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So, in the realm of my exploration into Mac ... I came a cross a question that I posed to the store where I got the rental (one data point). I'd like to pose the same question here to get additional perspective. It seems that perspective my be part of things along the way to a better understanding / experience.

Previously I've asked the question of what makes a Mac better than a PC, and got all kinds of answers about hardware / software compatibility, security, integration among devices, system stability, etc. But, given that I've not had issues with those things in PC (using ThinkPads), the answers have always fallen a bit flat for me. So, it still lingers in me to understand the differentiation that yields so much enthusiasm for the Mac. So, I've revised the question (gotta ask the right question, to get the right answer) a bit ... owing to that maybe I've been asking the wrong question.

The question:

"Since way back when ... I've always heard that Mac's are the better choice for creatives (or that Macs were made for creatives). What is it about a Mac, that makes it such that creatives and Mac's are "two peas in a pod", or "made for each other" ... that they go together better than creatives on a PC?"

Looking forward to hearing the different thoughts.



Jun 13, 2022 at 07:14 AM
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That statement was true in the 1990s and maybe up to the early-mid 2000s but I don't think it holds true today (which is probably what you wanted to hear).

In the early days of Windows, the Mac was far ahead on most things "creative," including audio, graphic design, video, etc. People migrated to it because that's where the best tools were available, and they worked best. Today, there's really not much difference. I work with graphic designers every day; some of them use Macs, some use PCs. I work with scientists and engineers, some of them use Macs, some PCs, some Linux. Most classical music audio engineers use Windows because that's where the serious classical editing DAWs are (Pyramix, Sequoia, SaDIE). Pop audio engineers use both Windows and Mac depending on their personal preferences, but most of the popular DAWs (with some exceptions such as Logic) are available on both platforms. Video editors use Mac and Windows, depending on their software of choice; colorists will use Mac, Windows, or Linux (a lot of the big Hollywood studios still run DaVinci Resolve on Linux machines, cut off from the internet).

If there are more "creatives" using Mac today it's probably a legacy of the 1990s and early to mid 2000s, where the Mac was clearly the better platform and they stuck with it. There also was a sort of counterculture "alternative" appeal of the Mac in the beginning; I don't think that really applies now although some people appreciate the Mac for its styling. Most people I know who use Macs in their work are more interested in function than style; the fact that it looks nice is secondary, just icing on the cake.



Jun 13, 2022 at 08:16 AM
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Your question caused me to Google: “mac vs pc for creatives.” Perhaps you should do the same.

But I think you’ll find the simple answer to your question is history and tradition. Since the first Macs used the Motorola microprocessor, and its OS featured a graphical user interface, it was inevitable graphic designers would pickup on it. And they did.

And from the theme of your recent questions regarding Macs vs. PCs, one can assume you’re wanting to change, but can’t quite breakaway from what you’re familiar with. In addition, it would appear you want some profound reason why changing will make you a better photographer—don’t think you’re going to find that. I switched to a Mac 11 years ago and have never regretted it. After a brief transition period, I found the ease-of-use to be noticeably better on the Mac. YMMV.


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Jun 13, 2022 at 08:26 AM
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I am not going to talk about the technical pros and cons of PC/Mac, just want to reflect some empirical knowledge. My first home computer was an Apple IIe in 1983. Later I switched to Mac. At work, in technical fields, (maintenance and engineering) the organizations I worked for used PCs. I would draft my reports and white papers at work, then take them home to finish them on my Mac, especially when they required graphics. The engineering organizations had documentation sections to do formal reports. They used Macs, while everyone else used PCs. I remember my boss was working on a flow chart on his desk. He was using cut out symbols and manually putting together the flow chart for a presentation to our VP. I took his pencil sketch and made a copy, took the copy home and drew it up on my Mac, printed out on my laser printer and gave it to him the next morning. He asked me how I did that so quickly (he was still working on his). I told him I had to do it at home because we didn't have the technology to do it at work.

That was then, this is now. Things have changed. Macs have many pros over PCs, and PCs have some pros over Macs. Do you shoot Sony, Canon or Nikon? Your choice and use what you are comfortable with.



Jun 13, 2022 at 08:56 AM
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"wanted to hear" ... not necessarily. Just trying to "understand" what it is I should be expecting (or not). Is it the same thing, only different ... or is it really, really different ... to a functional diff, or just an approach diff, or

This is the farthest I've reached into the Mac realm, and most earnestly considering the possibility of the Mac. For a nice rig, it'll be a bit of $$$, so I want to make sure (as best possible) that I understand what / why I'm doing that (or not), as to where I invest my $$$ in my next rig ... be that tomorrow, or next year. For $$$ items, I don't like to make too many mistakes ... so, I prefer to do my homework.

Styling doesn't mean that much to me, but I have an appreciation for quality products that provide solutions vs. those that give problems. My TP's have been good solutions, well enough (touch typist, too). About the only "problem" I have with the Extreme is only moderate battery life (some would say poor). It's not a major issue for me, because I'm usually tethered. Heat build up is mild at times. So, in that regard, those are two (minor) areas that improvement would be welcome ... as long as I'm not trading that for something else, kind of thing.



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That statement was true in the 1990s and maybe up to the early-mid 2000s but I don't think it holds true today (which is probably what you wanted to hear).

In the early days of Windows, the Mac was far ahead on most things "creative," including audio, graphic design, video, etc. People migrated to it because that's where the best tools were available, and they worked best. Today, there's really not much difference. I work with graphic designers every day; some of them use Macs, some use PCs. I work with scientists and engineers, some of them use Macs, some PCs,
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Jun 13, 2022 at 05:34 PM
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jforkner wrote:
Your question caused me to Google: “mac vs pc for creatives.” Perhaps you should do the same.

But I think you’ll find the simple answer to your question is history and tradition. Since the first Macs used the Motorola microprocessor, and its OS featured a graphical user interface, it was inevitable graphic designers would pickup on it. And they did.

And from the theme of your recent questions regarding Macs vs. PCs, one can assume you’re wanting to change, but can’t quite breakaway from what you’re familiar with. In addition, it would appear you want some profound reason why changing will make
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The potential quest for change ... is mostly rooted in the enthusiasm presented by others. Not unlike, when someone has never used a rangefinder, and others are raving about how wonderful they are. There is a question to what / why are the raves so strong. Is it something that needs to be explored.

As to becoming a "better photographer" ... I don't see how a switch to Mac could be profound in that department. Never had such a thought. If anything, I'm wondering if the learning curve of the Mac would be a distraction to my photographic endeavors / focus. In the end, it is a tool ... and tools either support / provide solutions, or are a PITA. But, sometimes when we change tools, we find that the different tool fits us better. Sometimes, not.

Now, that rangefinder thing, profound > better photographer ... could be a different story.



Jun 13, 2022 at 05:44 PM
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Ray Swindle wrote:
I am not going to talk about the technical pros and cons of PC/Mac, just want to reflect some empirical knowledge. My first home computer was an Apple IIe in 1983. Later I switched to Mac. At work, in technical fields, (maintenance and engineering) the organizations I worked for used PCs. I would draft my reports and white papers at work, then take them home to finish them on my Mac, especially when they required graphics. The engineering organizations had documentation sections to do formal reports. They used Macs, while everyone else used PCs. I remember my boss was
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If it is merely the difference in "comfortable with" ... then, that may temper the expectation of a "better tool for creatives" a bit. It would then like trying on a different brand of shoes. Not so much a "better" shoe, just do I like wearing them.

Kinda reminds me of the Chuck Taylor Converse Hi-Tops. Back in the day, they were designed as a superior court shoe .. to a function. Today, folks wear them because they are fashionable, or comfortable to their liking. Not a lot of folks getting Converse for hard-core hoops these days ... that's ancient history. But, if you like 'em ... wear 'em.

And of course, you gotta wear 'em to find out, if you like 'em (unless it is purely fashionable motivation).



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Jun 13, 2022 at 05:50 PM
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RustyBug wrote:
As to becoming a "better photographer" ... I don't see how a switch to Mac could be profound in that department. Never had such a thought.


If you know the answer ( "I don't see how a switch to Mac could be profound in that department" ), why ask the question ("What is it about a Mac, that makes it such that creatives and Mac's are "two peas in a pod", or "made for each other" ... that they go together better than creatives on a PC?" ) ?





Jun 13, 2022 at 05:52 PM
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chez wrote:
If you know the answer ( "I don't see how a switch to Mac could be profound in that department" ), why ask the question ("What is it about a Mac, that makes it such that creatives and Mac's are "two peas in a pod", or "made for each other" ... that they go together better than creatives on a PC?" ) ?


I know that I have no expectation that it will make me a better photographer. Imo, that's a different thing than the computer might provide a different workflow, or something that I may have not yet considered. Thus, the question remains ... what / why / how is it that the Mac is so strongly associated to creatives.

And, if there is no relevant answer to that question, other than style or historic (i.e. the GUI, etc.) or system unification perspectives, then having that question answered, means my understanding is improved. BUT, if there IS something that others might bring to light that COULD be profound ... I'm open to entertaining it. I just said the "I don't see how ..." That doesn't mean that I've already concluded that there isn't ... just wasn't the basis of my question ... but, if it is a byproduct or benefit to be learned, again, I'm receptive to hear of it.

Just trying to understand how much / what is real vs. folklore / history vs. preference. I'll share (later) what the discussion point was with the store in regard to the question. But, keeping that "blind" first so it doesn't influence the responses.




Jun 13, 2022 at 06:02 PM
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RustyBug wrote:
But, sometimes when we change tools, we find that the different tool fits us better. Sometimes, not.


Based on your comments to the responses you've received so far, I stand corrected on my previous perception about you wanting to change. It would appear you're against making the move unless, and until, someone can provide a compelling reason to do so---I doubt that's going to happen. You may have to actually change the tool before you get your answer.

Jack



Jun 13, 2022 at 06:33 PM
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jforkner wrote:
Based on your comments to the responses you've received so far, I stand corrected on my previous perception about you wanting to change. It would appear you're against making the move unless, and until, someone can provide a compelling reason to do so---I doubt that's going to happen. You may have to actually change the tool before you get your answer.

Jack


My asking others for their input ... is not me asking them to provide the compelling reason to change. I'm entertaining the change, but change is costly. I just want to understand what the gains might be. I don't change capriciously, but when I do change, it is usually with a degree of confidence and understanding to what / why / how I change ... and to what end or purpose.

I ask for the input to ensure that I don't OVERLOOK something that might indeed be compelling to me, so I'm not shortsighted by a myopic perspective. If there is a compelling reason for me to change, I'd like to find it. And, if the reason to change is just for the sake of change ... well, that can be okay, too. I just like to understand the what / why of such things before making this kind of change.

It may be that I find that I'd like something small like a MacAir to AUGMENT my PC. Or, it may be that I find I want something powerful to REPLACE my PC. Or, it may be that I find that I don't care for the Mac at all, and stick ONLY with my PC going forward.

Hopefully, that clarifies a bit.




Jun 13, 2022 at 07:12 PM
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Ray Swindle wrote:
Judging from your two posts, I appears to me you have reached analysis paralysis. This is not a negative thought, this happens when a decision is to be made that is not based on clear and concise requirements you can check off a spread sheet. You might want to go back to the beginning and right down all the requirements you expect your computer to satisfy. If you do list your requirements, don't forget to develop a budget. When you do your requirements, be sure to differentiate between "needs" and "wants". "Wants" can easily be taken off the list
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Ray, I understand your aspect of the process.

But, the LOVE doesn't come from the checklist, it comes from the experience.

The question isn't rooted as much in the needs analysis, as it is an inquiry to where the LOVE comes from.

To use a handgun analogy, some folks LOVE a 1911 trigger. On a needs basis, the 1911 will put a hole in a target the same way that a revolver will. On a "LOVES" basis, the experience of shooting a 1911 trigger is different from shooting a revolver trigger.

If someone asked me about why the LOVE for the 1911, I'd tell them it is because it has a short, single stage trigger, really crisp break, with great staging and a light pull. It is something you have to feel and experience for yourself. It is vastly different from the longer, two stage trigger of the revolver.

So, if someone said ... I want something for plinkin', or target practice ... well, either would meet the criteria. But, the two have different experiences. So, if the question was asked in advance ... i.e. what should I be prepared for the differences, then it could help to understand that for a revolver shooter to pick up a 1911, there will be noticeable differences to be aware of ... or vice verse.

Some folks prefer the revolver. Others prefer the 1911. Where differences exist, it helps to know about them going in ... and the tips / tricks of each ... and then to experience them. There comes a time when paper > experience. That's where I'm at right now ... experiencing (albeit a rental, to start). The questions are slated to help facilitate the experience. I think that some feel like I'm asking them to give me the conclusion ... I'm not. I'm asking for the voice of experience to help point out things for me to take a closer look at, or notice the diff's in. Sometimes a newb, doesn't know enough of what to look for. The extra info is to help ensure I'm not overlooking things that I may (or not) find of significance.

So, to your question:

Responsive processing power
Excellent tactile / UI interface

Yeah, that about covers it. Everything else is gravy.

Just asking folks what makes the gravy so yummy to them.



Jun 13, 2022 at 09:01 PM
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Apple is as arrogant as Adobe. They both decide what is best for you in their upgrades, while at the same time disabling features that you would prefer to keep.


Jun 13, 2022 at 09:38 PM
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In terms of "yummy gravy," I think for me it boils down to a few things:

1. Apple may be paternalistic, but they really sweat the details. Microsoft reminds me of those contractors who get the job 87 percent done, leave their tools at your place with a promise to come back later and finish the job, and get there eventually but never quite finish.

2. MacOS was designed from the beginning to be optimized for creative work. This is especially a benefit in audio, where Windows requires a lot of configuration to reduce latency and competing use of resources. For kicks, take a look at the long list of tweaks to Windows recommended by Merging Technologies, the developers of the Pyramix DAW: https://confluence.merging.com/display/PUBLICDOC/Windows+10+Configuration. Pyramix only runs on Windows, but I use several DAWs on my Macs and it's just plug and play, no system tweaking required.

3. The so-called "walled garden" that people love to complain about with Apple has huge benefits in terms of compatibility and consistency across applications and devices. The bottom line is that you spend more time getting things done and less time configuring apps and equipment in order to get things done. On the other hand Windows tends to have much better support for legacy equipment and software and I always keep a Windows laptop for that and other reasons. And for most common tasks, Windows is just as much plug and play as Mac.

As I said in your other thread, I use MacOS and Windows every day and like them both for different reasons. I've switched to Windows fulltime a few times but always ended up coming back to the Mac, but that's because I have been using the Mac longer and am more efficient on it; it's what I'm most used to. If you're a long-time Windows user and use it efficiently, I doubt switching would be worth it.



Jun 14, 2022 at 06:08 AM
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bjhurley wrote:
In terms of "yummy gravy," I think for me it boils down to a few things:

1. Apple may be paternalistic, but they really sweat the details. Microsoft reminds me of those contractors who get the job 87 percent done, leave their tools at your place with a promise to come back later and finish the job, and get there eventually but never quite finish.

2. MacOS was designed from the beginning to be optimized for creative work. This is especially a benefit in audio, where Windows requires a lot of configuration to reduce latency and competing use of resources. For
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Thanks for the additional insight ... truly appreciate it.



Jun 14, 2022 at 11:21 PM
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Kent,
All of the creative people I have to deal with in the professional world are all Mac. Graphic designers, art directors, account managers,etc all Mac. The last Mac Pro I had I bought in 2009 and I had it until 2019 when I bought the Mac I have right now. I will be very happy if I can get 10 years out of this one. Bigger investment up front but with the last Mac and hopefully with this one I will save in the long run.

I don't know how a computer can make you a better photographer. I know that having a preference for Mac for what I do is just a preference but one that comes from experience and what works best for me. Probably some of that comes from the field I work in and the people I have to work with.



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Could we talk more about the 1911's and revolver analogies please

One thought, have you had a 5k monitor before?
Karl



Jun 15, 2022 at 11:28 AM
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I have a 15" 4K wide gamut ony TP.

The mechanical shutter release on my (former) CL, reminds me of good staging with a crisp break, too. My M-P is wearing in nicely with continued use. Hoping the M-10P /R is even better.


Karl Witt wrote:
Could we talk more about the 1911's and revolver analogies please

One thought, have you had a 5k monitor before?
Karl




Jun 15, 2022 at 12:53 PM
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I don't know how a computer can make you a better photographer.


+1

Which leaves the question of why such a strong correlation between creatives and Mac.

Is the history entrenched, that it is the de facto standard ... vs. a specific functional variance advantage.

I understand preference, I understand history, I understand unification ... got those things, okay. Is there some functional advantage beyond those things that I should be seeking to experience?

I'm getting along with my rental okay ... except for the imprecise / inconsistent trackpad usage. I figure that will improve with use.

I get that if the industry is entrenched in Mac, many follow suit ... still not sure I understand the functional why it is entrenched, to what functional advantage / benefit?

As you know, I transitioned from DSLR toward RF ... on paper, it isn't the same as in experience.

Understanding, that there was something to be found in the RF experience ... I'm likewise anticipating that there is something to be found in the Mac experience. Just not sure where I should be looking, to find it.



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