p.1 #1 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
updated in thread 1: upgraded to 3070, no differences.. 32GB additional RAM on the way
Without using a proxy, my AMD 3700X can't playback in Resolve studio smoothly with 8k30 200M PP8 video. I can shoot proxy but is M1 really the solution there? Or maybe a faster CPU will handle?
p.1 #2 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
Usually with Resolve CPU is not the limiting factor, it's GPU. You'd have to see if your GTX 1070 is up to the specs (Blackmagic Design used to provide a configuration guide but it hasn't been updated in a while). You can have the fastest processor in the world and 70 terabytes of RAM, but Resolve won't run smoothly if your GPU isn't up to spec. See for example https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=82554 and https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=68072
In general you'd want to be editing proxy footage anyway if it's h264/h265; you don't have to "shoot" proxy, you just ask Resolve to create optimized or proxy media for you. It'll transcode it inside the program but then use the original footage for render. Nobody renders in 8K, though; you would generally render at 4k or 1080p for delivery. The 8K option is there to give you more flexibility in terms of cropping in; it's not meant for delivery.
p.1 #3 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
RAM will be a limiting factor as well, 16GB isn’t much at all for an editing station on x86-64. 32GB is the minimum for 4K and 64GB+ is recommended for 6k/8K
I agree, that system needs a GPU upgrade, for 8K I’d be wanting a 6900XT or 3080, and adding 64GB of RAM. But your 1070 is the absolute minimum for 8K capability as it has the hardware HEVC encoder/decoder and 8GB VRAM.
The CPU and SSD’s look fine, but the GPU is weak and the RAM is wildly inadequate. Also are you running the free version or the paid? GPU acceleration is reportedly only on the paid version for Windows.
p.1 #5 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
MAubrey wrote:
On the other hand, the GPU market is so bad right now that getting an M1 might be cheaper.
Haha, although for editing 8K h.264/265 in Resolve I think you'd need a pretty expensive M1, probably the Max, with at least 32 gigs of RAM.
Using optimized or proxy footage is a much better solution than editing h.264 or .265 directly. People do it to save time or storage space, but if you're not on a deadline you'll save money and have a better experience. There's a thread here that goes into the differences between optimized media and proxy media in Resolve: https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=86746
p.1 #6 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
MAubrey wrote:
On the other hand, the GPU market is so bad right now that getting an M1 might be cheaper.
It's gotten much better over the last couple months. Radeon's are widely available and some NVidia cards are finally starting to reach sane prices.
For the price of a usable M1 config (ie a 32GB Max with 2TB disk), you can realistically expect to get a 3080 or 6900XT and 64GB of RAM, and have some cash left over to look at a Ryzen 59xx upgrade.
p.1 #7 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
MAubrey wrote:
On the other hand, the GPU market is so bad right now that getting an M1 might be cheaper.
I feel like you're right. If you just want to edit the occasional 8K video then getting an expensive ~$5000 workstation with a top of the line CPU, plenty of RAM and a fat GPU isn't wise. A little Apple computer makes much more sense there.
My personal computer has everything DaVinci recommends for the best experience, but I don't do 8K editing
p.1 #8 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
First, you can set your timeline resolution to 1080p when editing for improved performance. The GPU will help with rendering when you have visual effects or adjustments. The new intel iGPUs have hardware encoding for 422 and 420 h265/HEVC and the high core count of an i9 will go a long way. Personally, I have an Alienware laptop with an i9 and a 2070 and plan to wait until fall when the new intel CPU and ndvidia 4000 series cards come out. I say that because my current machine does ok. I edit canon 8k raw and 4k HEVC, not 8k HEVC which is tougher. Even with a $2,000 CPU and a 3090, 8k playback isn't perfect. But in the fall, the new intel CPUs will improve performance to allow for better 8k playback and the 4000 series NVidia cards should be 2 times as powerful and supply chain woes should be better.
p.1 #9 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
bjhurley wrote:
Haha, although for editing 8K h.264/265 in Resolve I think you'd need a pretty expensive M1, probably the Max, with at least 32 gigs of RAM.
Using optimized or proxy footage is a much better solution than editing h.264 or .265 directly. People do it to save time or storage space, but if you're not on a deadline you'll save money and have a better experience. There's a thread here that goes into the differences between optimized media and proxy media in Resolve: https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=86746
I am not sure if a lesser machine would handle it without a hiccup, but my m1 max 32gb machine doesn't have any issues. I got rid of my home built but fairly powerful amd cpu / nvidia gpu that struggled with 8k. Haven't looked back. No more proxies. Just having to learn how to use FinalCut is the only downside...and well the cost of the new computer.... Also FinalCut handles raw video from the A1/Atomos really well, something Resolve can't do.
p.1 #10 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
timgangloff wrote:
Just having to learn how to use FinalCut is the only downside...and well the cost of the new computer.... Also FinalCut handles raw video from the A1/Atomos really well, something Resolve can't do.
Final Cut is highly optimized for Mac and should perform better than Resolve anyway. Even on my puny i5 Mac Mini with 8 gigs of RAM I can edit and color grade video in Final Cut with no problem, but I can't even run Resolve on that machine. I have a 2013 Mac Pro "trashcan" for that with 32 gigs of RAM and dual GPUs, and even that isn't always up to working with 1080p raw footage in Resolve if I have a lot of denoising or other GPU-intensive tasks. It's kind of depressing that even the entry-level M1 Mac Mini is more powerful than this old Mac Pro, for which I paid more than $5K.
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p.1 #11 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
gordonyz wrote:
Without using a proxy, my AMD 3700X can't playback in Resolve studio smoothly with 8k30 200M PP8 video. I can shoot proxy but is M1 really the solution there? Or maybe a faster CPU will handle?
Edit software: Resolve Studio
16GB RAM, X570 MB
Nvidia GTX 1070
NVME-4 SSDs
Somehow playback is smooth on my 4k screen using playback software
if you don't have the paid version of resolve it could explain why the playback software works but resolve doesn't, i'm seeing that same thing here with a 3080ti... you have to pay for resolve to get h.265 support.
p.1 #13 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
Charlie N wrote:
resolve is terrible with anything high resolution
Except things like Ursa 12K BRAW files, it handles those just fine!
I've also had no problems with Resolve handling high-resolution JPEGs or TIFFs, including some 120 megabyte high-res TIFF reproductions of fine art paintings. I'm using a 1080p timeline, though; I'll probably never do 4k.
p.1 #14 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
I am using a M1 Max Macbook Pro with 64GB Ram and 4k H.265 videomaterial with a lot of Davinci Resolve Nodes is running like a charm. Without proxies and fluently. But of course, the laptop was not cheap (almost 5000 Euro). But for my Business filming imagefilms it was necessary. I dont know if it works with a normal M1as well.
p.1 #16 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
dclark wrote:
Your link is broken.
Yes, and for some reason if I paste it from my browser it's still broken. If you do a Google search for optimized vs. proxy media you'll find it (and a few hundred other explanations for Resolve and other NLEs).
p.1 #18 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
I am the OP.. Just an update on this..
I upgraded from GTX 1070 to RTX 3070 because GPU usage for Resolve was 50%, after upgrade, nothing actually changed... I don't think upgrading to 24GB VRAM RTX 3090 will change a thing, because VRAM was loaded only to like 5-6GB out of 8GB.
The 16 GB RAM does become a bottleneck when editing / previewing, especially if timeline is 8k, but since my Ryzen works best with 3600MHz/CL16, 64GB is $400, I can pay $200 more to get from 16->32GB, or pay $270 to switch them to 64GB 3600MHz/CL18s
CPU wasn't loaded at all, so it will be good.
Editing on 8k timeline is a heavier load vs. 4k timeline. I now record an H265 proxy. I need to link the proxy files, but the editing gets so much smoother.
Edit: I was able to find 64GB 3600CL16 kit for around $400
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p.1 #19 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
but nvidia cards don't support 4:2:2, so i don't see how there is gpu decode/encode acceleration with it, the cpu is carrying much of the load.
here is a tip for those of us who aren't computer nerds: sometimes the amd(or intel) factory air cooler doesn't cool well enough to stop the cpu chip from heat throttling; dust choking the fan, needs the thermal paste replaced, not enough airflow in the case, etc.
so it's a good idea to stress-test the cpu occasionally to make sure that it can keep all threads pegged at 100% usage for a half-hour or whatever... prime95 works for the stress test, hwmonitor will show cpu utilization.
p.1 #20 · Editing A1's 8k Video, do we have to use M1? (ResolveD)
From my understanding part of what makes Apple's silicone so good at video editing isn't even that it's powerful as much as it has a dedicated ability to deal with and decode h.264/5. I can edit h.265 video pretty flawlessly on an iPad mini. On my Dell Laptop I can barely play it
