I typically shoot with two bodies (prime shooter) and, out of frustration from switching between my very different A1 and A7RIV configurations, I just sold my A7RIV and replaced it with a second A1... hoping that the A7RV was not going to offer something I 'had to have'. I'm relieved that it is just a typical upgrade.
Petegh wrote:
Sony has repeatedly stated that they want to maintain their number one position in full frame cameras; to have any chance of doing that, they can't afford to bleed sales to anyone, nor can they afford to be timid.
Sony has increased their market share of full frame mirrorless cameras. Fuji's MF cameras are just a drop in the bucket as far as market share. Of bigger concern is the full frame mirrorless from both Canon and Nikon...not from Fuji.
chez wrote:
Sony has increased their market share of full frame mirrorless cameras. Fuji's MF cameras are just a drop in the bucket as far as market share. Of bigger concern is the full frame mirrorless from both Canon and Nikon...not from Fuji.
As usual, you're out of context Chez. I'm am talking about the future.
Petegh wrote:
Sony has repeatedly stated that they want to maintain their number one position in full frame cameras; to have any chance of doing that, they can't afford to bleed sales to anyone, nor can they afford to be timid.
To maintain their current position, they just need to continue doing what got them there in the first place - spending heavily on marketing. Done properly, that gets people to buy products no matter how bad (or timid) they are.
Petegh wrote:
As usual, you're out of context Chez. I'm am talking about the future.
So are you looking into the future and seeing the Fuji MF systems outsell say the Sony A74? Fuji makes cameras for a niche, Sony addresses the mass market. Totally different approaches.
chez wrote:
So are you looking into the future and seeing the Fuji MF systems outsell say the Sony A74? Fuji makes cameras for a niche, Sony addresses the mass market. Totally different approaches.
No, its not about the GFX outselling Sony's R series (although GFX sales are increasing YOY), but the percentage they are taking from Sony's R series. If Sony lost the number one spot by 1% overall, the percentage they lost to Fuji, may of made the difference, even if CaNikon did the majority of the damage.
RoamingScott wrote:
Lower base ISO, better IBIS, more long exposure options, focus stacking when needed, and for my needs their 24-120 is in a whole different league then the Sony 24-105 IQ wise (my hiking workhorse). The Z7ii sensor is like the Sony A7R3 sensor but better, somehow!
I started a poll about adding a GM version of the 24-105 and about 1/3 of the people who voted were in favor of Sony adding one. The G version isn't a bad lens and it's cheap so for someone moving up from a cell phone but not wanting to invest $2k into a lens right off it's a nice option. But it's also a nice range for general shooting. Like you said, a go to for hiking. I'm not sure if f/2.8 is needed, since it'll add weight, but it would be a shame to loose a lost cost entry level ff lens if it's just upgraded.
And like I said in that thread there is no reason for a GM…they just need an f4 markii that is on par with the current crop of G lenses, and even better if it goes 120mm.
Dr Al wrote:
I started a poll about adding a GM version of the 24-105 and about 1/3 of the people who voted were in favor of Sony adding one. The G version isn't a bad lens and it's cheap so for someone moving up from a cell phone but not wanting to invest $2k into a lens right off it's a nice option. But it's also a nice range for general shooting. Like you said, a go to for hiking. I'm not sure if f/2.8 is needed, since it'll add weight, but it would be a shame to loose a lost cost entry level ff lens if it's just upgraded....Show more →
RoamingScott wrote:
Lower base ISO, better IBIS, more long exposure options, focus stacking when needed, and for my needs their 24-120 is in a whole different league then the Sony 24-105 IQ wise (my hiking workhorse). The Z7ii sensor is like the Sony A7R3 sensor but better, somehow!
I agree.
For landscapes I also like the Nikon Z7II better than the Sony cameras, exactly for the reasons you mention.
I recently was at a photo fair where I could compare the mirrorless full frame competitors (Sony, Nikon, Canon, Panasonic) again.
- They all have features like focus stacking and the ability to set exposures longer than 30 seconds without having to manually use a bulb timer.
- They all have better IBIS than Sony.
- They all have a much better LCD screen. Sony keeps using the small mediocre screen with very limited touch functionality.
- They all have better ergonomics (this is ofcourse personal preference).
Not even the flagship Sony A1 has any of this.
It's the lenses that keep me with Sony for now. The newer GM's are all fantastic and I just keep wishing their bodies will eventually follow.
I also find Sony's camera software to be a little underwhelming and really wish shooters would band together and push these manufacturers to release more substantial firmware updates. No focus stacking, no in-camera multi-image stacking, no in-camera double exposure, no GPS, weak sensor cleaning, cumbersome companion app setup. It blows. The camera industry hasn't kept pace with the level of innovation and QOL improvements seen in the broader tech space. I would love to see a breakdown of costs for an A7RV.
I really hope that next landscape Alpha has an LCD that can be tilted in portrait orientation. Shooting in portrait low to the ground is a complete pain. That might be the only feature that will make me upgrade from A7R3 (since I now have A1 as well).
Jochenb wrote:
I recently was at a photo fair where I could compare the mirrorless full frame competitors (Sony, Nikon, Canon, Panasonic) again.
- They all have features like focus stacking and the ability to set exposures longer than 30 seconds without having to manually use a bulb timer.
- They all have better IBIS than Sony.
- They all have a much better LCD screen. Sony keeps using the small mediocre screen with very limited touch functionality.
- They all have better ergonomics (this is ofcourse personal preference).
Not even the flagship Sony A1 has any of this.
It's the lenses that keep me with Sony for now. The newer GM's are all fantastic and I just keep wishing their bodies will eventually follow. ...Show more →
That's why I'm still keeping my R5 (Canon R5 ) The A1 is an AF monster though, especially with long glass. Nothing else comes close.
Colour me underwhelmed if true, but I highly doubt these are real specs. If they are it just strengthens my resolve to just sell my A9 and A7RIII for an A1. A7IV was a disappointment to me even more than the A7RIV and this would be the same. It seems Sony sensors are are now stagnating with there being no real improvements to sensor scan speed outside of a stacked sensor.
I just hope Nikon decide not to rehash Sony sensors in their Z6/Z7 mk III whenever they arrive and also get caught with glacial scan speeds.
InFocus2014 wrote:
I typically shoot with two bodies (prime shooter) and, out of frustration from switching between my very different A1 and A7RIV configurations, I just sold my A7RIV and replaced it with a second A1...
What genre of photography do you work in, if not a secret?
Considering Sony's pattern of upgrades, this doesn't have to be from a valid source of information. It could simply be a reasonable or smart guess about A7r v. So I think it's plausible anticipation which makes A7r v a worthy competitor against Canon R5; actually a better option if the price is not set too high. I haven't upgraded to A7 riv because I just don't need/want the extra resolution and if I upgrade to A7r v, it will not be for the resolution but for other worthy upgrades. I only hope they will eventually add the focus stacking feature as it's a feature I want and can make use of. However, Sony being Sony, it's very likely they keep ignoring the feature until the pressure from consumers and the criticism from reviewers mount up.
Dr Al wrote:
But I don't lots of people buying a $4k+ body with a slight bump in resolution over the A1 because they can't afford the A1. How far behind is the next A9? It's sure to get a bump in MP and AF. So who is this camera for? I can easily see the guy with an A7Rii seeing this as a nice bump. It could temp the A7Rii owner to do the upgrade.
Yep - A7rii owner here who would jump to these specs in a flash if true.
Nothing in this list seems like a compelling reason for me to spend thousands of dollars to upgrade from the A7R4. If this rumor is true, it will probably cement my decision to go to Fuji GFX.
I know most people don't care, but I was waiting and hoping for more resolution (and focus stacking). I'll take all the pixels I can reasonably afford, for printing, software perspective control, and fewer aliasing artifacts. We know Sony has a higher rez sensor; I wonder what they plan to do with it, and when?
