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Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Just pick my up today and ran to a park near my apartment for a quick test.
All shot handheld. I adjust the pictures in PS but did not apply any noise reduction or add any sharpening to any image. All shot wide opened.

1/1250s f6.3, iso 2000 cropped to around DX size.

1/400s, f6.3, iso 3600

1/400s, f6.3, iso 1600

1/800s, iso 1250, cropped to about 32mp so not quite DX cropped.

with TCx1.4, 1120mm, f9, iso 800

with TCx2 1600mm f 13, 1/320 iso 2800

With TCx2, 1600mm, f13, 1/100, iso 1000

with TCx2, 1600mm, 1/500, iso 2200

All in all, it is a nice and relatively light package.
AF at say 10+M and longer, AF is very fast and is approaching 400/2.8S, I think. but at 5-8m, AF is quite slow but not as slow as 200-500/5.6. AF speed with TCx1.4 is very reasonable but would require more testing for bif but I would not use TCx2 with fast moving object but perched bird is ok.

Apr 22, 2022 at 06:11 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

What kind of owl is that?

Apr 22, 2022 at 06:25 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

jschn372 wrote:
What kind of owl is that?

spotted owlet. It is quite small, usually only about 6-7 inches tall.

Apr 22, 2022 at 06:27 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Awesome!
When you say AF is not as fast as 400S, are you comparing it to a bare 400S? How AF of the 800pf compare to 400s with 2xTC.

Apr 22, 2022 at 06:27 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

this is me wrote:
Awesome!
When you say AF is not as fast as 400S, are you comparing it to a bare 400S? How AF of the 800pf compare to 400s with 2xTC.

At long distance, I think it is at least comparable to 400/2.8S with TCx2. With TCx2 on 400/2.8S, I had no problem tracking kingfisher in flight so I think it is very fast. 400/2.8S is faster still but not by much. However at 5-8m, AF speed dropped quite a bit unless AF plane is close or preferably slightly in front of the subject.
I won't have much time this weekend unfortunately but next Thursday, I should be able to go out with both 800PF and 400/2.8S hopefully.

Apr 22, 2022 at 06:31 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Very nice sample shots.
1600mm @ 1/100, handheld with a decent result is pretty incredible. Well done!

Thanks for sharing. I am hoping to get a call from my dealer today. :-)

Regards,
Phil

Apr 22, 2022 at 06:35 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

EyeSpyEagle wrote:
Very nice sample shots.
1600mm @ 1/100, handheld with a decent result is pretty incredible. Well done!

Thanks for sharing. I am hoping to get a call from my dealer today. :-)

Regards,
Phil

Thanks Phil,
I just wanted to try 1/100s to see what happened and I was rather surprised by the result as well.
I heard that supply for 800PF will be faster than 400/2.8S so hopefully the wait won't be nearly as bad.

Apr 22, 2022 at 06:42 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

EyeSpyEagle wrote:
Very nice sample shots.
1600mm @ 1/100, handheld with a decent result is pretty incredible. Well done!

Thanks for sharing. I am hoping to get a call from my dealer today. :-)

Regards,
Phil

Incredible might be an understatement! That is just an unreal shot. And this lens handles the 2X TC like a champ. Well done!

Apr 22, 2022 at 07:35 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Congrats on getting your hands on this one quickly too!

Any initial thoughts on how the detail compares between this and the 400 + 2x? I'm expecting it to be similar or slightly better but in a more hand-hold friendly package.

I got my pre-order in for this one pretty quickly but no news yet. I wanted the 400 for upcoming trips but I'm in way less of a hurry for the 800.

Apr 22, 2022 at 08:03 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

There are now two 800mm PF's currently out there, which thread is this for?

This 800mm PF
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/918849-REG/nikon_2205_af_s_nikkor_800mm_f_5_6e.html

or this 800mm PF?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1679311-REG/nikon_nikkor_z_800mm_f_6_3.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

Apr 22, 2022 at 08:14 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

NightOwl Cat wrote:
There are now two 800mm PF's currently out there, which thread is this for?

This 800mm PF
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/918849-REG/nikon_2205_af_s_nikkor_800mm_f_5_6e.html

or this 800mm PF?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1679311-REG/nikon_nikkor_z_800mm_f_6_3.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

The first one is NOT a PF lens.

Apr 22, 2022 at 08:22 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Holy Cr-p Batman! This looks promising...

Apr 22, 2022 at 02:03 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Congrats! Looking good so far.

Apr 22, 2022 at 03:37 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Thanks for sharing. Looking good.

Man 400S and 800PF is a killer combo to own. I'd buy them both if I could mount them on an A1.

Looking forward to more shots from your outing next week!!

Apr 22, 2022 at 04:10 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

philwaring wrote:
Congrats on getting your hands on this one quickly too!

Any initial thoughts on how the detail compares between this and the 400 + 2x? I'm expecting it to be similar or slightly better but in a more hand-hold friendly package.

I got my pre-order in for this one pretty quickly but no news yet. I wanted the 400 for upcoming trips but I'm in way less of a hurry for the 800.

I don't have a good feel for it yet. Would be better to wait until I have time to try the same object at the same time but I think they are very close.
This is the closest comparison I could find so far but distance is a bit different, lighting is a bit different though so not a great comparison.

100% cropped from 800 PF left vs 400/2.8S+ TCx2 right.
800 PF, 800 f6.3, iso 800, 1/400s
400/2.8S + TCx2 iso 900, f5.6, 1/100s
These two pictures were taken on different day.

The owlets usually come to the location that I know only in the late afternoon/evening but I won't be free this weekend during that time but it would be a great subject to try when I can, I think

However, bokeh may not be as nice as 400/2.8S+TC though. With lots of leaves in the background with some bright sky, some leaves had this ugly double edge which is not as pronounced with 400/2.8S+ TC, I think.

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Apr 22, 2022 at 04:10 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

suteetat wrote:
I don't have a good feel for it yet. Would be better to wait until I have time to try the same object at the same time but I think they are very close.
This is the closest comparison I could find so far but distance is a bit different, lighting is a bit different though so not a great comparison.

https://morboi.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Untitled-1.jpg

100% cropped from 800 PF left vs 400/2.8S+ TCx2 right.
800 PF, 800 f6.3, iso 800, 1/400s
400/2.8S + TCx2 iso 900, f5.6, 1/100s

The owlets usually come to the location that I know only in the late afternoon/evening but I won't be free...Show more →

I am amazed by the 800 pf because I never thought it will be this good also because I do not take the final impression from the youtubers.

Apr 22, 2022 at 04:19 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

twistacatz wrote:
Incredible might be an understatement! That is just an unreal shot. And this lens handles the 2X TC like a champ. Well done!

The weight certainly make it easier to handhold and when lighting and distance is suitable, TC is a lot of fun.

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NightOwl Cat wrote:
There are now two 800mm PF's currently out there, which thread is this for?

This 800mm PF
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/918849-REG/nikon_2205_af_s_nikkor_800mm_f_5_6e.html

or this 800mm PF?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1679311-REG/nikon_nikkor_z_800mm_f_6_3.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

The first one is an F mount version 800/5.6e FL which does not have phase fresnel (PF). It is twice as heavy and about 2.5x more expensive. Z mount currently only have one 800mm which is your link and is the only 800mm that Nikon makes that has phase fresnel. There is already an official thread for 800/5.6e FL but it is not very active as I don't think many people own it due to weight and cost. However, hopefully 800PF thread would be more active as many people already ordered them.

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armd wrote:
Holy Cr-p Batman! This looks promising...

So far so good

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Ross Martin wrote:
Congrats! Looking good so far.

Thanks

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arbitrage wrote:
Thanks for sharing. Looking good.

Man 400S and 800PF is a killer combo to own. I'd buy them both if I could mount them on an A1.

Looking forward to more shots from your outing next week!!

Yes, I think this combination will be it for me for a long time. This year, hopefully Nikon will release 85/1.2 sometimes during the second half of the year then I am done with buying lenses for a while.
The benefit of Z mount, I bought Sony 14/1.8 recently as it is better and much smaller and lighter than Sigma Art 14/1.8. While AF on Techart adapter is not good like some other Sony lenses, I plan to use it with manual focus for the Milky Way anyhow

edited: oppps, I take this back. The first day I got Sony 14/1.8 I tried it briefly with Z9 a few weeks ago and AF was a bit unreliable which was not the case with 50/1.4, 85/1.4GM. However, today, I gave it another try with Z7 ii and Z9 with the recent firmware update and 14/1.8 actually works just as well as it if is native lens. No hiccups so far.

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Apr 22, 2022 at 04:24 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

NissanPatrol wrote:
I am amazed by the 800 pf because I never thought it will be this good also because I do not take the final impression from the youtubers.

I think Steve Perry is very reliable. While I expected Nikon not to produce a dud especially in supertele arena, Steve's initial impression really made me very excited.

Apr 22, 2022 at 04:29 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

suteetat wrote:
At long distance, I think it is at least comparable to 400/2.8S with TCx2. With TCx2 on 400/2.8S, I had no problem tracking kingfisher in flight so I think it is very fast. 400/2.8S is faster still but not by much. However at 5-8m, AF speed dropped quite a bit unless AF plane is close or preferably slightly in front of the subject.
I won't have much time this weekend unfortunately but next Thursday, I should be able to go out with both 800PF and 400/2.8S hopefully.

Awesome shots sir!! Mine comes next week and agree this 800 and 400TC combo on the Z9 is outstanding!! Happy Days!

Apr 22, 2022 at 05:04 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

So we can all throw our tripods away now, right? Only half-kidding.

Thanks for posting your first photos! The VR performance truly looks like we’ll be free to shoot at any reasonable shutter speed for wildlife without restriction, although I’m sure a little machine-gunning won’t hurt at 1/250 or so.

I’m interested to hear further impressions of AF performance. If I’m honest so won’t be using this lens at <10M very often, but I’d love to hear how it compares to other super telephotos.

Apr 22, 2022 at 05:24 PM

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