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"Real artist" is not a term I would want to use, but I can think of some characteristics that might apply. Pick and choose as you want.

Dedicated to their art, if not full time, at least to the limits of their abilities.
Pursuing their vision, dreams, intent, originality, and creativity.
Expressing aesthetic, emotional, and/or intellectual content in a unique and personal fashion.
Having a compulsion to create their art.

Notice, I did not mention being commissioned or paid or being a "professional artist".

I would also say the medium - painting, photographing, writing, composing/creating music, and others - is also not important.



Jul 14, 2022 at 01:41 PM
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Camperjim wrote:
"Real artist" is not a term I would want to use, but I can think of some characteristics that might apply. Pick and choose as you want.

Dedicated to their art, if not full time, at least to the limits of their abilities.
Pursuing their vision, dreams, intent, originality, and creativity.
Expressing aesthetic, emotional, and/or intellectual content in a unique and personal fashion.
Having a compulsion to create their art.

Notice, I did not mention being commissioned or paid or being a "professional artist".

I would also say the medium - painting, photographing, writing, composing/creating music, and others - is also not important.


Now doesn't that basically cover the majority of people posting their images here on these boards?



Jul 14, 2022 at 02:02 PM
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I never did say real artists don't take commissions. Many do it to supplement their personal work. Real artist might have not have been the best choice of words but you get the drift.


Jul 14, 2022 at 02:08 PM
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chez wrote:
Now doesn't that basically cover the majority of people posting their images here on these boards?


Full time? I would say the vast majority are very casual with limited commitment.
Pursuing artistic vision? Maybe as long as little work and effort is needed.
Expressing aesthetic, emotional, or intellectual aspects? Maybe if that involves using the saturation slider for some shock and awe impact.
Having a compulsion to create? Again, not likely especially if that "compulsion" might interfere with personal, family life, careers, vacations or other hobbies.

You are certainly free to come up with your own definitions



Jul 14, 2022 at 02:11 PM
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Camperjim wrote:
Full time? I would say the vast majority are very casual with limited commitment.
Pursuing artistic vision? Maybe as long as little work and effort is needed.
Expressing aesthetic, emotional, or intellectual aspects? Maybe if that involves using the saturation slider for some shock and awe impact.
Having a compulsion to create? Again, not likely especially if that "compulsion" might interfere with personal, family life, careers, vacations or other hobbies.

You are certainly free to come up with your own definitions


1. So you have to be full time to be considered an artist? I have a friend that composes her own songs and sings at gigs during a few nights and weekends...but is a full time marketing executive. She has performed in front of over 10,000 people at the Atlanta Olympics...yet she is not an artist?

2. So you somehow judge other fellow photographers here on FM...basically calling them lazy. You know diddly squat about them, yet you have the balls to judge them. How the hell do you know how much effort they are putting into their work? How the hell do you know how dedicated they are to photography. Seems like a pretty bold statement on your part.

3. Here is some "shock and awe impact" from some very well known artists ( I hope they meet your little closed box of what an true artists is ).

https://www.google.com/search?q=group+of+seven+art&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY9fzGkPn4AhXjJn0KHa9DA2IQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=2048&bih=1066&dpr=1.25#imgrc=OCRpkMjyvNkknM&imgdii=Sr9rO10DamAX5M

4. Again you label someone not an artist by the amount of time they can dedicate to their art. How short sighted your views truly are. I look after my wife that has Parkinson's and cannot get out and create my art as much as I'd really like...but when I do get out, I'm 100% focused on my vision, my art. I consider myself a photographer and an artist...and you definitely do not have to devote 100% of your time to your craft...that's just a crock of shit.



Jul 14, 2022 at 02:48 PM
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Chez, I think you would argue with your own mother. I'm done with this. Maybe you can find someone else who cares.


Jul 14, 2022 at 02:51 PM
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Camperjim wrote:
Chez, I think you would argue with your own mother. I'm done with this. Maybe you can find someone else who cares.


Jim, I'm just calling you out for your narrow views of both art and our fellow FM members.



Jul 14, 2022 at 02:54 PM
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chez wrote:
Jim, I'm just calling you out for your narrow views of both art and our fellow FM members.


There's a difference between having truly narrow views, and trying to be succinct in communication.

One of the reasons I often write with so much length, is because it seems than no matter what you write, there is always 4300 ways for someone to take it out of context or try to make more of it than it actually is ... often without given credence to the depth or originations that lay beneath the brevity.

Cyber-communications are always a tough gig ... trying to explain cyber-communications is an even tougher gig, sometimes.

I'd think that for seasoned FM'ers ... it would be readily well known the breadth of others perspectives, even when they may have narrow preferences. I think that most anyone who has been around the block in our beloved craft, knows that the breadth and depth can be immense. Trying to discuss anything that fully encompasses this ultimately will come up short, in some way, by somebody, sometime, somewhere. Which means (imo), sometimes we need to take a step back, and give a wider berth than honing in everything that comes up short.

That said, I'm guilty of being on both sides of that, at various times, over the years. Sometimes it is the vocabulary that is more narrow than the actual view.

Again, cyber-comms can be a tough gig, sometimes.




Jul 17, 2022 at 11:57 AM
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This is really helpful, thank you!


Jul 28, 2022 at 06:36 PM
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What is art or fine art...I won't speak to that. It's all subjective nonsense.

I will say on the terms of pricing your work, there are two general ways to see it - they were mentioned previously. High margin, low amount of sale or low margin, high amount of sales. If you're looking at pricing, you have to determine which of those you want. Generally the first is considered more along the lines of "fine art" and I'd argue it demands high-quality materials, archival level paper, inks, mats, etc. The second does not necessarily require that, though it can certainly be done if that's your thing.

Consider branding - what do you think if you buy a print for $30. Now what do you think when you buy the same print for $149. What if it were $999? You likely have a different perspective on the piece and the artist. Where do you want to be in terms of this perspective art buyers may have? What happens if you charge $999 and the print fades in two years?

Will you be producing open editions, editioned (if you want to get into museums and some galleries, this is the way to go) or both?

Answering these questions before event attempting to set a price, will help you down the line. Once you have these answers, you may be able to better set costs. I've been told to include the cost of the hikes I do, camera equipment, etc. when I come up with my price - I've not bothered to do so at this point. But I do factor in print cost, matting/mounting, (if necessary) framing, (if necessary) my labor in post processing, etc. I offer a couple of my pieces as editions, but primarily offer open editions. Once I have my costs, I determine a profit margin I want to get at a bare minimum, accounting for another 10% or so wiggle room to negotiate if absolutely necessary. And this is my wholesale price - the price I'd charge an art consultant, store or gallery for my work, assuming they'll turn around and sell it for twice that. (fairly standard) In a gallery, if the gallery isn't buying the piece before-hand, I'll offer my work at double my wholesale price to account for the gallery commission. Never, ever offer your work for sale for cheaper than a gallery you have your work in. It's the best way to bite the hand that feeds you and the gallery community is a small, tight group.

If you'll only be selling online, you can concentrate more on the wholesale price above, or make it a bit higher. Factor in other photographers who fit the criteria in the answers to your questions above, and photographers that are at your talent and success level in your area to try to come to a price that's competitive with them. If you're too far under their price, you'll be seen as less of an artist - which may or may not matter to you. If you're too far over their price, you'll likely be keeping your sales lower. As time goes on, increase the price for your more popular items and adjust the prices to meet the old supply / demand curve.



Jul 29, 2022 at 12:25 PM
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As an amateur photographer for many years, I have mainly shot construction progress pictures. In doing so, I looked for unexpected opportunities to increase my sales. While my work is more than satisfactory, I have never priced the extras for any astronomical fee. Again, I was paid by contractors to perform a service, which I did. Along the way, I happened to catch the right moments for extras, more than once. The attached pictures show how easy it is to fatten your wallet, if you know what to look for. As previously stated, you can put an hourly rate on everything from travel to the finished product, and charge accordingly. Thanks for looking
Jim




Night Shift






Stroke at Midnight






The Gaylord Hotel & Convention Center






The Hanover Theater




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