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p.11 #1 · p.11 #1 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


There are reasons to pick the EF 16-35 F4 L IS, but low distortion at 16 mm is not one of them, as it is actually quite high.


Oct 28, 2021 at 08:19 AM
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p.11 #2 · p.11 #2 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


I am not sure I had any distortion:-)


Oct 28, 2021 at 08:39 AM
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p.11 #3 · p.11 #3 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


Anyone has a good sun bust at F16 or F22? I would like to see the different between 14-35 and 15-35mm.


Nov 02, 2021 at 12:54 AM
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p.11 #4 · p.11 #4 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


Some shots from this weekend.

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Nov 02, 2021 at 06:17 AM
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p.11 #5 · p.11 #5 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


Fantastic landscape lens... super sharp, small and lightweight.

R5 @14 mm

https://chrisceder.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/de5b10210fd5935627dc688e2f6079ee.jpg

R5 @14 mm

https://chrisceder.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/b4a00d2c1639b304eee5fa57c2be24db.jpg

R5 @14 mm
https://chrisceder.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/958e0f0c7aea8a2d4e25c481c547f5f4.jpg

R5 @14 mm

https://chrisceder.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/8701c8306a6adcdd0caa6ed677db4507.jpg

R5 @14 mm

https://chrisceder.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/4a1c9f5d6ca2d926ff5d4e4993d42f2b.jpg

R5 @17 mm

https://chrisceder.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5d77b6aa124fe690556c5e15b3182d3f.jpg



Nov 07, 2021 at 06:40 PM
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p.11 #6 · p.11 #6 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


I got my copy 2 weeks ago and returned it after a week. I was just underwhelmed for the price of $1800 with tax. There is the first and obvious problem of the distortion and vignetting, but I thought the Lightroom profile cleaned that up just fine. My real problem with it was at 35mm. It was very soft, especially the closer it got to MFD. At its maximum magnification of 0.38x, it seemed super soft and had CA. This for me nullified the feature of being able to focus so close.


Nov 07, 2021 at 08:52 PM
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p.11 #7 · p.11 #7 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


I received my copy last week and have done some tests and shot some images. Unless I've missed it in this long thread, I haven't seen the difference in angle of view using the lens profiles from different software discussed. No surprise, Canon's DPP matches the in-camera Jpegs. There is a lot of light falloff in the Jpegs which can be reduces for the raws in DPP (I think there are Jpeg settings that will do more correction? Since I shoot Raw I don't set the Jpegs for corrections that might slow down capture times). Lightroom is slightly wider at 14mm and DxO is MUCH wider at 14mm. The extra width becomes progressively less as you zoom in until at 35mm it is only slightly wider. Note that my "controlled" tests were fairly close up (about 3 feet wide). I would expect results to be better at longer distances. It seems with these lenses that require software correction the opinion on what part of the image circle can be used differs. I've played with the settings in DxO the most. It's profile is capable of virtually eliminating light fall off (although I often prefer a bit of darkening at the edges). The extra width is impressive, but since it is wider than the viewfinder view I find it problematic. Did Canon drop the ball in their profile and not everyone else needs to follow? None of the profiles give very sharp corners but the center is impressive at every focal length. Incidentally, my tests were with EFC shutter.


Nov 08, 2021 at 08:12 AM
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p.11 #8 · p.11 #8 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


alundeb wrote:
There are reasons to pick the EF 16-35 F4 L IS, but low distortion at 16 mm is not one of them, as it is actually quite high.


As a long time user of the EF 16-35 F4L IS, one of Canon's best performers, that statement did not strike me as being correct. All wide extremely wide angle lenses have some distortion (typically barrel distortion) but it seems pretty well managed on this lens in my experience — certainly not "quite high."

But your comment made me wonder if perhaps there is a lot of distortion and that I just haven't really noticed it. (Though back when I first go mine I did some tests and wrote about them.)

I just took a quick look at some other tests of this lens, and I don't see how you can characterize its distortion at 16mm as being "quite high." It has mild barrel distortion, at the low end of what we'd expect for such a lens, that corrects very well if you need to. It is quite sharp for a lens with this focal length range, all the way into the corners.

Perhaps you are mistaken.

Dan

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Nov 08, 2021 at 09:44 AM
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p.11 #9 · p.11 #9 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


gdanmitchell wrote:
Perhaps you are mistaken.

Dan


Or perhaps not.

From opticallimits, formerly known as photozone:

"At 16mm it produces a strong degree of barrel distortion (3.4%)"



Nov 08, 2021 at 10:01 AM
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alundeb wrote:
Or perhaps not.

From opticallimits, formerly known as photozone:

"At 16mm it produces a strong degree of barrel distortion (3.4%)"


That is taking it without context.

The Sony 16-35 GM produces a 4.2% barrel distortion at 16mm.
The Canon EF 16-35 f/2.8 III produces a 3.6% barrel distortion at 16mm.
The Canon RF 15-35 f/2.8 is one of the few ultrawides that is better corrected for barrel distortion at 2.8% but it also has a 3 dimensional mustache pattern distortion.

I don’t know what the number is for the 14-35 but it is not going to approach anything like 3.4%.



Nov 08, 2021 at 11:15 AM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
That is taking it without context.

The Sony 16-35 GM produces a 4.2% barrel distortion at 16mm.
The Canon EF 16-35 f/2.8 III produces a 3.6% barrel distortion at 16mm.
The Canon RF 15-35 f/2.8 is one of the few ultrawides that is better corrected for barrel distortion at 2.8% but it also has a 3 dimensional mustache pattern distortion.

I don’t know what the number is for the 14-35 but it is not going to approach anything like 3.4%.


opticallimits says 3 % for the Sony not 4.2, but anyway:

I don't understand what the problem with my post is, should anyone pick the 16-35 F4 L IS over any other wide angle zoom because it has lower distortion at 16 mm? I don't think so.



Nov 08, 2021 at 11:34 AM
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alundeb wrote:
opticallimits says 3 % for the Sony not 4.2, but anyway:

I don't understand what the problem with my post is, should anyone pick the 16-35 F4 L IS over any other wide angle zoom because it has lower distortion at 16 mm? I don't think so.




alundeb wrote:
opticallimits says 3 % for the Sony not 4.2, but anyway:

I don't understand what the problem with my post is, should anyone pick the 16-35 F4 L IS over any other wide angle zoom because it has lower distortion at 16 mm? I don't think so.


The Sony 16-35 f/4 says 3%. The GM says 4.2%.

I don’t have a problem with your post, but optical limits is saying that 3.4% is heavy distortion in absolute terms. Relative to others in its class it is good and inline with the best.

The 14-35 has extremely heavy distortion that is far more complex than calling it barrel distortion. In this attribute the EF 16-35 f/4 is much better controlled.



Nov 08, 2021 at 11:54 AM
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alundeb wrote:
I don't understand what the problem with my post is, should anyone pick the 16-35 F4 L IS over any other wide angle zoom because it has lower distortion at 16 mm? I don't think so.


The distortion of the EF 16-35 F4 L at 16 mm is similar to the distortion of the RF 14-35 F4 L at 16 mm. From the evidence presented so far, the RF 14-35 F4 L appears to be a bit better overall than the EF 16-35 F4 L over their common range of focal lengths. In addition it has the range 14-16 mm, where distortion and vignetting are strong.

I can understand people who reject the RF 14-35 F4 L because they were hoping for a superior performance at 14 mm. I can also understand people who reject the RF 14-35 F4 L because they were hoping for an RF version of the 16-35 F4 L in terms of price. I do not understand people who reject the RF 14-35 F4 L because they were hoping for an RF version of the 16-35 F4 L in terms of performance.





Nov 08, 2021 at 12:07 PM
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alundeb wrote:
Or perhaps not.

From opticallimits, formerly known as photozone:

"At 16mm it produces a strong degree of barrel distortion (3.4%)"


Take a look at the IMAGE of the actual barrel distortion on this lens (at the link I shared in my earlier post) and compare it to what you get from similar lenses. I've seen a lot of barrel/pincushion charts for wide lenses, and that one looks quite good by comparison. If you are looking for a low-distortion wide-angle zoom, you are going to have a hard time finding one that exceeds the performance of the 16-35mm f/4L IS lens at 16mm.

If your statement had been "wide angle zoom lenses tend to have more distortion than well-designed primes at 16mm" I would have gone along. But your statement was that this lens performs poorly for such a zoom at 16mm. That's clearly not the case.

alundeb wrote:
I don't understand what the problem with my post is, should anyone pick the 16-35 F4 L IS over any other wide angle zoom because it has lower distortion at 16 mm? I don't think so.


You are arguing with phantoms here. No one said you should pick the 16-35 f/4 over any other wide angle zoom for its low distortion at 16mm. You just made that one up.

The response here has been to what you actually wrote, not to something made up.

You wrote: There are reasons to pick the EF 16-35 F4 L IS, but low distortion at 16 mm is not one of them, as it is actually quite high.

The distortion of this lens is not "quite high." It is on the low end for such lenses. It is generally not even an issue. In most uses you won't even notice it all. In those situations where you might notice it — photographs with linear components close to and parallel to the frame edges — the built-in profiles in your post-processing software resolve it. (If you are primarily, say, an architectural photographer, you might prefer primes or even tilt/shift lenses, but that's a rather different issue — and not all such photographers would agree alway.)

In any case, photographers considering the EF 16-35mm f/4L Is can be assured that it is among the very best lenses of this type. There are plenty of reviews and user testimonials (including my own) that will confirm this.

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Not responding to the above, and on a different topic: I'm not using an R camera at this point, but I'm following the reports on the system cameras and lenses since I may go that route at some point.

One post above brings up something I've pondered about the 14-35mm lens. Many point out accurately that it produces a lot of image distortion at 14mm. But others also suggest that its performance at 16mm is similar to that of the 16-35mm EF zooms. If so, I wonder if users would rather have Canon offer the extra 2mm (significant at these focal lengths) with the qualifier that they'll need a lot of post-processing correction... or offer a lens no wider than 16mm? I'm inclined to think that a lens that offers excellent performance in the 16-35mm range with usable but lower performance in the 14-15mm range is more useful that a lens that offers nothing wider than 16mm.

Dan



Nov 08, 2021 at 12:12 PM
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p.11 #15 · p.11 #15 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


I'm so tired of people distorting what I say and then say I am the one arguing against phantoms and take things out og context.


Nov 08, 2021 at 12:52 PM
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alundeb wrote:
I'm so tired of people distorting what I say and then say I am the one arguing against phantoms and take things out og context.


Heh. I laughed. At the irony. ;-)

You can clear this up quickly.

Is it your point of view that the EF 16-35mm f/4l IS lens produces "quite high" distortion compared to other similar high-quality zoom lens alternatives with roughly the same focal length range?

If not, specifically what comparison were you thinking of when you described this lens as producing "quite high" distortion?

Thanks in advance for clearing this up.

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Nov 08, 2021 at 12:59 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Take a look at the IMAGE of the actual barrel distortion on this lens (at the link I shared in my earlier post) and compare it to what you get from similar lenses. I've seen a lot of barrel/pincushion charts for wide lenses, and that one looks quite good by comparison. If you are looking for a low-distortion wide-angle zoom, you are going to have a hard time finding one that exceeds the performance of the 16-35mm f/4L IS lens at 16mm.

If your statement had been "wide angle zoom lenses tend to have more distortion than well-designed primes at
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Your final thought exactly describes my wishes. I was waiting for an RF version of the EF16-35 f/4L which I have enjoyed using since its release. It was the first lens I ever pre-ordered. I wanted the same or better performance in a smaller/lighter package for the same approximate price level. Instead, Canon crammed an extra 2 mm at the wide end that I will rarely need, and the compromise was that the lens would no longer be usable without digital correction and the price is over 50% higher. The lens went from a must-buy to a maybe I'll pick it up in a few years when it's selling for around $1k. It is a major disappointment for me.



Nov 08, 2021 at 01:01 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Heh. I laughed. At the irony. ;-)

You can clear this up quickly.

Is it your point of view that the EF 16-35mm f/4l IS lens produces "quite high" distortion compared to other similar high-quality zoom lens alternatives with roughly the same focal length range?

If not, specifically what comparison were you thinking of when you described this lens as producing "quite high" distortion?

Thanks in advance for clearing this up.

The distortion of the 16-35 F4 L IS isn't better than other similar lenses to an extent that you want to use it instead of the other lens because of that. The distortion of the 16-35 at 16mm is quite high, as is the case with most similar lenses.



Nov 08, 2021 at 01:12 PM
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alundeb wrote:
The distortion of the 16-35 F4 L IS isn't better than other similar lenses to an extent that you want to use it instead of the other lens because of that. The distortion of the 16-35 at 16mm is quite high, as is the case with most similar lenses.


Since you don't want to respond to the questions, is it an accurate to assume, based on what you did write, that your answers would be the following?

Is it your point of view that the EF 16-35mm f/4l IS lens produces "quite high" distortion compared to other similar high-quality zoom lens alternatives with roughly the same focal length range?

NO

If not, specifically what comparison were you thinking of when you described this lens as producing "quite high" distortion?

COMPARISONS TO UNIDENTIFIED LENSES THAT ARE UNLIKE THIS LENS IN FUNCTION.

Again, a straight answer could clear all of this up.

I'm betting we don't get one. ;-)

Here's another way to frame the comparisons: The Canon EF 16-35mm f/4L IS lens is as good or better than comparable lens with similar features. For zoom lenses of this type it has low distortion, excellent sharpness across the frame, and adds the IS missing from Canon f/2.8 alternatives.



Nov 08, 2021 at 02:29 PM
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You really make me want to never partipate here again.


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