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I received my X-H2S and 150-600 this afternoon. I had about 15 minutes to set it up, and only about 30 minutes to shoot some songbirds, so don't consider this a review... just some thoughts I've had so far. Also, I'm not going to post sample images, because the light was awful, harsh sun.

As background, I'm coming from a Z9 with a 500PF (sometimes with 1.4x) and a Z 100-400 (sometimes with 1.4x). I also shoot a lot of Fuji gear, but my last wildlife experience with Fuji was with an X-T4 with a 100-400.

For the camera....

* The X-H2S is solid. I also shoot a Z9, and the X-H2S feels more solid in the hand than the Z9. The grip in particular feels like a solid piece of metal. We all know Fuji has nice physical design, but this camera is significantly better than my X-T4.

* I knew the dials don't click, but I just want to say "boo". Such a waste.

* The new joystick feels like a Sony, or maybe a Nikon. Not the tiny lever we're used to on Fuji. I think I like the old implementation better because it requires less force to move, so my thumb doesn't slip as much.

* The rear dial is too far to the right. You lose your purchase on the rear of the camera if you really want to crank the dial quickly.

* If you shoot birds in M mode like me, you'll be happy to know you can set an Fn button to toggle the dials between functioning normally (ie: aperture and shutter speed) and affecting EC. So you can use EC with auto ISO to force wide open shooting while still controlling your shutter speed. I prefer the X-T4's layout, but this also works well... almost as nicely as the Z9's dedicated EC button.

* If you're familiar with the X-T4 and X-S10, it shoots like an X-S10 with an X-T4 viewfinder. Personally, I don't like how Custom Settings are handled on PASM Fujis, but that's personal taste.

* The viewfinder was nice. It reacted smoothly at 60fps, 120fps, and 240fps. I could barely tell the difference. Between the viewfinder and shooting a zoom, I had an easy time finding and tracking BIF.

* Autofocus feels like my X-T4 when not using subject detection.

* Subject detection works well most of the time, but it sometimes finds eyes that don't exist, like other Fujis. This was more of a problem for me shooting birds than it is with my other Fujis, because once it decided a tree was a bird, it was very difficult to convince it otherwise without shrinking the AF box.

* It picks up bird eyes from a LONG way away. I mean long. 100ft+? I had birds that were as small as the single AF point in the viewfinder, and it found the bird (big box), and then quickly found the eye (small box). It did this regularly. Very impressive.

* I was able to track a swallow that was hunting bugs. He was fast and chaotic in his movements, but the camera kept him in focus.

* The camera frequently backfocused on a friendly Robin that was posing for me. I would get the grass behind him, and I'd have to pump AF-ON in hopes that the camera would re-detect his face. Sometimes the camera would tell me it was focusing on his eye, but it would back or front focus. Sometimes it would wobble when the bird and camera were stationary and I was popping off frames. I feel I would have been better off shooting single-AF at times.

* If you use electronic shutter and CH drive, you can use "pre-shot" (ala Olympus or Nikon). I did this in lossless compressed RAW at 15fps with a SanDisk Extreme SD, and I immediately found that the camera froze up after a 5 frame (plus pre-frame) burst. I thought the camera had crashed, but after 2-3 seconds it came back to life. I suspect this is a bug? I didn't test with JPEG, which I presume would be easier for the camera, and I didn't let it have my Z9's CFE card, which I'm sure would have also helped. More testing is required.

For the lens....

* It's lighter than you'd think, and its balance doesn't shift as you zoom.

* It's quite a bit longer than my 500 PF, which makes it a pain to pack.

* Using the lens' strap lugs with my PD strap, the camera didn't hang well at the hip. I had to cinch the strap to keep it from bouncing off my leg. (I might just mount the lugs to an AS plate on the foot, instead, like I do with all my long lenses.)

* The focus and zoom rings have the same texture, so they're hard to tell apart. I biffed a few shots grabbing the wrong ring.

* Image quality seems fine. I got sharp images at 70ft and some decent closeups. I'd compare it to my Z 100-400+1.4x. It might be a bit better (I need more time with it). Again, light was AWFUL today, so I can't be too specific.

* It's silent in use.

* Autofocus was uneventful. It just works, like you'd expect from a high-end lens.

* I tried to abuse it and get some CA, but even a torture test couldn't coax any real color fringing out of it.

Overall:

I need to go out and shoot it again. I do NOT like how PASM Fujis handle Custom Settings, because I enjoy shooting "recipes", and PASM cameras basically kill that idea. I also don't feel so far that it's better than the X-T4 for general-purpose use.

I hate to say it, because it seems like forums in general are filled with people waiting to dance on any grave they can find, but I was disappointed in its first wildlife outing, if I'm honest. It's unfair to compare to a Z9 that costs 2x more, but with my Z9, I'm confident that anything I can see, I can capture, and I'm so confident in its AF capabilities, that I can cull images from thumbnails without worry of missed AF. The X-H2S didn't do that for me today. A typical sequence of 10 images would give me 1-2 great shots, and a number of blurry shots.

Again, I need to shoot it more. I'm sure I have a large learning curve to climb. But I know Fuji well, and I'm a pretty quick learner on this stuff, and I felt like the failures I saw so far weren't me messing up.

We'll see in the next week or so.



Jul 13, 2022 at 08:51 PM
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p.3 #2 · Fuji X-H2S autofocus is pretty good.


One of the first people with the camera in his hands and it’s locking up on day one. Yep, that’s a Fuji alright!

Curious to see some samples. I’m dubious that optically that lens will hold a candle to the Z 100-400 which has some of the nicest falloff of any midrange tele.



Jul 13, 2022 at 09:03 PM
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To be fair, I don't think it really locked up. It just froze while it flushed a pre-shot batch. Or at least, that's what it seemed like, cause it did it three times and then stopped doing it as soon as I turned pre-shot off.

It was certainly not behavior I expected, having used pre-shot style features on my Nikon, Olympus, and Panasonic cameras in the past. It didn't seem like the buffer would be full, as I only had to flush about 15 frames, and I didn't get a little "busy" screen or anything.

I didn't have time to do anything more than a quick comparison, but from first blush I'd bet 100-400 > 150-600 > 100-400+1.4x. Despite the poor light, I got a few shots with some pretty good acuity at 600mm around 50-70ft.

I'll share samples if I can get out in better light. I don't want to post poor-quality photos just to get samples out there. Better to rely on the pre-release Youtubers for now.



Jul 13, 2022 at 10:17 PM
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CKrueger wrote:
To be fair, I don't think it really locked up. It just froze while it flushed a pre-shot batch. Or at least, that's what it seemed like, cause it did it three times and then stopped doing it as soon as I turned pre-shot off.

It was certainly not behavior I expected, having used pre-shot style features on my Nikon, Olympus, and Panasonic cameras in the past. It didn't seem like the buffer would be full, as I only had to flush about 15 frames, and I didn't get a little "busy" screen or anything.

I didn't have time to do anything
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You just need a fast card - if it was really a Sandisk Extreme card they are pretty slow at writing - you shouldn't get that problem with one of the recommended cards



Jul 14, 2022 at 12:17 AM
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That’s surprising; it’s pretty fast for SD. But I take your point.

For reference, this is the card in question:

https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/reviews/sd-cards/sandisk-extreme-pro-170mbs-uhs-i-u3-v30-64gb-sdxc-memory-card/



Jul 14, 2022 at 06:26 AM
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CKrueger wrote:
That’s surprising; it’s pretty fast for SD. But I take your point.

For reference, this is the card in question:

https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/reviews/sd-cards/sandisk-extreme-pro-170mbs-uhs-i-u3-v30-64gb-sdxc-memory-card/


Ah OK - the Extreme Pro is faster than the Extreme - but its still a UHS-I card



Jul 14, 2022 at 06:55 AM
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Ah OK - the Extreme Pro is faster than the Extreme - but its still a UHS-I card


That V30 170mb card is really slow. It wasn’t even good enough for burst shooting on my X-T30. It would slow to a halt after a couple of seconds. It is not on the Fuji approved list for the X-H2S. The max read time of the card might be 170mb but the write time is pathetic.

If I ever get an X-H2S it’ll either be CF or V90 cards only.

https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/support/compatibility/cameras/list-of-supported-memory-cards/

https://alikgriffin.com/best-memory-cards-fujifilm-x-h2s/




Jul 14, 2022 at 10:46 AM
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CKrueger wrote:
... I hate to say it, because it seems like forums in general are filled with people waiting to dance on any grave they can find, but I was disappointed in its first wildlife outing, if I'm honest. It's unfair to compare to a Z9 that costs 2x more, but with my Z9, I'm confident that anything I can see, I can capture, and I'm so confident in its AF capabilities, that I can cull images from thumbnails without worry of missed AF. The X-H2S didn't do that for me today. A typical sequence of 10 images would give me
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Thanks for your really complete overview of your experience, balancing pluses and minuses. (All gear has both.)

I have two impressions based on what you and others report. One is specific to this camera and one is more general.

Specific to the XH2s (and likely the XH2 as well), it seems like a good solid camera that advances Fujifilm's mirrorless line and keeps it in the game with the other companies offering cameras with similar/overlapping focus. There's a lot of new and updated technology in the line, and we'll soon see the effects of this on other cameras from Fujifilm, too.

More generally (based on what I quoted above and a few other points in your post), there's often a dichotomy between the most effusive praise for new gear (and here I'm not just referring to this camera or just to Fujifilm) and the real-world experience of using it. Out on the fringes there are two sorts of reactions that we see all the time that need to be considered with some caution. One is the almost-religious fervor about some new piece of gear — it will "blow the competition out of the water," be better than gear costing twice as much, "transform your photography," bring a "revolution" in photography, and all the rest. The other is its compensatory twin, a virtual damning of the new thing as being overpriced, badly designed, incompetent, a rip-off, "crippled" in some way, and all of the other familiar stuff.

After observing and participating in a bunch of these product intros over the decades, it starts to sink in that improvements are real but that they come in smaller doses than we hope for and they change photography less than we imagine.

That's not as exciting as either of those other two ways of thinking ("The Most Amazing Thing Ever!!!" person "Embarrassing Piece of Trash"), but it seems true.

Again, advances in camera technology and design are good and useful. Fujifilm is a fine company, and I like their equipment. The XH2s/XH2 look like well-designed cameras with new and better and useful features.

But... ;-)



Jul 14, 2022 at 11:34 AM
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I can certainly make it work. It’s not a “bad camera”, and even if it were a poor performer in relation to the top-of-the-line, that doesn’t necessarily bother me. I’ve gotten better results from my 350D, and I’ve gotten worse results from my Z9.

The idea that you need the best camera to take the best photos is tortured logic. The most important part of a photographer’s kit is three inches behind the viewfinder, not in front of it. All I’m looking for is a kit that is enjoyable to use and gives me a good chance to get the photo in my mind’s eye. Fuji does that best for me for almost every type of photography, and I’m hoping the X-H2S can do it for action and wildlife, too, and I can sell a LOT of gear.



Jul 15, 2022 at 12:19 AM
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I have had mine since July 7th, but I did not buy the 150 - 600 as I generally don’t shoot many subjects like that.

However, I agree there is quite a bit in common with the X-T4 and the X-T4 is still a great camera for sure.

I think the obvious and most welcome change for me, is the AF Speed and tracking capabilities. I’ve never been willing to spend more than $2500 on a body, because this is just a hobby for me. So, having this type of AF performance is a bargain at this price. In spite of the completely awkward control changes (awkward from what Fuji normally gave us), the AF Speed is absolutely worth the price of admission.




Jul 17, 2022 at 07:56 AM
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I shot it a bit with my 35/1.4 and 56/1.2 against my X-T4, and I’m not sure what to conclude, yet. It’s tough testing an AF system with candids… you can’t exactly A/B test reliably.

My impressions are that the X-HS2 definitely hits AF more often than my X-T4, but not to a huge degree. It felt more like like 95% versus 85%?

One area the X-H2S is considerably better is in the AF boxes and their much more accurate representation of what the camera is actually doing. I think us Fuji shooters are familiar with how the AF boxes on Fuji bodies tend to lag behind what’s actually happening, to the point where you might think you missed some shots based on what the display is saying, but you actually nailed it when you go back later to look at the photos? I’ve learned to ignore this effect, but the X-H2S doesn’t seem to do this nearly as badly as my X-T4. I appreciate this improvement!



Jul 17, 2022 at 09:17 AM
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CKrueger wrote:
The idea that you need the best camera to take the best photos is tortured logic. The most important part of a photographer’s kit is three inches behind the viewfinder, not in front of it.


Amen



Jul 17, 2022 at 09:40 AM
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CKrueger wrote:
The idea that you need the best camera to take the best photos is tortured logic. The most important part of a photographer’s kit is three inches behind the viewfinder, not in front of it.


Yet shoot with Z9 and now got the X2H. Nothing wrong with it IMHO just saying. Photog matters but gear can also help, sometimes quite a bit. In old days, it probably took years of practice but now with latest tech, one can get a jump start. Good or bad, I don't know. I will still prefer old ways of learning slowly with different tools but if one can afford new gear and if it helps you, so be it.

BTW - Anyone have samples of people shots to share from this camera, at f1.4 etc? Thanks. Just want to see how well eye AF works. I watched a youtube video where it still show quite a few misses.



Jul 17, 2022 at 09:58 AM
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Hopefully at some point, someone will be brave enough to post some samples from what is supposedly Fuji’s best camera yet


Jul 17, 2022 at 10:25 AM
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bobby350z wrote:
Yet shoot with Z9 and now got the X2H. Nothing wrong with it IMHO just saying. Photog matters but gear can also help, sometimes quite a bit. In old days, it probably took years of practice but now with latest tech, one can get a jump start. Good or bad, I don't know. I will still prefer old ways of learning slowly with different tools but if one can afford new gear and if it helps you, so be it..


There is no argument against the proposition that "gear can also help." It can.

I think it is a matter of balance.

The difficult thing about "new gear can help" is that while it is generically true and simple, the context is more nuanced. And using it alone as a decision principle can lead to some results that aren't entirely sensible.

Indeed, modern photography equipment is much more advanced, more powerful, more flexible — generally more capable in almost all ways — than the photography technology of the past. We have tools and techniques available to us today that were unavailable to those who produces some of the greatest classic photographic work decades and more in the past. (This isn't just a theoretical thing for those of us who made photography in the pre-digital era.)

And the technology does keep improving. The new model of a camera, the updated version of a lens, the faster memory card, the latest upgrade to our software all bring advances and improvements.

The disconnect comes, too often, when we get caught up in the very newest thing and lose our ability to rationally assess the real value of the improvements. To be clear, it isn't a question of whether the new thing is better in most cases — it is a question of the magnitude and effect of the difference.

A simple thought experiment can at least make the question a bit clearer. Digital cameras have now been fairly popular and widely used for over two decades. Along the way there has been a steady introduction of new and improved features and capabilities. With almost every one of them there have been those claiming that the improvements would be profound, change photography as we know it, solve the existing issues with the medium.

If all or even most of those claims had been true — and each of these changes was profoundly significant — by now the level of improvement in photography technology would be completely off the charts. We wouldn't still be talking about dynamic range, burst rates, AF performance, noise, reliability, resolution, and all the rest.

But if you look back at the vast majority of improvements/changes of the magnitude that we are usually talking about, in retrospect they look interesting but far from earth-shaking.

So, yes, "new gear can help." But the "help" is typically of a much smaller magnitude than we imagine as we get swept up in the euphoria about new stuff. And for those who are overly susceptible, the duration of that help seems to be pretty brief...and as soon as the Next New Thing arrives, well, you know...

To answer the inevitable response: No, this does not mean that we should never get new or better equipment. Good and improved equipment is a fine thing, and when it is time to get a new camera or lens it makes sense to get whatever is new and improved at that point.

Dan



Jul 17, 2022 at 11:23 AM
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Most people would be far better served spending $300 on post processing software and taking the time to learn how to use it effectively vs buying new gear.

The amount of great tools out there that can be had for fair prices is better than ever.

I cringe every time I see someone post a photo with $10,000 worth of gear and they have dust spots marring their photos, for instance.



Jul 17, 2022 at 11:39 AM
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liggy wrote:
That V30 170mb card is really slow. It wasn’t even good enough for burst shooting on my X-T30. It would slow to a halt after a couple of seconds. It is not on the Fuji approved list for the X-H2S. The max read time of the card might be 170mb but the write time is pathetic.

If I ever get an X-H2S it’ll either be CF or V90 cards only.

https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/support/compatibility/cameras/list-of-supported-memory-cards/

https://alikgriffin.com/best-memory-cards-fujifilm-x-h2s/



Which card did you find to be faster for burst shooting on the X-T30?



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AZ Photo wrote:
Which card did you find to be faster for burst shooting on the X-T30?


I've been shooting with 4 cards lately. Sony Tough G and M cards. V90 and V60. Pricey but so far the best.

Sandisk Extreme 300mb. Speedy but feel flimsy vs. the Tough cards.

ProGrade V90 cards - least expensive of the V90s

All much better than the 170mb Sandisk. That I only shoot in my X100S these days. Even the 95mb Sandisk cards were faster than the 170 for some reason.

You've got the flagship - give it Premium fuel as it can use the octane.



Jul 17, 2022 at 02:29 PM
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liggy wrote:
I've been shooting with 4 cards lately. Sony Tough G and M cards. V90 and V60. Pricey but so far the best.

Sandisk Extreme 300mb. Speedy but feel flimsy vs. the Tough cards.

ProGrade V90 cards - least expensive of the V90s

All much better than the 170mb Sandisk. That I only shoot in my X100S these days. Even the 95mb Sandisk cards were faster than the 170 for some reason.

You've got the flagship - give it Premium fuel as it can use the octane.


I’m not sure any of those UHS-II cards would make a dramatic difference on the X-T30 - not sure it can use the octane



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AZ Photo wrote:
I’m not sure any of those UHS-II cards would make a dramatic difference on the X-T30 - not sure it can use the octane


Sorry - I think you're right. I was thinking of the X-H2, not the X-T30. That wasn't ever really a flagship.
For some reason the 95mb card never choked on my X-T30 but the 170 did. Unsure why that is.

A couple years back I sold the X-T30 and picked up a Sony A9II for the autofocus and tracking. Haven't replaced the X-T30 yet as I still have the X-T2 and X-H1.



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