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 p.2 #1 · Will Canon come out with a R1? | |
mcoons wrote:
My biggest concern is price. If a R3 is $6K, how much more will an R1 be? And will photographers go for a $7000+ camera these days when the R5 is so damn good at half the price?
That's exactly what I was thinking (in one context) in my earlier post. It is also part of why I doubt that it is the supposed high MP camera. The precedent is there with the 16MP (IIRC) 1Ds that was available when the 12MP 5D came out... and it seems that there were no longer enough sales of the 1Ds line to justify continuing it.
It is also important to keep in mind that there are several other alternatives for those who need (or think the need) the highest MP FF sensor body — models from Sony and Nikon and even the miniMF system from Fujifilm, which looks almost directly price competitive if the pricing on a FF body is too high. (With the latter, there are other issues, particularly related to lens availability and to camera speed.)
My guess would be that a R1 camera keeps the focus where the 1-series cameras have always been, on aspects of performance other than having the highest MP sensor. Though by the time it arrives, it should be possible to produce a very high performance camera with a 40-50MP sensor.
(BTW, I share the doubts about the 100MP sensor rumors and would not be surprised to see a high MP camera, whatever it is called, with something more like a 80MP sensor or thereabouts, a R5s, if you will.)
CelesteForza wrote:
Possible they drop price on the R3 by the time the R1 is introduced.
I wonder though. Has Canon ever reduced the list price of a high end camera after it was introduced, at least before it dying breath before being superseded by a new model years later?
I could see special sales offers maybe, but that would not likely happen until much later, as doing it while a R1 was new on the market would tend to suppress its sales.
johnvanr wrote:
I think the market has changed.
Fair point. It has changed, and back in that earlier era there was only one prior Canon model level, the 1Ds, before the 5D was introduced. Today there are quite a few FF bodies. In addition, even a "low resolution" R5 has a lot of resolution potential, being only insignificantly lower resolution that the 5DsR.
But to my way of thinking, that would make a high resolution (e.g. — the rumored 100MP) sensor even less likely in a R1 camera. A lot of folks would look at the capabilities of the R5, with quite high resolution and very good performance/speed, and find an extremely expensive 100MP R1 that probable wouldn't be any faster to be even less compelling.
So, I still feel like an R1 would more likely be the next step in the evolution of the 1-series as it moves to mirrorless. Though there's also not a ton of space above the R3 for such a camera these days either!
I guess we'll see!
EB-1 wrote:
There are numerous limitations in the R5 - some critical, some major, and some minor.
The R3 has reduced or eliminated some of them, but it's really not clear how much will be done with a Mk II vs. a 1 series. The larger 1 series body style will always have advantages in power for processors and motors, better heat dissipation and ergonomics. Obviously some people won't want to pay or have physical/weight limitations, but that is nothing new. Back in the day many people opted for the 5D or 5D II over the 1Ds II or 1Ds III.
Your point make sense, though I think it also make a lot less difference and to a smaller cohort of photographers than it did back before digital cameras had gotten to the fairly high level of development they have achieved today.
Back then it often felt more like we were looking at distinctions between "the best we can produce" and "only good enough and with significant flaws." Today it is more likely to be, in terms of real world photographic functionality, a difference between "the best we can produce" and "almost indistinguishable from the best we can produce, but in a smaller body and at a lower price."
Dan
Imagemaster wrote:
I could care less...
Yet here you are...
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The R5 produces really nice 22.5MP files at medium resolution, but only in jpeg. (On the other hand, medium resolution files from a lower res sensor like that in the R6 or R3--10MP or 12MP files--aren't really of much use.)