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The A7C has been out for a while. I am curious about what long-term users think after using it for a sustained period of time. I am especially interested to hear from people who like the camera and to hear what they like about it. Comments about the EVF from people who chose not to buy the camera don't add much, but comments from people who have used the camera for a while are very interesting.

Below is my own review, an edited and updated version of a posting I made when I first used the camera. The review now reflects longer-term usage. I kept my original A7C until I sold it when I bought an A1. I decided to keep an A9 and sell the A7C because I thought the transition back and forth between the A9 and A1 would be easier to do. I have recently re-purchased the A7C for travel and take-along purposes.

1. Size---it is smaller and it feels both smaller and lighter in actual use than any other full frame I have handled. It is handier than my A9 or A7R4. I like picking it up, and the slight simplification of the controls also makes it quicker to use, probably because of the modes that one chooses to use it in and how one sets it up originally. It is not enormously smaller than the A9, but it is smaller in how it feels in use and how it carries.

2. Image quality---Image quality is excellent. At the ISOs at which I mostly shoot, it seems to have slightly better IQ than the A9 and to handle low light images better than the A7R4. Colors seem very lovely to me, which I missed a bit when I sold my A7III. It is nice to have them back. It's image quality is at the A7III level, which is truly excellent.

3. Autofocus---AF is excellent, better than the A7III, better (I think) than the A7R4, not quite as good as the A9. Real Time Tracking and Eye AF have changed the way I shoot, and this is a strong implementation of both. The scan rate is not as fast as the A9, so silent shutter is not friendly to LED lights, which produce banding, and presumably not to the kinds of motion that produce rolling shutter effects. There is still a place for the A9 in this regard.

4. EVF and LCD---The EVF is fine and quite useable for the non-tripod uses for which this camera is designed. On a tripod, I would use the screen anyway. I did not have any difficulties with the EVF in actual use with either its size or magnification, though one will notice that it is smaller than the other EVFs in the 7 and 9 and 1 series cameras. I did have a SMALL problem with the absence of an eye-cup, in exactly the situation that another user describes--strong sunlight coming from the left. In that situation, I needed to position my hand to block the sunlight from interfering with the EVF. Small problem, but an eyecup would fix it. This is not a problem with the EVF per se. The LCD seems fine to me. I didn't notice anything different about using it except that it is a bit smaller, as one would expect. This didn't matter to me in use.

5. Lenses used---I have been using the Sony smaller lenses with it--the 28/2, 35/1.8, 55/1.8, and 85/1.8. These fit the camera and feel good in the hand, and focus very quickly and accurately. The Sigma i series lenses ft the camera extremely well and together they make a great travel kit. Although I haven't used them as much, the 20/1.8 and the 24/1.4 also fit very well. All of the Loxia, many of the Voigtlanders, the Sony 35/2.8, the Samyang 1.8 series and the Samyang 18/2.8, and the Tamron 2.8 series of lenses should all fit this camera especially well. Perhaps surprisingly, the Batis, which I have tried on, also handle very well on the A7C--they have more diameter than the above lenses but are quite light and also short (w/o their hoods on) and the combination is nice in the hand and nicely balanced in terms of handling. But they are of course a bit larger than the preceding lenses.

6. Overall---My impressions are favorable. I have used it for family portraits, still lifes, landscapes, and animals, and it has handled all of those situation very nicely. This camera, to me so far, is distinguished by being very useable and transparent. It is quick to be picked up and easy to shoot while still providing outstanding image quality and good controls over shooting. It's autofocus is really excellent and makes it easy to get sharp focus exactly where you want it; the AF is sticky and will capture moving subjects accurately. The A7C does not include any major technological innovations (except the downsizing of the new IBIS system to fit in the camera), but it is very, very useable and I think that is where Sony has in fact innovated with this camera. Its size, lightness, and excellent autofocus are the keys to this heightened usability. It is a perfect travel camera, great family camera, and an excellent take-anywhere camera that is well integrated and will easily yield very high quality images.




May 07, 2022 at 10:27 AM
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I was a short-time owner.

The A7C is very nice with modern menus and settings and quick, accurate AF. I had just two complaints.

1) The size and weight weren't different enough from my A1, especially after I removed the RRS L-bracket from my A1, to make me want to use the A7C. The biggest difference in size between the A1 and A7C is the lack of the A1 viewfinder bump. The A7C and the A1 are otherwise close in depth, width, and height. The weight difference is only about 228 grams. I was hoping for a Sony EDC camera, something I would take everywhere, almost pocketable, but the A7C was gargantuan compared to my Ricoh GR III.

2) I was very disappointed with the A7C EVF, It felt like the pop-up vireewfinder of the RX1 I used to own. For me, the EVF not as easy to use due to its awkward placement and was not nearly as sharp and detailed as the A1 EVF

All in all, the experience made me love my A1 and my Ricoh GR III even more. That said, the A7C is a great camera, just not what I was looking for. I will be interested to see how long-term owners feel about size differences and EVF quality.



May 07, 2022 at 01:05 PM
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I had the A7C for awhile and really liked it.

Size - loved the size. no hump made it easy to be able to accomodate a smaller camera bag. I also carry my camera on a PD clip when hiking and the lighter body and size was very enjoyable.

Battery - It was a rare day that I needed more then one battery.

IQ - Less pixel density within the Sony FF lineup generally means better low ISO and I found this the case compared to the A7R3 and A7R4. The dynamic range was great and I was able to recover shadows to my liking. Using slower lenses lke the 24/3.5 was not an issue on dark, stormy days in the mtns

Autofocus - For my needs it worked great. Not a pro sports photographer. FWIW - I never had an issue with the AF on the NEX series, A6x series, or A7R2/3/4. Only had AF issues with a few lenses.

EVF/LCD - Initially I was ok with with the compromise of the EVF (coming from the A7R4) for the size, but the LCD in bright mountain sunshine is unusable and I prefer to compose using the EVF. I wear glasses and the EVF is small, stray light comes in (there are some cheap eyecups avail but not to my liking) and the low .59 magnification made it hard for me to work with.

Lens - Bought a bunch of small, lighter lenses .. 20G, CV21/3.5, Sigma 24/3.5, Sigma 35/2, Sigma 45/2.8, Sigma 65/2, Sigma 90/2.8, Sony 28-60, Sigma 28-70, Tamron 17-28 (already had a CV15). Still own the CV15, 20G and Sigma 24/45/90

Use - several trips w/ sightseeing and hiking and also just hiking in the local mountains.

Overall - great FF camera in a small body with great IQ, AF and low ISO performance. Great selection of fantastic small primes. The low magnification EVF made it harder for me to use. However, If Sony releases a higher resolution version, I would likely re-buy it and pair it with the E16-55 and E70-350 (24-525) for a light two lens zoom kit and carry one fast prime (20G or 35GM).



May 07, 2022 at 02:10 PM
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I’ve kept an A7r2 for times when weight is important. I use it with the 35mm f2.8 and 55mm f1.8, and a couple of Batis lenses (24mm and 85mm).

Not sure that the a7c would bring enough benefits to adop it.



May 07, 2022 at 06:00 PM
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I've had my A7C since the launch day in Japan (October 2020). It's been my most commonly used / main camera for walk-around use on weekends & days off & on extended lunch breaks, and for (very limited) travel and that's pretty much everything I've been using a camera for in the last 2+ years. I much prefer the smaller form factor and weight of the A7C compared to the latest generation of other Sony FF E-mount cameras (which have kept getting bigger and slightly heavier).

I've kept my original A9 for shooting festival event action (esp. Japanese summer festivals including dance performances) but all those events have been cancelled until this year due to Covid-19 restrictions. Hopefully those events will be possible again from this summer.

I like small and light FF cameras paired with small & light lenses for my typical use and I also have Sigma fp that takes turns with my A7C. I prefer the A7C overall to the fp because of the integrated EVF, grip, IBIS and better battery life and I also have more native E-mount lenses than L-mount. When I use the Sigma fp, it's pretty much always with its EVF-11 accessory viewfinder and Sigma's small grip attached and with those extras it's bigger and heavier than the A7C. EVF-11 provides a much bigger view than A7C's EVF but it's quite large and makes the fp a bit clunkier. Sigma has no AA-filter (which I think is a benefit over A7C although A7C's IQ is excellent too) and it has some interesting color profiles & tone curve options and in-camera DNG file editing capabilities. Sigma also has better video capabilities but I don't shoot video at all.

I use these cameras primarily with electronic shutter in silent mode (fp only has electronic shutter), and I mostly shoot static scenes with my A7C and with the Sigma. I just switch the A7C to EFCS mode with anti-flicker feature enabled when there is artificial light that could generate banding. It's another benefit over the Sigma as it's quite easy to get banding on such situations with the fp.

Overall I've been very happy with the A7C. The EVF is also working well for me even if the view is quite small. I can compose with it and focus without any issues and manual focus is also easy to handle. In some strong side-light situations it can be a bit difficult to see through the EVF but those kind of situations haven't been happening often at all in my regular use and if it happens I can block the light with my hand or change my position a bit. I always use eyeglasses and I just press the lens of my glasses against the EVF and there are no practical problems with the EVF for me. The small size of the EVF helps to keep the overall form factor of the camera as small as possible which I think that is a reasonable compromise and unlikely to change much in future iterations of A7C.

I've built up a nice collection of small(ish) glass that goes well with the A7C, including:
- CV native E-mount: 15/4.5, 21/3.5, 21/1.4, 35/1.2, 35/1.4, 35/2, 40/1.2, 50/1.2, 50/2
- Sigma I series: 24/3.5, 35/2, 45/2.8, 65/2, 90/2.8
- Sony G: 40/2.5, 50/2.5
- Compact zooms: Sigma 28-70/2.8 DG DN, Sony 28-60/4-5.6
- Kistar: 40/2.4 (native E), 55/1.2 (C/Y), 85/1.4 (C/Y)
- Lots of adapted M/LTM glass by CV, Minolta, Avenon, Konica, MS-Optics, Topcor, Tanar, Canon to fill the focal length gaps of existing CV E-mount glass + to offer some unique rendering options

For my general use, there's not much that could be improved from the current A7C. 24 MP is a sweet spot for me and I'm not looking forward to adding more resolution. I don't miss any controls on the camera as all the primes I use with the camera have aperture rings on them and there's no need for additional control wheels or custom buttons in my general use. A bigger EVF would be nice to have but I don't know how they could include it without changing the form factor of the camera (which I like a lot as it is). Ideally I'd like A7C to have a stacked sensor with a fast readout (like A9) but without any IQ or DR compromises that A9 has, but I think such a camera is unlikely to come out at similar price-point in the near future. I expect to keep using A7C as my main general use camera for a long time to come.



May 08, 2022 at 08:19 AM
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smpetty wrote:
I was a short-time owner.

The A7C is very nice with modern menus and settings and quick, accurate AF. I had just two complaints.

1) The size and weight weren't different enough from my A1, especially after I removed the RRS L-bracket from my A1, to make me want to use the A7C. The biggest difference in size between the A1 and A7C is the lack of the A1 viewfinder bump. The A7C and the A1 are otherwise close in depth, width, and height. The weight difference is only about 228 grams. I was hoping for a Sony EDC camera, something
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I was a short time owner as well and came to the same conclusion. The A1 just is not that much bigger yet I gain a lot with the A1. I sold my A7Riv and A7C for the A1. I did keep the 28-60 kit lens, perfect for some occasions. I also have the GRiii, wonderful camera!



May 08, 2022 at 11:16 AM
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BruceRH wrote:
I was a short time owner as well and came to the same conclusion. The A1 just is not that much bigger yet I gain a lot with the A1. I sold my A7Riv and A7C for the A1. I did keep the 28-60 kit lens, perfect for some occasions. I also have the GRiii, wonderful camera!


I think the perception of size has a lot to do with where and how I am using the camera and what else I am carrying. My A1 feels larger to me than my A9 which feels larger to me than my A7C. But if I am shooting around the house or somewhere where I am carrying a bag and a bunch of large lenses, then in those circumstances the differences in size don't matter too much. However, if I am traveling or just taking the camera along, maybe with a couple of small lenses, then the A7C feels way smaller than the other cameras and I really appreciate the smallness and the lightness.

I also like how discreet the camera is--it doesn't look like something much that you're sticking in other people's faces. It is a very non-threatening camera. I think in its size and discreetness it has some of the qualities that the Leicas origianally had for reportage and street shooting. The body rectangle of the A7C (excluding the hand grip) is significantly smaller than the Leica M10.

When I took the A7C out of the box this second time around, I couldn't believe how small and light it was. Set next to my other bodies, it looks tiny to me. YMMV, obviously.



May 08, 2022 at 10:36 PM
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I had a similar experience. Keep debating on rebuying one. I know a Sony ambassador is testing a new Sony camera but don’t think it is an updated A7C

chiron wrote:
I think the perception of size has a lot to do with where and how I am using the camera and what else I am carrying. My A1 feels larger to me than my A9 which feels larger to me than my A7C. But if I am shooting around the house or somewhere where I am carrying a bag and a bunch of large lenses, then in those circumstances the differences in size don't matter too much. However, if I am traveling or just taking the camera along, maybe with a couple of small lenses, then the A7C feels way
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May 08, 2022 at 10:50 PM
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Added an A7C to complement my A7RII. Out of the box the size difference was less than I hoped for, but returning from a one-week ski tour in the alps I would say that the size&weight difference when carrying the camera on a Peak Design Capture Clip on my backpack is not insignificant. The camera could also be handled with light gloves. For a lightweight hiking set-up with two or three small lenses the camera works very well for me.

The greatest improvement is battery capacity, two batteries lasted for the whole trip. The screen was usually reversed and the camera used with the EVF only, probably contributing to low battery consumption .



May 09, 2022 at 03:02 AM
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I've also been using the A7c for over a year now as a secondary camera to my A7RIII for weddings, travel, climbing, skiing, ...
Sometimes only as a backup body with small pack size. For example, I used it in Iceland when my A7RIII had to dry after water damage.

For me there is no alternative, but I am not convinced.

Pros:
- Very small pack size;
- good image quality;
- very good and reliable autofocus (different world than my A7Riii), also very helpful for sports photography;

Cons:
- EVF: Especially the missing sunshade bothers me;
- Direct setting buttons and wheels are missing, which I would urgently need for a generally faster operation;
- ! The lack of a mechanical shutter is a huge drawback: Only the choice between EFC and Silent Shutter. So I can choose between disadvantages in image quality and bad bokeh at fast shutter speeds. Especially with sports shots a big disadvantage and a pity, because the AF is very good.
- Subjectively I think the images of the A7RIII are on a higher level, especially the sharpness impression is visibly higher, both on the 5k screen, as well as on the Full HD screen.


As always with novel Sony products, there is a lot of room for improvement
It's nice that Sony introduced the A7c, but I'd like it with the sensor of the A7RIII, with an effective sunshade for the viewfinder, one more wheel and additionally with a mechanical shutter.
Other than that, I think the body of the A7c looks nice, feels good and has the perfect size.



May 09, 2022 at 04:08 AM
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Actually I love my A7C. Compared to my first body (A7iv) it has a really favorable quality / price ratio.
I expect a lot of improvement by A7iv with software upgrade, but nothing by A7C (that is going to his end of life). Anyway in this moment it's very competitive.

My cons:
- buttons and weel usability: really poor stability, not only for a confortable aspect, but also functionality. Is really hard to feel the transition from "half press" to "full press" of shutter button, so is hard to maintain focus on subject and shoot successive bursts. Others buttons have same feedback, not always at the first push or movemebt (expecially for navigation weel) they renspose as attended
- EVF: yes, I know before to buy. But in the use there are some situation where the detail is too poor to understand what really is happening, I have to open left eye or to use LCD in some cases. A bigger and better oled should increase use experience.
- no backup slot

For all other aspect I find A7C really a great body.



May 09, 2022 at 04:41 AM
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I had one for over a year. Used extensively. Didn’t like it and don’t miss it. Sensor was good but recycled and nothing special at this point (not an “issue,” though an a7r2/a7r3 sensor would have been better). I did find the size appreciably smaller than the 3rd and 4th generations of bodies of other Sony bodies.

The AF was quite good, but it lacked external controls, the EVF was lousy and I very much disliked the flippy/twirly screen implementation. So, I don’t miss mine at all as I found actually using it was not pleasant. Really liked the concept though—thought it was quite close. Will be watching for an a7c2.




May 09, 2022 at 06:29 AM
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I have always liked the form factor. I had been waiting for an Rx1riii or FF sensor in an A6xxx body. When it first came out it was just a flat out no buy for me because of the flip screen. Yeah I was very critical and vocal about my frustration. Eventually I broke down and tried one but was to annoyed by the flip screen I sold it. Couple months ago I needed to shake things up. Normally when I'm in a funk I might force myself to use a lens or focal length I don't normally like. In this case I just sold everything and started over. Anyway I bought another A7C with Sigma 20mm, 35mm, and 90mm. I have to say as a kit it is so compact that I am taking it out way more. As others have mentioned the low light image quality and AF is great (miss the higher MP). I have come to appreciate the camera for what it is. The EVF is small but still doable which initially was a gripe. The flip screen still sucks though. Just hate them, no way around it. I'm hoping a higher resolution version might be coming in the A7C ii. My fear is if I want this form factor I'm stuck with the stupid flip screen though as I can't see them changing that on future versions. I know people don't think there is a big enough difference but to me the handling and size is a big difference form my (A7riv & A1) in real world use. Not having that bigger grip (which keeps growing) and top mounted EVF to me makes a big difference. My advice would be you need to give it longer than a week use to allow it to grow on you. It's not perfect for sure but for people that appreciate a smaller set up you really can't beat it (as of now)

















May 09, 2022 at 07:02 AM
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The biggest improvement is the AF-C Aperture Drive in AF - Focus Priority setting that seems to work with all (including 3d party) lenses. Finally a 24 Mpix Sony body that can do group portraits with flash at f8 in low light.
(the A7IV might do this too but it wasn't around when i got my A7C).



May 09, 2022 at 11:39 AM
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I picked up an A7C to complement my A7R4 for when I wanted to go smaller and for sports/action. However, I found when I wanted to go smaller the lens choice made a lot more difference than the camera body, and the prices of used A9's made it too tempting, so I made the switch to an A9 instead.

So was there anything I didn't like about the A7C? Not really, was a great camera. EVF and lack of custom dials didn't bother me for how I used it. I just couldn't resist the current prices on A9's.



May 09, 2022 at 11:50 AM
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But no one has addressed the really important question about the A7C.

Which looks better--silver chrome or black?



May 09, 2022 at 09:26 PM
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I like small cameras, but prefer center mounted EVFs over the rangefinder positioning of the 7c. Much easier to sight down the barrel when using telephoto lenses like the 28-200.

So for still images I find it's hard to beat the original A7. Better center-mounted EVF, even lighter than the 7c, similar (slightly noisier) sensor, and for stills I don't mind loosing IBIS (which on Sony's of any kind is of limited utility in any case, especially for video). I've had mine for over half a decade and it keeps on functioning fine - none of the mount issues I've heard about from other folks. When I need better AF or resolution or video, then I carry something like an R3 or A9, which is bigger, heavier (and more capable), but the fact that the A7 works great with (most) of my lenses is a big bonus over crop sensor alternatives. (I wouldn't mount a big telephoto lens like the 200-600, though.)

I'd love to see an updated A7R, actually. I think for still photo use that'd be a very fun camera.

A7 with 28-200



May 09, 2022 at 10:22 PM
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chiron wrote:
But no one has addressed the really important question about the A7C.

Which looks better--silver chrome or black?


I prefer black, but I had silver (super occasion)



May 10, 2022 at 12:07 AM
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I prefer black, but I had silver (super occasion)


I preferred black so I got that one. I went to see both in a Sony showroom in Tokyo before I put in my order (before launch) and black just looked better to me and most of my lenses (including adapted rangefinder lenses) are black too.



May 10, 2022 at 01:22 AM
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I didn't love it at first, but it has grown on me. The main compromises (mediocre EVF, only one command wheel, a few important buttons missing compared to higher-end A7 cameras) seemed to overshadow the main benefit, which is its size. It also doesn't balance great with most of my lenses. I saw no reason to use it when I had an A7RIII handy as well.

Then I bought the Sigma 45mm when Adorama had them for $250.

And that lens is basically stuck to my A7C now, and I use the combo as my "when IQ is important but compactness is more important" setup. The RX1RII normally fills that role and the A7C has almost completely replaced it. I set the single command wheel to control shutter speed in all modes, since the 45mm has an aperture ring. I know many Sony lenses have aperture rings, but they're all too big and "professional" for when I want a casual rig. And interestingly enough, because it's such a lightweight combo I find myself just using the LCD to compose and shoot. The touchscreen and pivoting panel really help.

I found a LowePro case that perfectly fits the combo, and I grab it whenever I'm going somewhere I might happen across something to shoot. Like last weekend I went on a long walk through the city with a non-photographer friend, and I didn't plan or even want photography to be a focus of the evening. But I threw the bag over my shoulder and took out the camera just once, when we were presented with a view of the city that was just begging to be shot. I would have very much regretted not having a camera, and I would not have brought one if I didn't have the A7C.

So in summation. I don't think it will be a main or favorite camera for anyone on this forum, mostly because if you're hanging out in a brand forum on FM you're probably already pretty serious about your photography. But IMO with the right lens, it fills a particular niche better than anything on the market (save for maybe a Q/Q2). If Sigma or Sony can make an AF lens in the 28-50 range that's as small as the Sigma 45, with the same or better IQ, and at least f/2 or brighter, I think that would make the A7C a lot more popular.



May 10, 2022 at 04:38 AM
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