p.10 #1 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Maxxus46 wrote:
The A1 is actually has more power under the hood than a Z9... That's why it can push 50mpx 30FPS RAW and Z9 only 45mpx Jpegs at 30FPS. Z9 couldnt do this because if it could, Nikon would surely have added it instead of jpegs. If Sony wants to add 8k60 they can do this through firmware (just like Nikon plans to do!)
You're sure Sony can add that feature through firmware and didn't do it because, actually why didn't they do it, it's not like it's the flagship cam... wait...
p.10 #2 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Not sure if your new here, but Geoff is a highly skilled pro on FM... Donate your Z9 to him for a proper break in that way we can see what the Z9 will bring from an auto focus perspective... Doubt it has caught up to A1 but we will soon find out
p.10 #3 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Maxxus46 wrote:
Not sure if your new here, but Geoff is a highly skilled pro on FM... Donate your Z9 to him for a proper break in that way we can see what the Z9 will bring from an auto focus perspective... Doubt it has caught up to A1 but we will soon find out
p.10 #6 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
So it begins.
This kind of BS was inevitable I suppose.
I wouldn't put too much stock in that at this point. All the rumor sites are just that, rumors and so not reliable. The SonyAlphaRumors.com site is the least reliable from what I have seen.
I am not drawing any conclusions on this without solid evidence. Even then, I question the importance to photographers of who makes the sensor.
p.10 #7 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Overall I am very happy for Nikon users, to finally have a competitive MILC camera to A9ii/A1 and R3.
I am very happy for Sony users, including me, too. Due to competition I expect all three to push along with steam to try to leapfrog the competition (if only until the competitor brings out the next body).
We benefit, too, in the long term. Who knows, new firmware updates are possibly prepared right now, looking forward to what happens.
p.10 #8 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
1bwana1 wrote:
So it begins.
This kind of BS was inevitable I suppose.
I wouldn't put too much stock in that at this point. All the rumor sites are just that, rumors and so not reliable. The SonyAlphaRumors.com site is the least reliable from what I have seen.
I am not drawing any conclusions on this without solid evidence. Even then, I question the importance to photographers of who makes the sensor.
It would explain somewhat why an over size sensor ( 51 mpix) was used in the Z9...I wonder what the original sensor was designed for, maybe an earlier A1?
p.10 #9 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
I think I have to put a clarification in here. A1 and Z9 are both headed in the wrong direction.
The Leica M10M is obviously much superior in all matters that count. Really good manual focus; first class resolution (probably slightly ahead of my A7rIV), definitely better high ISO performance, smaller than the A1 and much smaller than the Z9, works just as well with third party lenses (of which there may be a thousand) as with OEM lenses, a much clearer, higher resolution view through the finder with _NO_ lag or blackout, a menu system that is as clear and intuitive as you can get, etc.
Yes, the AF is rather sketchy and the fps aren't that great, but on most days, this camera is my preferred companion and I'm sticking to that. Oh, and the system tends to suck the money right out of your pocket.
p.10 #10 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Henning wrote:
I think I have to put a clarification in here. A1 and Z9 are both headed in the wrong direction.
The Leica M10M is obviously much superior in all matters that count. Really good manual focus; first class resolution (probably slightly ahead of my A7rIV), definitely better high ISO performance, smaller than the A1 and much smaller than the Z9, works just as well with third party lenses (of which there may be a thousand) as with OEM lenses, a much clearer, higher resolution view through the finder with _NO_ lag or blackout, a menu system that is as clear and intuitive as you can get, etc.
Yes, the AF is rather sketchy and the fps aren't that great, but on most days, this camera is my preferred companion and I'm sticking to that. Oh, and the system tends to suck the money right out of your pocket.
"The Leica M10M is obviously much superior in all matters that count"
I correct it:
"The Leica M10M is obviously much superior in all matters that count _for me_"
I like color images. Not that easy with the M10M.
Normally using a monochrome sensor should give you 1-1.5 stops advantage. The Leica falls short a bit, here.
p.10 #11 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
NonDecaf wrote:
And you inserted your own preference for smaller cameras. I'm not a review channel. Everybody here is presenting their own perspective and opinions for their own needs. Heck, half the opinions on auto-focus on this forum seem to come from people interested in shooting birds - not exactly something most sports/action shooters care about. Now I personally am not bothered by it, and I do think that there is a lot of value in their opinion too.
Sony/Nikon/Canon/Panasonic/Fuji and dozens of third-parties all invest time and money and engineering resources into a product that nobody wants. Maybe they know their market more than you - just something to consider.
One of the the major selling points of an sports/action camera is FPS , along with fast, accurate focusing, etc. You're beating the drum on third-party lenses when there are none that can actually take advantage of the A1's speed. This is an (AFAIK) artificial limitation imposed by Sony. Not very open of them. This comparison is A1 vs Z9, not A7R vs Z7....Show more →
1. I didn't though. The product is the A1. A small, lightweight camera. I didn't make it such. You simply decided to add on an accessory and pretend that that should be the default comparison. It isn't.
2. Companies make accessories that few people use. This is nothing new. Sony literally labels small and lightweight as one of their 5 key focuses and designs. Selling a product doesn't automatically make it a best seller.
The idea that companies know 100% what they are doing simply ignores reality. Olympus, after 100 years of photography, was forced to sell their division. Nikon used to own half the market and are now down to 16%. Markets change, audience changes, technology changes. Do you think Sony, who walked in from nowhere and knocked down Nikon, whom the AP is using exclusively, is wrong? It seems to me like they are doing everything right and you simply want to cling to the old ways.
3. I think comparing 20fps in raw files for the Z9 vs 15 fps raw files on the A9 or A1 is an insignificant difference.
4. Cameras are generally not used for only one single purpose, and this makes 3rd party native lenses absolutely relevant.
p.10 #12 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
timgangloff wrote:
Weight distribution is irrelevant if Sony doesn't offer a 300 2.8, a 120-300 2.8 or a 500f4. And probably even more important than weight distribution is price. It doesn't matter if a newer tech Sony lens has better balance if 90%of the sports shooters I know can't afford the 400 2.8.
Those lenses do not have a native solution in Z. They have adapted. Can they not be adapted to the Sony too if desperate for those specific lenses?
I am sorry your friends can't afford some gear. I don't see how that is relevant though. You could just stick with dslrs altogether if price consciousness is important to you or your friends. Best bet for someone price sensitive is to just stick to a used d850 and used lenses.
Luckily, Sony DOES have over 115 native autofocus lenses and countless manual ones, of all focal lengths from 9mm to 600, of all prices, sizes, and weights.
p.10 #13 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
shadow9d9 wrote:
1. I didn't though. The product is the A1. A small, lightweight camera. I didn't make it such. You simply decided to add on an accessory and pretend that that should be the default comparison. It isn't.
2. Companies make accessories that few people use. This is nothing new. Sony literally labels small and lightweight as one of their 5 key focuses and designs. Selling a product doesn't automatically make it a best seller.
The idea that companies know 100% what they are doing simply ignores reality. Olympus, after 100 years of photography, was forced to sell their division. Nikon used to own half the market and are now down to 16%. Markets change, audience changes, technology changes. Do you think Sony, who walked in from nowhere and knocked down Nikon, whom the AP is using exclusively, is wrong? It seems to me like they are doing everything right and you simply want to cling to the old ways.
3. I think comparing 20fps in raw files for the Z9 vs 15 fps raw files on the A9 or A1 is an insignificant difference.
4. Cameras are generally not used for only one single purpose, and this makes 3rd party native lenses absolutely relevant....Show more →
Okay, no point arguing, its just a camera. I'll let you have the last word
p.10 #14 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Holger wrote:
"The Leica M10M is obviously much superior in all matters that count"
I correct it:
"The Leica M10M is obviously much superior in all matters that count _for me_"
I like color images. Not that easy with the M10M.
Normally using a monochrome sensor should give you 1-1.5 stops advantage. The Leica falls short a bit, here.
1. You clearly didn't see (or understand) the smilies.
2. I have and have used extensively 8 different brands of digital cameras, and many models of each over the last 20+ years, and I seriously doubt that you have more experience with monochrome sensors, especially combined with other manufacturers' colour sensors than I have, so I'll discount that last part of your response.
As far as the main discussion goes: both the Z9 and A1 seem to be excellent cameras and while neither appeals to me right now, choosing one or the other would seem to me to depend on what my current system is and how satisfied I am with that, what very specific features I feel are important right now and especially in view of all these many posts, how emotionally attached I'm to one brand or the other.
Choose what makes you happy. Trade in and get something else if you believe happiness lies there. If you feel you need to justify the choice by picking at (relative) nits, do so but do it with your eyes open.
p.10 #15 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
I don't think there is such thing as overkill, I mean if Z9 AF better it AF better if Z9 doesn't AF better it doesn't, if it AF about the same then there is no way I will change, I'm super happy with A1's AF, but you never know... the Nikon people are keep saying how amazing the Z9 AF is, but no one has done a real side by side yet. A great camera is a great camera, I really don't care about what brand it is, which a lot people have a hard time doing so.
Holger wrote:
You shoot weddings? In that case selling your two A1s for Z9 wouldn't be wise, given how great the A1 already is, you would just loose a lot of money and for what? AF of the A1 is already overkill for weddings.
p.10 #16 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
I really dont think its possible for the AF on the Z9 to end up being better than the A1. All Z-mount lenses are using stepping motors, including the new 100-400. The best of their F mount lenses will likely be better than the Z lenses as they are using ring USM drives.
But they will not be as fast or as quiet as the A1 paired with a Sony lens with XD linear motors or even older direct drive linear motors.
That isnt to say it wont be amazing, it certainly will be amazing. It will almost certainly not be better.
p.10 #17 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
LBJ2 wrote:
For anyone interested in camera technology it would be hard not to investigate/compare the newly announced Nikon Z9 with the January 27, 2021 announced Sony A1 IMO. For those of you like me interested in a quick compare, I believe this may be one of the best articles I've encountered so far:
p.10 #18 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
EdwardDye wrote:
I don't think there is such thing as overkill, I mean if Z9 AF better it AF better if Z9 doesn't AF better it doesn't, if it AF about the same then there is no way I will change, I'm super happy with A1's AF, but you never know... the Nikon people are keep saying how amazing the Z9 AF is, but no one has done a real side by side yet. A great camera is a great camera, I really don't care about what brand it is, which a lot people have a hard time doing so.
I think for some use cases it is better to care about other things giving you more "value", like more interesting images, compositions, use of light etc.
Even if Z9 AF would be better, after having tested that as scientifically as possibly, I bet it wouldn't make a big impact on a typical wedding, where A1 AF _is_ usually overkill. We don't shoot super fast and tiny moving birds at 30fps.
It is your money of course, however, from my point of view switching is just loosing money and silly at this point giving the quality the A1 offers.
p.10 #19 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Henning wrote:
1. You clearly didn't see (or understand) the smilies.
2. I have and have used extensively 8 different brands of digital cameras, and many models of each over the last 20+ years, and I seriously doubt that you have more experience with monochrome sensors, especially combined with other manufacturers' colour sensors than I have, so I'll discount that last part of your response.
As far as the main discussion goes: both the Z9 and A1 seem to be excellent cameras and while neither appeals to me right now, choosing one or the other would seem to me to depend on what my current system is and how satisfied I am with that, what very specific features I feel are important right now and especially in view of all these many posts, how emotionally attached I'm to one brand or the other.
Choose what makes you happy. Trade in and get something else if you believe happiness lies there. If you feel you need to justify the choice by picking at (relative) nits, do so but do it with your eyes open....Show more →
2. That is physics, you can calculate the improvement you gain by using a monochrome sensor. https://www.red.com/red-101/color-monochrome-camera-sensors No need to have used many other models (by the way, others used many camera brands and models, too)
Yes, everybody should use what makes him/her happy. It should be just made clear, that it is always a personal decision, I missed that personal point of view in your previous post. I don't need to justify a choice, additionally. It pays for itself.
p.10 #20 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
shadow9d9 wrote:
... Sony, who walked in from nowhere and knocked down Nikon...
A minor point, but Sony didn't walk in from nowhere. The alpha ILC cameras were developed from their 2006 purchase of Konica Minolta' s SLR camera business. Konica Minolta's roots go back to 1928 (Minolta) and 1873 (Konica).
that way we can see what the Z9 will bring from an auto focus perspective... Doubt it has caught up to A1 but we will soon find out 