j4nu wrote:
Yes, so basically the demosaicing and denoising steps of RAW processing can be done in DxO.
PureRAW is targetted exactly towards this kind of "pre" processing (you can also enable lens correction + sharpening as shown by Fred).
The resulting DNG file can be then edited in CO or LR. AFAIR, there's no no data loss (I'm talking about actual "picture" data here, not EXIF) involved in this process (of course there are differences in demosaicing, that's why I started using DxO in the first place, as CO likes to produce black pixels in A1 files).
In PhotoLab, you can do full processing and you also have more control over the applied denoising, sharpening and lens correction (and you can still export it to DNG for further processing), compared to PureRAW....Show more →
So do you feel it is worth the extra 40 some dollars to get DXO's Photolab 5 over just DXO's PureRaw ?
My work flow is Capture One 20 (probably will purchase Capture One 22) then Photoshop CS 6 to finish and print.
PL Photo wrote:
So do you feel it is worth the extra 40 some dollars to get DXO's Photolab 5 over just DXO's PureRaw ?
My work flow is Capture One 20 (probably will purchase Capture One 22) then Photoshop CS 6 to finish and print.
It's kinda difficult for me to answer this question...
If you just want better denoising then PureRAW will be completely sufficient.
If you want to try something new, then maybe give the PL trial a go before the 50% promotion runs out.
I mean, there are things that I prefer in CO (like highlights/shadow recovery, color controls, support for embedded lens correction), but I also like what I get from PL so...
j4nu wrote:
It's kinda difficult for me to answer this question...
If you just want better denoising then PureRAW will be completely sufficient.
If you want to try something new, then maybe give the PL trial a go before the 50% promotion runs out.
I mean, there are things that I prefer in CO (like highlights/shadow recovery, color controls, support for embedded lens correction), but I also like what I get from PL so...
I guess the question should have been.....can I do the same thing with PL as I could with PureRaw and then send it through Capture One ? Gaining the possibility of other options with PL......I like CO very much but would like to see DXO's conversions. If I can do the same with PL as PureRaw $109 is pretty reasonable.
PL Photo wrote:
I guess the question should have been.....can I do the same thing with PL as I could with PureRaw and then send it through Capture One ? Gaining the possibility of other options with PL......I like CO very much but would like to see DXO's conversions. If I can do the same with PL as PureRaw $109 is pretty reasonable.
Yes, you can do the same in PL, with even more control over the denoising parameters:
Edit: DxO PhotoLab ELITE!
I keep forgetting there is also the essential version, sorry!
PL Photo wrote:
I guess the question should have been.....can I do the same thing with PL as I could with PureRaw and then send it through Capture One ? Gaining the possibility of other options with PL......I like CO very much but would like to see DXO's conversions. If I can do the same with PL as PureRaw $109 is pretty reasonable.
Not sure if this helps or may cause more of a headache. Here's my workflow... with utilizing PureRaw
Launch Captureone to create a new session; close C1
Copy images off the card into the CaptureOne capture folder
PhotoMechanic to cull and ingest images from the Capture folder to Selects
Images in Selects gets processed through PureRaw
Launch C1 to let it build the previews
Edit the PureRaw DNG's in C1
Export from C1
Excellent Thank you both......this is what I was wondering. If I can use PL as I would PureRaw, but just have more options at the price right now it seems worth it. Thank you again
I have all the software products under discussion: DxO PureRAW, DxO Photolab 5, Topaz DeNoise, & ON1 NoNoise.
My preferred tool for noise reduction/elimination is DxO Photolab 5 with its magic DeepPrime technology. In my opinion and experience it beats all the other brands. DxO Pure RAW uses the same technology but with DxO Photolab 5 you have far better control and options for additional corrections before porting over the dng file to ACR/Photoshop.
Understandably, there are different protocols for image import and postprocessing which suit different needs. I do all postprocessing, including DeepPRIME denoising, in DxO Photolab 5, then export the images as TIFF files. Topaz DeNoise works as my default JPG generator, regardless of residual noise, using Low Light - Auto and, in most cases, quality = 7.
erekose wrote:
May you kindly share the correct command syntax to remove the trailing 'a' from the Model field - I do not (still) have one of the new cameras but tried tinkering with an A7R II raw file Model field without success :-(
Someone posted the command recently but I did not save it.
I use ExifToolGUI. I muddled my way to success:
(Windows 10)
Download exiftool. Put exiftool.exe in Windows directory. (not exiftool(-k).exe)
Download ExiftoolGUI and install.
LBJ2 wrote:
I'm using both DXO Photolab 5 and the latest Topaz DeNoise for denoise processing. As others have commented Topaz is now recommending a different approach to processing RAW files for noise processing and I think this may result in better noise processing then how I was doing it previously. BUT I've never had complaints about Topaz DeNoise since I started using it.
LR is my main editing app and that's not going to change any time soon, but I do use DXO Photolab 5 particularly when I want to get into tight areas ( no layers needed) and do a lot of spot editing to include adding spot micro contrast when I need/want. Photolab's Local Adjustment tool is worth the price of admission for this alone IMO. Even more so when on offer like it is now.
Yes Topaz does have a new process. It advertises that using it Adobe and Colour profiles will be available back in LrC. It works for Sony files but not for Canon so it kinda defeats the purpose for me. Not sure about other camera manufacturers. For me all those extra steps aren't worth it. I'm going back to right click, TIFF and edit with LrC adjustments.
PureRaw under exposes and saturates files sent back to LrC. Someone in this thread mentioned reds are a little hot. I see this too and I don't like it. I don't want to mess around and try and match the original file. I just want it to do its job, remove noise. DeNoise is bang on.
I also have NoNoise which I have not used for quite a while. I see there is an update. I'l try it tomorrow. Can't remember why I stopped using it. Might have been artifacts on high ISO files.
IMO DXO wins in high ISO and troublesome files. For average files they all have their strengths and weaknesses. For now I like Topaz. Seems like all of them outdo each other in certain areas - depending on the file.
eyal wrote:
Do all of these require use of a DNG file? I still favor keeping raws in LRc
Also, any favorites if talking about sports and/or portraits rather than birds/animals?
Yes they do. No matter what you use it will come back to LrC as a DNG, TIFF or PSD. We have Topaz, DXO and ON1 NoNoise. Hopefully Adobe buys one of these or gets up to speed in this area with its own AI. NR Sensei. It would be a game changer.
Zenon Char wrote:
PureRaw under exposes and saturates files sent back to LrC. Someone in this thread mentioned reds are a little hot. I see this too and I don't like it. I don't want to mess around and try and match the original file. I just want it to do its job, remove noise.
This is an issue that has been discussed in earlier threads on the Post Processing forum.
When you port the file from DxO to ACR or Lr, DxO does not retain the original colour profile. Therefore, the colours will look a bit off. You have to get into the profile tab and re-select your colour profile. Especially salient if you have custom profiles made for specific camera bodies.
