would compensate. IIRC, you can only get those kinds of differences if you have a set white balance.

Apr 07, 2023 at 04:57 AM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

This whole review feels like a Samyang ad. Samyang only sent this new lens to Tom and nobody else, even though there are much better lens reviewers, like Gerald Undone. This review would be a lot more credible if he didn’t try to crap on Tamron to make the case for Samyang. His images are also published on Samyang’s site so that tells you something. I own the Tamron and never seen any of the issues he mentioned in his review, especially the soft IQ issue.

My only experience with Samyang is with their cheap sub $300 compact primes and I think Samyang provides great value and excellent optics for the price, but the build quality alone puts Samyang at a level or two below Sigma and Tamron. You also have to get a separate dock to update the firmware on Samyang lenses, which by the way Samyang also tends to release more frequently than all other vendors. Maybe it is their way to sell more lens stations; I doubt that a company like Samyang has budget and resources to release half a dozen firmware updates for their incredibly cheap prime lenses.

Like I said earlier, this lens will kill Tamron on price alone, if it is not a total dud, but Tamron is a GM level lens and, given its performance, it is still a bargain for what you get for your money.

Apr 07, 2023 at 06:13 AM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8

Samyang lost me with the weight on this one. If it had been lighter than the Tamron I would consider it but it's not. They were able to make really nice primes that are excellent optically and smaller than their rivals (50 1.4 II, 135 1.8) but haven't been able to do the same with their 2 zooms. Shame.

Apr 07, 2023 at 10:48 AM

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