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Pre-order: Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG DN OS Sports
The new Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG DN OS Sports lens is now available for Pre-order at B&H Photo:



Sony E-mount | Leica L-mount



Sigma 150-600mm F/5-6.3 DG DN OS Specs:
  1. Focal Length 150 to 600mm
  2. Maximum Aperture f/5 to 6.3
  3. Minimum Aperture f/22 to 29
  4. Lens Mount Sony E, Leica L
  5. Format Compatibility Full-Frame
  6. Angle of View 16.4 to 4.1
  7. Minimum Focus Distance 22.8" / 58 cm
  8. Maximum Magnification 0.34x
  9. Macro Reproduction Ratio 1:2.9
  10. Optical Design 25 Elements in 15 Groups
  11. Diaphragm Blades 9, Rounded
  12. Focus Type Autofocus
  13. Image Stabilization Yes
  14. Tripod Collar Removable
  15. Filter Size 95 mm (Front)
  16. Dimensions ( x L) 4.3 x 10.4" / 10.9 x 26.4 cm
  17. Weight 74.1 oz / 2.1 kg



















Aug 04, 2021 at 09:07 AM
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Link to B&H Photo's Explora article about the new Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG DN OS Sports:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/videos/photography/introducing-the-sporting-sigma-150-600mm-f5-63-dg-dn-os-for-mirrorless



Aug 04, 2021 at 09:19 AM
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You can read full review already: SonyAlphaBlog

New Tamron probably gonna receive some sort of price cut or cashback to be more competitive with new Sigma. Sony 200-600 still seems to be the best package.



Aug 04, 2021 at 10:01 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Pre-order: Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG DN OS Sports


Looks like a better all-around product than the Tamron, but I do feel like the Sony 200-600 is still the lens to beat, like mentioned in SonyAlphaBlog's review. Not bad at all to see more competition out there though!
I do have to say that I'm a little bit surprised just how far this extends when fully zoomed out. I honestly figured this would have been no longer than the Sony 200-600 when fully extended, but I was off by a long shot. I can see that being a fairly unpopular downside to the Sigma offering.
Dustin Abbott did some AF work too and he didn't seem the most impressed. Curious for a lens with a Sports designation.



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Aug 04, 2021 at 10:13 AM
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There's a DPReview TV hands-on mini-review:



They reviewed it on L mount, which makes sense given that the telephoto options on L mount are currently so few, but it makes its autofocus look bad since (I assume) an a9 or an a1 would push the autofocus faster than any L mount camera currently can (and would show us what a better L-mount camera might one day deliver with this lens)... we just don't know exactly how much faster.

The Sigma looks like it might focus closer (on the wide end) than the Sony can (at any focal length). On the other hand, on the Sony lens you can use teleconverters to get a bit closer, whereas, currently, no third-party E-mount lens can work with teleconverters as that's one thing Sony won't license/permit to third party manufacturers so far. (this isn't an issue on L mount I assume - there are teleconverters that will work with the Sigma on L mount, right?)

Only the 1.4x teleconverter is really worth using on the Sony 200-600, the 2x costs too much light, sharpness and AF speed, but the 1.4x TC is a real help a lot of the time. A lot of people keep it on the lens more or less permanently to make it an ~800mm lens. That's one thing you just can't have/do on the Sigma yet, until something changes in the E-mount teleconverter market. However if you're lucky enough to shoot with an a1 rather than, say, an a9 or a7iii/a7c then a teleconverter is less necessary/valuable since you have all the same benefit from a digital crop.

Oh, there's one other minor thing. The Sony 200-600 zoom isn't "really" a 600mm on the long end. If you compare it with other 600mm lenses (like the top-end Sony 600mm f/4 GM), you can see that it's actually a bit less, maybe 550 or 560mm or so. So there's another comparison point: How long is the Sigma 150-600, "really"? This is probably a common compromise made on superzooms, and we don't know where the Sigma settles out, or whether it really gives "600".

It's also worth keeping in mind that the Sony zooms internally - so the barrel doesn't extend and the weight/centre of gravity of the lens doesn't move as much when zooming. Maybe a consideration when using the lens on a tripod, where the shift in balance could be a hassle. On the other hand, it means you can only zoom the Sony in/out by twisting the ring, not by push/pull, which, as Chris demonstrated on the Sigma from about 2 minutes 20s, might help with some kind of easier/smoother "grab the target at wide angle, then push in close for the shot" motion. That may end up being a matter of personal ergonomics/preference but it's worth comparing the pros and cons. I suspect it would sometimes be nice to be able to do that - a quick zoom in or out with the Sony while trying to keep the lens on target feels clumsier by comparison, so you just keep the lens 'long' more of the time without zooming out/in.



Aug 04, 2021 at 10:14 AM
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GHarris wrote:
. On the other hand, it means you can only zoom the Sony in/out by twisting the ring, not by push/pull, which, as Chris demonstrated on the Sigma from about 2 minutes 20s, might help with some kind of easier/smoother "grab the target at wide angle, then push in close for the shot" motion. That may end up being a matter of personal ergonomics/preference but it's worth comparing the pros and cons. I suspect it would sometimes be nice to be able to do that - a quick zoom in or out with the Sony while trying to keep the
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I agree with the rest, this would take more comparisons and feedback from users. The Sonyalpha.blog review says "The 200-600mm is also the only one with an internal zoom which makes it particularly comfortable to zoom quickly as there is no physical extension of the lens (when you have physical lens extension zoom operation is slower and shake the full set body+lens)". I see your logic too, though I don't think the 200-600 feels all that clumsy and I do zoom in a lot on small birds after I've located them in the finder. The Sigma push-pull might feel better.




Aug 04, 2021 at 11:08 AM
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zz wrote:
Looks like a better all-around product than the Tamron, but I do feel like the Sony 200-600 is still the lens to beat, like mentioned in SonyAlphaBlog's review. Not bad at all to see more competition out there though!
I do have to say that I'm a little bit surprised just how far this extends when fully zoomed out. I honestly figured this would have been no longer than the Sony 200-600 when fully extended, but I was off by a long shot. I can see that being a fairly unpopular downside to the Sigma offering.
Dustin Abbott did some AF work
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I would disagree. Even though it might be longer than Sony when extended, it is quite bit shorter when packed and that's where the size (at least for me) really matters. When in the field, few more inches of extension is not a show stopper. On the other hand, since it is more compact than Sony it will be easier to fit in more bags than I was ever able to do with Sony.
Also from the SonyAlphaBlog review it looks like Sigma is sharper in the corners than Sony at tele focal lengths.

Lastly, what I really liked about Sony was the zoom ring as it went from 200 to 600 with small rotation and I'm glad to see that Sigma has put in the the "smooth" option which will make it easier to zoom in and out as well. That's something that I struggled with when I used Sigma 60-600. Due to stiff zoom ring it was impossible to use while hand holding.







Aug 04, 2021 at 11:13 AM
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The weight comparison of the Sony and Sigma lenses on SonyAlphaBlog is a bit misleading - he quotes the weight of the Sigma with the tripod colalr and hood attached (2284g) but he quotes the weight of the Sony lens without the hood or tripod collar (2115g). With the hood and tripod collar attached, the Sony lens weighs 2450g - about 6 ounces heavier than the Sigma.


Aug 04, 2021 at 12:45 PM
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if it is not internal focusing, no point in looking at unless, it beats the sony 200-600 by a big margin. Even then, a big pain balancing in a gimbal.


Aug 04, 2021 at 12:53 PM
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All I'd really care about is IQ in the center at 600mm and the Sony still is better according to that chart. My corners are 100% OOF bokeh.

Once there are used copies of this lens out there then it would be a consideration. At this point a used 200-600 for an extra ~$200 over a new Sigma makes more sense to me. No TCs on Sony for this lens. Long zoom throw. Only real advantages will be better MM (semi-macro stuff) and packing size. Weight is a wash.



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sathsy2017 wrote:
if it is not internal focusing, no point in looking at unless, it beats the sony 200-600 by a big margin. Even then, a big pain balancing in a gimbal.


It has internal focusing, as do most modern lenses.



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molson wrote:
It has internal focusing, as do most modern lenses.


It is not. Just watched one of the tech reviews.




Aug 04, 2021 at 01:04 PM
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I'm still hoping for a 500/600 f/5.6 / f/8, like the Nikon 500 PF, but perhaps for less than that damn $3.5k.


Aug 04, 2021 at 01:04 PM
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molson wrote:
It has internal focusing, as do most modern lenses.

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I think what the person meant is that zoom extends lens barrel on Sigma whereas Sony lens does not extend while zooming.



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dalite wrote:
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I think what the person meant is that zoom extends lens barrel on Sigma whereas Sony lens does not extend while zooming.


Yes. Thank you!




Aug 04, 2021 at 01:14 PM
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Frederik0711 wrote:
I'm still hoping for a 500/600 f/5.6 / f/8, like the Nikon 500 PF, but perhaps for less than that damn $3.5k.


If they make one 3,5 would be great. If only they make one ...



Aug 04, 2021 at 01:58 PM
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What ever happened to the 300mm 2.8? Those use to be popular. Sony had one in A mount.


Aug 04, 2021 at 02:38 PM
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really dont undersatnd why tamron/sigma are trying to compete here. the market for this seems super narrow given competition today. and it's hard to actually standout.

seems like there's way more opportunity in the tele prime space given the native primes are insanely expensive.



Aug 04, 2021 at 03:00 PM
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Waiting for the Z version. Or a200-600 Nikon Z. If Sigma put these out there for the RF & Z mounts, there would be a large demand.


Aug 04, 2021 at 03:18 PM
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kooshball wrote:
really dont undersatnd why tamron/sigma are trying to compete here. the market for this seems super narrow given competition today. and it's hard to actually standout.

seems like there's way more opportunity in the tele prime space given the native primes are insanely expensive.


Well, for L mount this new Sigma 150-600 zoom is something unique. They haven't had any native long telephoto options up to now. Once you've done the work and made it for L mount, you might as well sell it for E mount too (and vice versa) - that seems to be Sigma's approach in recent years.

And I guess there is a steady market for people who want a telephoto lens but want it cheaper than the first-party (Sony, or whoever) option. They might well outsell the Sony just because they're cheaper, regardless of merit.

And I think an increasing number of customers expect a native, designed-for-mirrorless option now. So the old adapted DSLR lenses might not cut it.

I agree it would be lovely to see Sigma make some really, really good telephoto primes.

But I think they mostly focus on lenses that sell in volume. I remember reading an interview a few years back with a man in a leading position at Sigma: They own their own factory, they don't subcontract out their lens manufacture, and it's a big cost and they have to keep the factory busy. So they go for what can be manufactured in large numbers with high demand to generate turnover.

Speculating onwards from that old, perhaps-misremembered interview... Big telephoto primes are absolutely beautiful halo products but they don't sell in high numbers on their own and maybe Sigma wants steadier, higher-quantity sales. A first-party manufacturer feels obliged to manufacture a top-tier telephoto prime, it makes their entire system look complete and professional, but it's not Sigma or Tamron's problem if a camera mount/system is seen as incomplete or flawed because of a lack of first-party lens options. If that has to be a headache for anyone - to have to put a lot of money and energy into a low-sales-volume item, just to make the E mount lineup look good - let it be Sony's, etc.

Telephoto zooms sell in much larger volumes than telephoto primes, I suspect. The former is more of a consumer / hobbyist approachable product at an approachable price-point. The latter is less flexible and you may only buy it if you're particularly wealthy or particularly sure you know why you need that one, large, fixed-focal length in particular.

Just speculating/waffling.



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