p.9 #1 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Ok thanks for the level set
I will be handling a Z9 this week and can compare with the A1 - good buddy of mine is un charge of Sony Pro service in France past few years - he used to do the same job at Nikon before hehe, and as he knows I’m still with Nikon is curious to see what I think !
p.9 #2 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
mholdef wrote:
Ok thanks for the level set
I will be handling a Z9 this week and can compare with the A1 - good buddy of mine is un charge of Sony Pro service in France past few years - he used to do the same job at Nikon before hehe, and as he knows I’m still with Nikon is curious to see what I think !
Why not hand that Z9 over to Geoff for a proper AF test? He has the skill to push it against his A1
p.9 #4 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
EdwardDye wrote:
That sounds really great, have you tried the 2 cameras side by side? I don't really care about the other stuff with cameras, AF performance means everything to me, I will sell my 2 A1 to buy 2 Z9 if the AF performance is better on the Z9 to a level that I can easily tell the difference when shooting the 2 cameras side by side, so the question is can the Z9 deliver?
You shoot weddings? In that case selling your two A1s for Z9 wouldn't be wise, given how great the A1 already is, you would just loose a lot of money and for what? AF of the A1 is already overkill for weddings.
p.9 #5 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
DSLR's not having a future and DSLR's being dead are two completely different things.
Also, from over in the other hemisphere, most of us agree Trump was less dangerous than the incoherent fool that donated a billion dollars of weapons to a terrorist group when he said, in 2008, how bad that would be (I'm old, but I have a working memory).
Sony don't have a full line-up of long lenses like Nikon do, for instance, no PF & no 800.
Again, no 8K60 planned as Nikon has promised.
So, there are two very usable points of difference for the system, especially if you're shooting video or need 800 with native AF performance.
p.9 #6 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Holger wrote:
You shoot weddings? In that case selling your two A1s for Z9 wouldn't be wise, given how great the A1 already is, you would just loose a lot of money and for what? AF of the A1 is already overkill for weddings.
He'd gain 8K60p.
People keep forgetting how powerful that is. Slow motion that's future proofed. The A1's slow motion is, in comparison to what the Z9 promises (yes I understand it hasn't got it yet), years behind.
Especially for weddings, future proofing to an extent is important.
Imagine watching 8K slow motion on your 8K TV in 10 years compared to 4K. I know what I'd want my photographer to be shooting with (i.e. the greatest hybrid, not the second best).
Nov 09, 2021 at 03:01 AM
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p.9 #7 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Bob_S wrote:
He'd gain 8K60p.
People keep forgetting how powerful that is. Slow motion that's future proofed. The A1's slow motion is, in comparison to what the Z9 promises (yes I understand it hasn't got it yet), years behind.
Especially for weddings, future proofing to an extent is important.
Imagine watching 8K slow motion on your 8K TV in 10 years compared to 4K. I know what I'd want my photographer to be shooting with (i.e. the greatest hybrid, not the second best).
Everyone who wants to watch their wedding video at HALF SPEED please like this post.
And 60p is not slow motion, 240fps or 480+fps (i.e 10x or 20+x) is slow motion.
Oh and be sure to put that wedding on hold until sometime next year.
p.9 #8 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Lol
I’m also friends with a Sony Ambassador who shoots sports with the A1 (skiing, rugby, wildlife), so have a good sense of what it can do. Amazing camera
Maxxus46 wrote:
Why not hand that Z9 over to Geoff for a proper AF test? He has the skill to push it against his A1
p.9 #9 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Bob_S wrote:
He'd gain 8K60p.
People keep forgetting how powerful that is. Slow motion that's future proofed. The A1's slow motion is, in comparison to what the Z9 promises (yes I understand it hasn't got it yet), years behind.
Especially for weddings, future proofing to an extent is important.
Imagine watching 8K slow motion on your 8K TV in 10 years compared to 4K. I know what I'd want my photographer to be shooting with (i.e. the greatest hybrid, not the second best).
8k60p is irrelevant for weddings for a long time in my opinion. We work with many many videographers, all still use HD. The amount of data and time to post process is incredible and some need a year to deliver the content to the client already now.
Personally, I won't buy an 8k TV. It is not even clear that this will be standard in 10 years. I am the only one among all my friends and relatives having a 4k TV (where only a tiny amount of content is in 4k at all). And given the distance from it when watching Netflix etc. I really don't see a big benefit of 4k already. I don't think I would see 8k benefit at all. People won't have the space to buy super huge TVs, either. You might disagree, which is your right of course.
p.9 #12 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Holger wrote:
8k60p is irrelevant for weddings for a long time in my opinion. We work with many many videographers, all still use HD. The amount of data and time to post process is incredible and some need a year to deliver the content to the client already now.
Personally, I won't buy an 8k TV. It is not even clear that this will be standard in 10 years. I am the only one among all my friends and relatives having a 4k TV (where only a tiny amount of content is in 4k at all). And given the distance from it when watching Netflix etc. I really don't see a big benefit of 4k already. I don't think I would see 8k benefit at all. People won't have the space to buy super huge TVs, either. You might disagree, which is your right of course. ...Show more →
In some countries, 4K is standard and 8K is becoming normal. I'm not uncommon in my circles and I haven't had an HD TV for years.
I just got my 8K (mostly to check our 8K productions) and if the input is clean, it's a world away from the 4K with 4K input.
Of course 8K is next, there are 8K offerings from every major brand and no 6 or 12K (that I can find).
More resolution in a display is absolutely the next step for millions, so having 8K footage now will be useful.
It's like saying 8mp stills is OK 5 years ago. If I'm paying (as much as we do in this country) for a wedding 'tog, I don't want second best, I want them to have the latest gear for the best output that wont look old in just 5 short years.
And yes, most wedding photographers cut in some slow motion, which is usually ~60p in a 24/25p timeline and your output has to be the resolution of the lowest resolution footage you're cutting in, upscaling the 4K to 8K will look like it.
Nov 09, 2021 at 04:45 AM
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p.9 #13 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Bob_S wrote:
Just to confirm, you're claiming 60p (in, for example, a 24p timeline) isn't slow motion?
Technically yes of course it is slow motion, but 120fps (1/4 speed) is the baseline for slow motion for sports action replays, etc. and 240, 480 or 960(super slow mo) fps are better for slow motion for wildlife, science etc. ;-)
Nothing wrong with 60p for nice smooth playback on your 60/120Hz display though so if you want to claim future proofing for that I can see the benefit. :-)
Nov 09, 2021 at 04:59 AM
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p.9 #14 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Bob_S wrote:
In some countries, 4K is standard and 8K is becoming normal. I'm not uncommon in my circles and I haven't had an HD TV for years.
I just got my 8K (mostly to check our 8K productions) and if the input is clean, it's a world away from the 4K with 4K input.
Of course 8K is next, there are 8K offerings from every major brand and no 6 or 12K (that I can find).
More resolution in a display is absolutely the next step for millions, so having 8K footage now will be useful.
It's like saying 8mp stills is OK 5 years ago. If I'm paying (as much as we do in this country) for a wedding 'tog, I don't want second best, I want them to have the latest gear for the best output that wont look old in just 5 short years.
And yes, most wedding photographers cut in some slow motion, which is usually ~60p in a 24/25p timeline and your output has to be the resolution of the lowest resolution footage you're cutting in, upscaling the 4K to 8K will look like it....Show more →
p.9 #16 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
duncang wrote:
Technically yes of course it is slow motion, but 120fps (1/4 speed) is the baseline for slow motion for sports action replays, etc. and 240, 480 or 960(super slow mo) fps are better for slow motion for wildlife, science etc. ;-)
Nothing wrong with 60p for nice smooth playback on your 60/120Hz display though so if you want to claim future proofing for that I can see the benefit. :-)
We we're talking about weddings, 60p to 24/25p is the standard for non athletic people movement.
Now that we're back on track, the 8K60p is a point of difference Sony don't have.
The long lens are another.
I'm a Sony guy, but you have to admit, that's two major upsides just there to the Z9 for at least two different types of subjects.
Let's be fair here, Nikon has some benefits in the Z9, Sony may answer those soon (A1ii)?
p.9 #17 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
duncang wrote:
You're this client - just replace Canon with Z9
Ain't going to watch all that.
You do know I'm a Sony shooter, right?
I'm also brand agnostic and I can give credit to another brand for having a great product, I don't have any vested interest in any brand and I'm not silly enough to double down on a bad idea because I am loyal to any brand.
Yet again, the Z9 has abilities the A1 doesn't, it's not as good in some areas too. But pretending the A1 is better in every way is objectively wrong and pretending that's not true isn't bright.
p.9 #19 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
The A1 is actually has more power under the hood than a Z9... That's why it can push 50mpx 30FPS RAW and Z9 only 45mpx Jpegs at 30FPS. Z9 couldnt do this because if it could, Nikon would surely have added it instead of jpegs. If Sony wants to add 8k60 they can do this through firmware (just like Nikon plans to do!)
p.9 #20 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Maybe, maybe not
As long as you are happy with what you have, all is good
The z9 is a beautiful looking (highly subjective) camera and pre order numbers are high. Good for Nikon. The a1 is more powerful and has most (and more) of the z9s features already, in a much more compact design. Good for Sony. At $1000 less, the z9 took some cuts of course. And competition is good for us consumers.
