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p.35 #1 · Cobalt Profiles


Hello. I have fuji s5pro and fuji x-t4. I want the color of fuji s5pro (its native camera! jpeg!, or the standard profile in the native utility(hyper utility)) in x-t4 - will I get that by buying cobalt profiles?


Feb 12, 2022 at 05:17 AM
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p.35 #2 · Cobalt Profiles


Ulysseita wrote:
The real negative films are more dependant by development settings and the paper than the film speed itself.
This is more a different feeling of grain and exposure setting on shot than anything else.

So on digital emulation is useless if not just as fake marketing, to sell different tone settings between a 400 and a 1600 Neopan when in fact you have the biggest difference on grain.
When you select the profile you are at starting point of digital development and the contrast will be the first slider/curve to adapt to your image.
That makes useless a 400 / 1600 option .. not
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Thank you. I wasn't looking at the Preset panel. All good now.



Feb 13, 2022 at 12:11 AM
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p.35 #3 · Cobalt Profiles


Hi,

We did emulate the s5pro and included it in the CCD fever pack.
You would need the basic pack for your camera (xt4) and the CCD fever in order to get what you'd like to.



R.Vic wrote:
Hello. I have fuji s5pro and fuji x-t4. I want the color of fuji s5pro (its native camera! jpeg!, or the standard profile in the native utility(hyper utility)) in x-t4 - will I get that by buying cobalt profiles?




Feb 13, 2022 at 04:54 AM
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p.35 #4 · Cobalt Profiles


Thanks, I saw it. But I need confirmation that it was the color of his jpeg that was emulated, the in-camera jpeg! If, for example, an adobe profile for s5pro was emulated, then I categorically do not need such a color, because the adobe profiles are bad.
The true color of s5pro is only its native jpeg, or from the native hyper utility...



Feb 13, 2022 at 05:18 AM
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p.35 #5 · Cobalt Profiles


Yes is the sooc jpg!


Feb 13, 2022 at 01:17 PM
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p.35 #6 · Cobalt Profiles


Does anyone know what is the latest discount code?

Edited on Feb 13, 2022 at 03:12 PM · View previous versions



Feb 13, 2022 at 02:58 PM
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p.35 #7 · Cobalt Profiles


Hi Ulysseita,

Is there any chance to get a DNG Basic Pack for the Canon G1X Mark III and G5X Mark II? The G1X III uses the same sensor as the 80D, M5, and other 24.2MP APS-C Canon cameras of the time, and the G5X II has the same sensor as the rest of their 20.1MP 1" P&Ss with Sony sensors.



Feb 13, 2022 at 03:06 PM
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p.35 #8 · Cobalt Profiles


Can anyone show examples of paired frames from two cameras - reference and emulation? With this approach, for example, the original Leica M9 jpeg, and a paired frame with a conditional canon and the "Leica M9 jpeg" preset.


Feb 15, 2022 at 02:56 AM
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p.35 #9 · Cobalt Profiles


BlueBomberTurbo wrote:
Hi Ulysseita,

Is there any chance to get a DNG Basic Pack for the Canon G1X Mark III and G5X Mark II? The G1X III uses the same sensor as the 80D, M5, and other 24.2MP APS-C Canon cameras of the time, and the G5X II has the same sensor as the rest of their 20.1MP 1" P&Ss with Sony sensors.


Hi, We are working for this releases and more are coming!




Feb 15, 2022 at 01:12 PM
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p.35 #10 · Cobalt Profiles


I see that there are problems with the accuracy of emulation - what a pity...
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1702704/13#15620302



Feb 15, 2022 at 02:05 PM
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p.35 #11 · Cobalt Profiles


R.Vic wrote:
I see that there are problems with the accuracy of emulation - what a pity...
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1702704/13#15620302


If you'd like to know more about it, you can read some more pages where we fixed it and released two updates to our customers.

But from your posts on this topic, your registration date and these sentences I think you're not really interested in that.





Feb 16, 2022 at 06:01 PM
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p.35 #12 · Cobalt Profiles


I'm interested in this, but I want to be sure what I'm buying and whether I need it. The following examples from you in the thread are also not accurate enough. If you fixed it, can you show examples?


Feb 17, 2022 at 02:11 AM
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p.35 #13 · Cobalt Profiles


Ulysseita wrote:
First update after the long processing:

Some camera support added and...
we updated the Canon Contemporary pack to the 2.2 version improving the R5 emulation and fixing some colors as promised some posts back

Now we have this level of reproduction:

dpp landscape
https://i.imgur.com/6BsrzgV.jpg

color fidelity landscape
https://i.imgur.com/H0H6AcY.jpg

cobalt R5 landscape
https://i.imgur.com/ZNPSEqM.jpg

Please log in and update!


This is what we did on R5 side.



Feb 17, 2022 at 05:32 AM
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p.35 #14 · Cobalt Profiles


Yes, better than "color fidelity", but "dpp landscape" with "cobalt R5" are two different pictures in color. And this is even with a small number of colors in the frame. And it's still not clear on the raw of which camera the "cobalt R5" profile is superimposed - I hope not on the same raw with R5? I really wanted to buy 3 sets of profiles from you...


Feb 17, 2022 at 06:18 AM
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p.35 #15 · Cobalt Profiles


Hi Ulysseita!

Recently I've seen a mention of Cobalt profiles in other photography-related forum and they picked my interest.

I'm a big fan of old CCD color palette of vintage Nikons, have D40 and D200 in my posession and still enjoy shooting them. But my RAW editor of choice is ACR and Adobe profiles for those cameras are kind of lacking comparing to ones from Nikon's native tools. I also own a Canon 5D Mark II and would be glad to have this Nikon CCD color palette combined with Canon L-grade optics.

From the info provided on web site, Cobalt D200 emulation profiles from "Nikon vintage" pack are following:

Landscape
Neutral
Portrait
Standard
Vivid

Is it a complete list? The reason I'm asking this because those aren't D200 native profiles, they are flawed "Picture Control" ones that skewed old-school Nikon CCD color palette in the wrong direction.

Any plans on replicating true Nikon CCD colors from non-picture control era? Those "Mode I/II/III" with different tone compensation and saturation levels?

I see that D2Hs has "D2x Mode 1", "D2x Mode 2" and "D2x Mode 3", but no mention of different "Tone compensation" and "Saturation" levels to compliment those profiles and provide exact match to old non-PC profiles system Nikon is famous for.



Feb 17, 2022 at 08:39 AM
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p.35 #16 · Cobalt Profiles


YariloUA wrote:
Hi Ulysseita!

Recently I've seen a mention of Cobalt profiles in other photography-related forum and they picked my interest.

I'm a big fan of old CCD color palette of vintage Nikons, have D40 and D200 in my posession and still enjoy shooting them. But my RAW editor of choice is ACR and Adobe profiles for those cameras are kind of lacking comparing to ones from Nikon's native tools. I also own a Canon 5D Mark II and would be glad to have this Nikon CCD color palette combined with Canon L-grade optics.

From the info provided on web site, Cobalt D200 emulation profiles
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Hi, thanks for your interest!
We are offering what is possible with our available data.
The profiles of the d200 are from the "picture control" era and the d2hs too.
We are offering a colour palette from this camera model according to the original Nx and the other option like "Tone" or "saturation" are out of what is reasonable to add on a colour profile before the raw editing.
Every brand has options made to "develop" the files in a custom way.

We are offering starting point colours for raw developers, so the editing, we assume, is always something inside the workflow with the extensive freedom of both Adobe or P1 software.




Feb 17, 2022 at 09:38 AM
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p.35 #17 · Cobalt Profiles


Ulysseita wrote:
Hi, thanks for your interest!
We are offering what is possible with our available data.
The profiles of the d200 are from the "picture control" era and the d2hs too.
We are offering a colour palette from this camera model according to the original Nx and the other option like "Tone" or "saturation" are out of what is reasonable to add on a colour profile before the raw editing.
Every brand has options made to "develop" the files in a custom way.

We are offering starting point colours for raw developers, so the editing, we assume, is always something inside the workflow with the
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Ulysseita, thanks for the clarification!



Feb 17, 2022 at 09:41 AM
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p.35 #18 · Cobalt Profiles


hello @Ulysseita I recently purchased cobalt profiles specifically gfx 50sII and eos r. matching both cameras is a bit challenging. I find myself tweaking the HSL, is this normal? and also whats the best practice when applying presets on top of the profiles? It seems presets that I have overwrites the profiles of cobalt.


Mar 01, 2022 at 10:59 AM
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p.35 #19 · Cobalt Profiles


enigmal wrote:
hello @Ulysseita@ I recently purchased cobalt profiles specifically gfx 50sII and eos r. matching both cameras is a bit challenging. I find myself tweaking the HSL, is this normal? and also whats the best practice when applying presets on top of the profiles? It seems presets that I have overwrites the profiles of cobalt.



Hi, the method is :

choose the colour profile and pick the best wb.
When you have your custom preset, just be sure the preset has included a specific colour profile or not.
If there is it, just apply it and choose again our profile over it.

Is easier to do than to explain!





Mar 03, 2022 at 11:33 AM
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p.35 #20 · Cobalt Profiles


enigmal wrote:
matching both cameras is a bit challenging. I find myself tweaking the HSL, is this normal?

These profiles are not about accuracy. I don't even know what they are about.) Ambitious statements, but in the end a very low-quality product. Soon I will find time and show examples. Authors should redo their work, or change advertising slogans on the site.




Mar 03, 2022 at 12:00 PM
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