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Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review
  
 
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p.52 #1 · p.52 #1 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


nehemiahphoto wrote:
Took up my CV 28/2 before I sell it. Was fooling around trying to get an astro tracker to work properly. Vignetting aside, pretty great coma correction!

Why are you selling this gem?
May 03, 2023 at 11:14 AM
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p.52 #2 · p.52 #2 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


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Why are you selling this gem?

Lack of use because (a) it doesn’t space well with my other lenses (21mm, 24 GM and various 35mm’s). I am not much of a 50mm shooter except the Noct for portraits and event stuff. And (b) lack of use because my lifestyle is changing and I am shooting less and less, and not hiking much. And a bit bored with photography generally—slumping a bit.

I have nearly sold 10k in gear in the last month. The CV 28/2 is an easy lens to re-squire as well, new or used.

Wonderful lens though. Truly a masterful 28mm
May 03, 2023 at 11:54 AM
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p.52 #3 · p.52 #3 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


nehemiahphoto wrote:
...The CV 28/2 is an easy lens to re-squire as well, new or used...

Easy to rebuy, but M lenses that are well-centered and aligned correctly with the rangefinder are worth more to me than money. If you have a good one, you're not making much money by selling it in the scheme of all things Leica. I would keep it for when you inevitably find yourself wishing you had one again.
May 03, 2023 at 01:37 PM
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highdesertmesa wrote:
Easy to rebuy, but M lenses that are well-centered and aligned correctly with the rangefinder are worth more to me than money. If you have a good one, you're not making much money by selling it in the scheme of all things Leica. I would keep it for when you inevitably find yourself wishing you had one again.

Yeah, I am always tempted to keep lenses, but realistically I then have 10-15k in lenses that are collecting dust largely. I also sold my RF, so I don’t need perfectly calibrated lenses, just centered copies for my modded A7r2.

Everyone’s finances/needs are different, but for me at this time, I have a set budget for photography, and my 50 Noct and 35 Lux pre-asph take up about half of it. And those are very hard to find good copies of at good prices, and the images bring me more joy than all my other lenses. So all else must squeeze in the remaining portion.

And I really don’t buy/sell to make money, I just like to break even generally so I can keep trying new gear with minimal expense.
May 03, 2023 at 01:51 PM
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p.52 #5 · p.52 #5 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


highdesertmesa wrote:
Easy to rebuy, but M lenses that are well-centered and aligned correctly with the rangefinder are worth more to me than money. If you have a good one, you're not making much money by selling it in the scheme of all things Leica. I would keep it for when you inevitably find yourself wishing you had one again.

In my review, I used my previous Voigtlander 28/2 Ultron, which was unfortunately stolen from a hotel about a year ago. Initially, I didn't anticipate any issues, as it wasn't a particularly expensive lens, and I assumed I could easily replace it with another optimal copy. However, it took me four attempts to find a centered copy that was perfectly aligned with the RF. This experience taught me the importance of keeping optimal lenses, even if they are not used frequently, as lens quality can vary, and one never knows when they may need a particular lens.
May 03, 2023 at 03:28 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Yeah, I am always tempted to keep lenses, but realistically I then have 10-15k in lenses that are collecting dust largely. I also sold my RF, so I don’t need perfectly calibrated lenses, just centered copies for my modded A7r2.

Everyone’s finances/needs are different, but for me at this time, I have a set budget for photography, and my 50 Noct and 35 Lux pre-asph take up about half of it. And those are very hard to find good copies of at good prices, and the images bring me more joy than all my other lenses. So all else must...Show more →

Indeed, 10k is a significant sum of money, particularly if the gear is not being utilized frequently. I find myself in a similar situation with the Leica 28/1.4 Lux. Because I own lighter 28mm options, I do not use it as frequently as I would like, but I am aware that I will regret selling it if I do.



May 03, 2023 at 03:31 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
I also sold my RF

There goes your street cred... just out of curiosity, did you keep your MS-Optics lenses?
May 03, 2023 at 03:37 PM
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There goes your street cred... just out of curiosity, did you keep your MS-Optics lenses?

Lol—well, add that to my list unpopular opinions on FM 😂

I have kept my 73/1.5 Sonnetar which I love and won’t part with. I pair it with my 35 Lux Pre-Asph for my kit. I am interested in the new 36/1.3, but I don’t think I’ll like it better than the 35 Lux pre-asph, so have resisted so far.


May 03, 2023 at 04:07 PM
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In my review, I used my previous Voigtlander 28/2 Ultron, which was unfortunately stolen from a hotel about a year ago. Initially, I didn't anticipate any issues, as it wasn't a particularly expensive lens, and I assumed I could easily replace it with another optimal copy. However, it took me four attempts to find a centered copy that was perfectly aligned with the RF. This experience taught me the importance of keeping optimal lenses, even if they are not used frequently, as lens quality can vary, and one never knows when they may need a particular lens.

Were two of the copies you tried from Popflash? We probably both tried and returned the exact same two lenses


May 03, 2023 at 09:59 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
In my review, I used my previous Voigtlander 28/2 Ultron, which was unfortunately stolen from a hotel about a year ago. Initially, I didn't anticipate any issues, as it wasn't a particularly expensive lens, and I assumed I could easily replace it with another optimal copy. However, it took me four attempts to find a centered copy that was perfectly aligned with the RF. This experience taught me the importance of keeping optimal lenses, even if they are not used frequently, as lens quality can vary, and one never knows when they may need a particular lens.

Fred, you're making me nervous having just bought Nehemiah's VM28... but apparently it's a good copy.

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Indeed, 10k is a significant sum of money, particularly if the gear is not being utilized frequently. I find myself in a similar situation with the Leica 28/1.4 Lux. Because I own lighter 28mm options, I do not use it as frequently as I would like, but I am aware that I will regret selling it if I do.

I'm kind of in the same boat. I want the VM as a smaller 28mm option and if I like it, perhaps my only 28mm option. But yeah, there's always the anticipation that I'll regret selling my 28 Lux.
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p.52 #11 · p.52 #11 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


rscheffler wrote:
Fred, you're making me nervous having just bought Nehemiah's VM28... but apparently it's a good copy.

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I'm kind of in the same boat. I want the VM as a smaller 28mm option and if I like it, perhaps my only 28mm option. But yeah, there's always the anticipation that I'll regret selling my 28 Lux.

If it is any help, I have the VM 28 f/2 II and I had the 28 Lux. I don't miss the Lux and I am quite happy with the VM 28 f/2 II. The Lux was a very nice lens but large with quite a bit of viewfinder blockage, so I am much happier with the smaller VM and don't miss the wider aperture much at all. I did recently get the Leica 35 f/1.4 FLE, which I can use in those situations when I really need a wider aperture.
May 04, 2023 at 07:52 AM
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p.52 #12 · p.52 #12 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


I wonder if the 28 Lux will be the next one to be updated with close focus and retractable hood. It would give Leica the full 28/35/50 Lux line that all matched.
May 04, 2023 at 11:20 AM
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highdesertmesa wrote:
I wonder if the 28 Lux will be the next one to be updated with close focus and retractable hood. It would give Leica the full 28/35/50 Lux line that all matched.

The 28 Lux is a relatively new design, and it's uncertain whether Leica sells enough units to warrant an update. Nevertheless, there is always a possibility of one in the future.
May 04, 2023 at 11:28 AM
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The 28 Lux is a relatively new design, and it's uncertain whether Leica sells enough units to warrant an update. Nevertheless, there is always a possibility of one in the future.

Yeah, they may update the Summicron 35 and 50 next instead. I would be interested in a new 35 Cron with twist-out hood and 0.4m MFD. That was the exact lens specs they used as an example this-vs.-that in their recent survey. It was that vs. a compact 35 Elmarit 2.8.
May 04, 2023 at 08:14 PM
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p.52 #15 · p.52 #15 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Seeing there is a 50 Cron, and 50 APO, it seems that the 50 Cron will never receive an update. But it is so wonderful I don't see how it needs one.
May 05, 2023 at 10:39 AM
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p.52 #16 · p.52 #16 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Thumbs up for how the lens performs.
May 06, 2023 at 01:09 PM
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p.52 #17 · p.52 #17 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review




Ultron 28 II at f/2 on EOS R5. Gietrzwałd in Poland

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May 09, 2023 at 05:25 AM
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p.52 #18 · p.52 #18 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


highdesertmesa wrote:
Yeah, they may update the Summicron 35 and 50 next instead. I would be interested in a new 35 Cron with twist-out hood and 0.4m MFD. That was the exact lens specs they used as an example this-vs.-that in their recent survey. It was that vs. a compact 35 Elmarit 2.8.

In my opinion, they will likely prioritize updating the 35/2 cron lens. I believe it would be an instant success, but this particular lens would greatly benefit from an optical design update.
May 17, 2023 at 09:50 AM
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p.52 #19 · p.52 #19 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
In my opinion, they will likely prioritize updating the 35/2 cron lens. I believe it would be an instant success, but this particular lens would greatly benefit from an optical design update.

I think 35mm and 50mm for Leica M represent a special spot. Right now we have the new cron APOs that are $8,400 and $9,000 respectively that occupy the pricey extreme for general use 35mm and 50mm lenses with stellar performance. Then we have the newly tweaked 35 Lux FLE II and the 50 Lux Asph II that are $5,300 and $4,500 respectively. IMO, it would be nice to see a new 50 cron (non-APO) and 35 cron (non-APO) and both could use an optical design update. The current 50 cron (non-APO) takes the double gauss design about as far as it can go. It is a nice lens with nice performance, but I believe a different design could improve performance. I also think a new design for the 35 cron (non-APO) is really needed too, but with new designs I would expect these lenses to push up close to the price of the Luxes. Maybe Leica could do the 35 cron (non-APO) with a new design for $4,500 and a new 50 cron (non-APO) for around $4,000.

I'm not sure Leica is going to do that, however, as it leaves only a small difference in price between the cron (non-APO) lenses and the Luxes. They might well leave things as they are now for another five years or so then update the Luxes and price them higher and then bring out crons with new designs and price them like the current Luxes. Right now, I think Voigtlander isn't helping as I don't see their f/2ish lenses (other than the APOs which are a bit on the big side) putting much pressure on Leica to update their old crons.
May 17, 2023 at 10:29 AM
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p.52 #20 · p.52 #20 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


M11 with Ultron 28mm ASPH II.
ISO 64, 3 Sec, f/2.8
May 20, 2023 at 06:00 AM
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