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p.8 #1 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


RoamingScott wrote:
If it’s anything like the Sony you’ll need around f/10 at mfd to get any appreciable depth of field.



Absolutely, dof is paper thin wide open. I’m pretty sure mfd is around 2.5 feet, not sure what the sony is but this thing gets pretty dang close for what it is.

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Dec 18, 2021 at 03:45 PM
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p.8 #2 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Kasper6188 wrote:
Absolutely, dof is paper thin wide open. I’m pretty sure mfd is around 2.5 feet, not sure what the sony is but this thing gets pretty dang close for what it is.

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I guess, 2.5ft is at 100mm.
Did you try at 400mm, how does it compare to short end MFD, I mean magnification, and focus breathing, especially at 400mm?



Dec 18, 2021 at 03:55 PM
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p.8 #3 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


cvrle59 wrote:
I guess, 2.5ft is at 100mm.
Did you try at 400mm, how does it compare to short end MFD?


I just set it up and measured 28" to sensor plane at 100mm and 38" at 400mm. This was in MF mode, not sure if you lose a little distance with the Z lenses in AF mode like you do with F mount glass.




Dec 18, 2021 at 04:06 PM
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p.8 #4 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


MFD is .75m per their press release. Sony is .98m

The above mentioned 38” doesn’t jive with the press release touting it as having an industry leading MFD. interesting.

cvrle59 wrote:
I guess, 2.5ft is at 100mm.
Did you try at 400mm, how does it compare to short end MFD, I mean magnification, and focus breathing, especially at 400mm?




Dec 18, 2021 at 04:08 PM
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p.8 #5 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


RoamingScott wrote:
MFD is .75m per their press release. Sony is .98m

The above mentioned 38” doesn’t jive with the press release touting it as having an industry leading MFD. interesting.



Seems it beats the sony by 1/2” at 400mm. Pretty small margin.




Dec 18, 2021 at 04:16 PM
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Kasper6188 wrote:
I just set it up and measured 28" to sensor plane at 100mm and 38" at 400mm. This was in MF mode, not sure if you lose a little distance with the Z lenses in AF mode like you do with F mount glass.



I would be surprised if there is difference between MF and AF. MF is focus by wire, not mechanical like F-mount lenses, it basically uses the same system, just different activation method.



Dec 18, 2021 at 04:17 PM
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p.8 #7 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Those of us not NPS any idea when we could expect the 100-400??


Dec 18, 2021 at 08:33 PM
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p.8 #8 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Ryan74 wrote:
Those of us not NPS any idea when we could expect the 100-400??


Mine shipped Friday. I will get it monday. I am not nps.



Dec 18, 2021 at 08:34 PM
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p.8 #9 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Ryan74 wrote:
Those of us not NPS any idea when we could expect the 100-400??


I preordered 100-400mm within a few hours on day one from a small/medium sized USA dealer, it shipped a couple days ago to me and I’ll have it this Tuesday. Not NPS.

Another non-NPS forum member who did not preorder said he called around yesterday and found one available and is getting it Monday.



Dec 18, 2021 at 08:55 PM
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p.8 #10 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Ryan74 wrote:
Those of us not NPS any idea when we could expect the 100-400??


I'm a loyal non NPS customer, my local dealer called me to ask if I wanted one before they put it in their inventory. They are out to to be had if you're lucky



Dec 18, 2021 at 09:35 PM
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p.8 #11 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


I put my name down with our local store 2 days ago
I am apparent only #5 on the list for the 100-400
Heck I don't even need it, but everyone's doing it, so
Pushing my luck, I asked about getting on the z9 list
The guy said "Oh that list is much much longer"



Dec 18, 2021 at 09:40 PM
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saaketham wrote:
I put my name down with our local store 2 days ago
I am apparent only #5 on the list for the 100-400
Heck I don't even need it, but everyone's doing it, so
Pushing my luck, I asked about getting on the z9 list
The guy said "Oh that list is much much longer"


What did you do because everyone is doing it?



Dec 18, 2021 at 10:12 PM
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p.8 #13 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Put my name on the 100-400 waiting list
Just to see how long it will take 🧟‍♂️

gdsf2 wrote:
What did you do because everyone is doing it?




Dec 18, 2021 at 10:13 PM
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p.8 #14 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Brad Hill started Z9 gallery. There is one image for now, and some comment about his experience with Z9/100-400 combo.
http://www.naturalart.ca/galleries/collections/Z9/index.html
I picked this part of his comment, it sounds interesting for this thread.

"Of course, the successful operation of ANY AF system is dependent not only on the camera...the speed of the lens's AF also plays a big role. And I can assure everyone reading this that if you're wondering about how fast the AF is on the new Nikkor 100-400mm f4.5.5.6S is...well...you've got nothing to worry about! After shooting thousands and thousands of action shots with the Z 9 plus 100-400mm f4.5-5.6S (mostly of dogs going nuts!) I can say that the AF of the lens itself seems as fast as anything I've ever shot with (including very fast prime lenses). I haven't done serious action shooting with the 100-400 yet when it's combined with either the 1.4x or 2x Z-mount teleconverters, but at least anecdotally the AF seems quite snappy with those TC's in use. I will be putting in some effort to test just how well its AF system works as soon as I can.

As a final comment...in my mind the combination of the Z 9 and the 100-400mm lens elevates Nikon's Z system to a truly professional flagship level. The overall performance of the Z 9 is far and away above that of the excellent D6...plus it's simply a more versatile camera. And the optical and AF performance of the 100-400 matches that of virtually any zoom lens on the market (at any price). Exciting times!"



Dec 18, 2021 at 10:43 PM
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p.8 #15 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Another overcast high iso 100-400 shot. Should have a little sun tomorrow so I can post some better examples.

Crane shenanagins




Dec 18, 2021 at 10:56 PM
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p.8 #16 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


cvrle59 wrote:
Brad Hill started Z9 gallery. There is one image for now, and some comment about his experience with Z9/100-400 combo.
http://www.naturalart.ca/galleries/collections/Z9/index.html
I picked this part of his comment, it sounds interesting for this thread.

"Of course, the successful operation of ANY AF system is dependent not only on the camera...the speed of the lens's AF also plays a big role. And I can assure everyone reading this that if you're wondering about how fast the AF is on the new Nikkor 100-400mm f4.5.5.6S is...well...you've got nothing to worry about! After shooting thousands and thousands of action shots with the Z 9 plus 100-400mm
...Show more

Omg! I am glad I did order it. I was hesitating between the 100-400 or 200-600 but since I already have a 600mm f4 and I tried to not use tc, the 100-400 was a better fit.



Dec 19, 2021 at 12:12 AM
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p.8 #17 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Since I am a cheap bastard and wanted to save the tax I ordered with B&H a couple of hours after it became available. No word of shipment yet but I guess that is the price of saving around $200. B&H is showing estimated ship date of 12/21-23 for orders placed today, so it seems there is plenty of supply coming right before the end of the year

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Dec 19, 2021 at 12:39 AM
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p.8 #18 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


saaketham wrote:
Put my name on the 100-400 waiting list
Just to see how long it will take 🧟‍♂️



I thought you were tired of the hype and wanted to be more rational in your purchasing decisions...and were going back to a DSLR??



Dec 19, 2021 at 12:40 AM
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p.8 #19 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


You are correct. If I don't get the z9 by mid Jan.
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Dec 19, 2021 at 05:17 AM
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p.8 #20 · Nikon Z 100-400S discussion thread


Hello,
The following is the first of what will likely be many field reports about the 100-400S lens. I'd like to begin with (1) Background info (2) Lens Info, & close with (3) In the field thoughts.

(1)Background: I am a wildlife and landscape nature photographer. Some years I focus on landscapes more than wildlife, in other years it is the reverse. The focus is often situational. If I have travel that is landscape heavy, or the local light and weather conditions support landscapes, then I do this more than wildlife. The reverse, of course, is true as well. My last two years have been more focused on wildlife.
I began with film in the 1980's and adopted digital late (2004 or so). I am late to embracing a mirrorless only system, but have recently sold my last DSLR, and now have only 2 F-mount lenses remaining. I will not get a Z9 unless I find a way to leverage gear sales to buy one. My wife and I both shoot (me way more than she), and we have a gripped Z7II, gripped Z6II (mine), Z7, and Z6II (hers).
I spent 2014-2021 shooting primarily with the 200-400VR on a D500, Z6, & Z6II and have used the 500PF since its introduction acquiring it in October 2018 via NPS.
I leveraged my NPS membership to pre-order that lens, and did the same for the current 100-400S.

(2)Lens Info: I received notification from NPS that my lens was shipped on Wednesday and picked up my lens from West Photo on Saturday 12/18. They told me that they received 6 lenses. This suggests that Nikon was prepared to send out more than a few, as MN has a relatively small population with 2 brick and mortar stores.
I own the 70-200S w/ ZTC14 and use these two regularly on my Z6II. The 100-400S was purchased to replace my prior 200-400, as well as the 70-200 + 1.4x, as the latter was used as the tweener between my 24-70s and 500PF. I will probably mate the 100-400 to the Z6II and it will do about 50% of my wildlife and landscape photography.
The lens build is outstanding with really nice construction that reminds me of my 70-200S. It has the same fit and finish, and the zoom ring is very smooth. However, you need to apply more pressure to move than zoom ring than with the 70-200S or my now sold 200-400. Unless I am working from a tripod, I will not be able to use one finger to move the zoom. When zooming, the lens does not extent much, and I cannot feel a shift in balance. This is an amazing feature. While the lens feels solid, it does not feel as massive as the 70-200S... it actually has a bit of a hollow feel. My wife commented that it felt light to her.

(3) In the field: Today is Sunday and I picked up the lens on Saturday following a call from West. The morning was pure ugly with cold overcast skies. It was 12 degrees F with a cold wind, and I really did not want to shoot, as I recognized that the conditions were bleak. Despite my hesitancy, I went to e regular spot where I knew I'd find trumpeter swans.
I used the Z6II and wide area AF with animal recognition. I found that the AF was snappy on my Z6II, and follow focus was better than I expected. I found the AF to be better than when using my 500PF on my Z7II. I shot the two side-by-side in similar situations. The Z7II + 500PF took longer to lock onto subjects and almost never recognized the animal (that is.. no box within the wide area af rectangle). In contrast, the 100-400 used the second box and even eye-AF from time to time. This was not expected, but as I think about it,... this makes sense. The lens was designed for the mirrorless platform and probably has hardware and software that allows it to communicate with the cameras more efficiently.
Optically, the lens seems to be excellent, but I will reserve my judgement on this for now.
Below are two images from the frigid shoot.

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