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Archive 2021 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?

  
 
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I'm not sure who your online sources are either. According to Cartier-Bresson's biographer, Pierre Assouline, and according to Cartier-Bresson himself, he strongly preferred the 50mm lens and made most of his images with it. During the 1930s, when he made many of the images for which he is best known, the 50mm lens could not be unscrewed from his Leica.

Cartier-Bresson owned several 50mm lenses. On paid journalistic assignments, he would usually carry two of them, an f/3.5 which he preferred to use and an f/1.5 for when the light was dim. He would also would take with him a
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Good info. I just ordered the Assouline biography and also the “Interviews and Conversations 1951-1998”. 👊



Jul 16, 2021 at 08:59 PM
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p.4 #2 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


No doubt he strongly preferred 50mm. However, my impression is that some photos look 35mm, but of course I can't be sure. Examples that look 35mm to me include "Near the Hall of Records, Manhattan, 1947" (courthouse steps), "Alicante, Spain, 1933" (3 people), "Berlin Wall, 1963" (kids by the wall), "Hyères, France, 1932" (bicycle & steps).


Jul 16, 2021 at 09:21 PM
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mudlake wrote:
Good info. I just ordered the Assouline biography and also the “Interviews and Conversations 1951-1998”. 👊


I'm glad you liked the info and the sources. They are both very nice to read through and to use to think about photography.

Here are two more--This is another very nice, well-written and detailed overview of his life and career. Lots of photos, very small size:
https://www.amazon.com/Discoveries-Henri-Cartier-Bresson-Cl%C3%A9ment-Ch%C3%A9roux/dp/0810998262

And also a small but good read, his own writings and those of some other photographers about him:
https://www.amazon.com/Henri-Cartier-Bresson-Writings-Photography-Photographers/dp/0893818755




Jul 16, 2021 at 11:16 PM
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p.4 #4 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


NJPhotographer wrote:
No doubt he strongly preferred 50mm. However, my impression is that some photos look 35mm, but of course I can't be sure. Examples that look 35mm to me include "Near the Hall of Records, Manhattan, 1947" (courthouse steps), "Alicante, Spain, 1933" (3 people), "Berlin Wall, 1963" (kids by the wall), "Hyères, France, 1932" (bicycle & steps).


In 1932 and 1933, he only had access to a 50mm lens, according to his biographer. So those two are out as 35mm shots. I don't think I agree with you about the other two either. Even later when he did own a 35mm lens, it was the least used of his lenses. There is a kind of spaciousness in his shots that might fool you, but I think that is a result of his compositional gracefulness and balance. His famous image "On the Banks of the Marne" was taken with a 35mm lens and some of his crowd pictures of Gandhi's funeral and his body being carried were shot with a 135mm because he had to be at a distance--you can easily see the compression. And if you look at his landscapes, you can often see the compression of the 135mm. But most of his images were made at 50mm.



Jul 16, 2021 at 11:20 PM
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p.4 #5 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


chiron wrote:
I'm glad you liked the info and the sources. They are both very nice to read through and to use to think about photography.

Here are two more--This is another very nice, well-written and detailed overview of his life and career. Lots of photos, very small size:
https://www.amazon.com/Discoveries-Henri-Cartier-Bresson-Cl%C3%A9ment-Ch%C3%A9roux/dp/0810998262

And also a small but good read, his own writings and those of some other photographers about him:
https://www.amazon.com/Henri-Cartier-Bresson-Writings-Photography-Photographers/dp/0893818755



Ordered. You’re pretty good at spending my money. 😀




Jul 17, 2021 at 12:01 AM
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In 1932 and 1933, he only had access to a 50mm lens, according to his biographer. So those two are out as 35mm shots. I don't think I agree with you about the other two either. Even later when he did own a 35mm lens, it was the least used of his lenses. There is a kind of spaciousness in his shots that might fool you, but I think that is a result of his compositional gracefulness and balance. His famous image "On the Banks of the Marne" was taken with a 35mm lens and some of his crowd pictures
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The biographer may be right of course. However, this comparison is intriguing:
http://www.ventspleen.com/tag/hyeres-1932/
The author says he tried to replicate Henri's 1932 shot by standing at the top of the same stairs, using a 50mm lens, but that lens was too narrow. Henri's original shows more on all sides, the building angles seems steeper (receding more), and his bicycle rider seems smaller/farther -- all suggesting a 35mm lens. So it just seems possible that the young Henri acquired (pre-ordered? ) the then new Leica II with a 35mm f/3.5 lens ... "the latest thing". I'm not saying it's proof, but it's an interesting possibility. It's not important, just fun to guess.

I think you're right about "On the Banks of the Marne" being 35mm. I once tried to replicate the framing of "Near the Hall of Records, 1947" and was pretty convinced that was 35mm.



Jul 17, 2021 at 12:58 AM
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p.4 #7 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


50mm is everything you need and nothing you don’t. My favorite focal length. I’m currently on travel/vacation in Europe with the family and the 50GM on the A1 is my most used combo. The teenagers have a Nikon Z5 with a 50/1.8 as their kit - you have to start them right ;-)

On these type of travels I mostly document family life, I bring a camera to capture what we do and how we experience/react to it. There are no planning photography outings. That is where the 50mm shines IMO, documenting life and people.

Saying that the 50mm focal length is boring is like saying that life is boring. It provides a “normal” view of life, not an exaggerated wide view of a scene or an overly narrow view that you get with a tele-photo type of lens. Now, you might not prefer that normal view, but I wouldn’t call it boring.



Jul 17, 2021 at 02:06 AM
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This is an, to me, interesting thread. My first experience with SLR cameras was with a 50mm lens (my dad's Exacta). Then I borrowed a Canon EF (modern thing!) and finally got an SLR of my own - A Miranda Auto Sensorex EE. This was in around 1975 or so. The Miranda was interesting but the quality was lousy. The exposure meter broke down every now and then. All those cameras were equipped with a 50mm lens. I was a student and couldn't afford anything else. The Mirande... I gave up on having it repaired and I had to guess the exposure.


https://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/littledarling40g/691_Utrillo_Paris_30years.jpg

Sometimes I didn't manage that. To the left an overexposed Tri-X image, to the right
the same place re-visited but now with a digital camera.

I then used a 50mm like forever. it wasn't until around 2005 I began experimenting with all kind of lenses using a 6MP Pentax *ist DS camera. Most of my images were however taken with an (equivalent) 50mm lens.

https://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/littledarling40g/740_louvre_window.jpg

Above: Outside The Louvre Art Museum, Pentx aps-c, SMC-P FA 35/2.0.

Maybe boring, that is up to the beholder of course but I didn't find photography boring those days. (It's fun looking at those images. I wonder how I would process them today.)

Anyway, this thread made me look through the HCB book Images á la Sauvette. It didn't use to be boring and it wasn't boring today either.
On the banks of the Marne was taken 1938. 35 or 50mm I can't say for sure, could be either to my eyes. If I had to guess i would say 50mm at a distance.
The stair and biker in Heyres (1932) look like a 50mm. Somebody tried to replicate but found his/her 50mm not covering the whole scene in the HCB image. I think that is down to the fact that all 50mm lenses are not exactly 50mm.

Since 2012 (I think) I have been a 35mm sort of photographer. That's when I bought the RX1. At start I found the lens too wide but slowly adopted and i started to see the world in a 35mm perspective. When the original A7 came I bought it but didn't manage to find a "good enough" 35mm lens. The same thing was repeated when the A7R MkII came. I went back to the RX1.

Now I finally retired (or semi retired) the RX1 and use an A7C with the FE 40/2.5G lens. I'm adopting again. Funny thing is that this thread made me go look up the Zuiko OM 50/2.0 macro and an adapter. Technically a bit so-so with today's measures. Beautiful images? Yes. I will use it for some time and see what I think about 50mm today.

https://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/littledarling40g/225_inkog.jpg


If i recall correctly the above is Canon 5D and Zuiko 50/2 Macro, cropped. Yes, i used a 50mm for everything. I don't think I'll ever become a long lens shooter.



Jul 17, 2021 at 07:08 AM
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p.4 #9 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


Jonas B wrote:

This is an, to me, interesting thread. My first experience with SLR cameras was with a 50mm lens (my dad's Exacta). Then I borrowed a Canon EF (modern thing!) and finally got an SLR of my own - A Miranda Auto Sensorex EE. This was in around 1975 or so. The Miranda was interesting but the quality was lousy. The exposure meter broke down every now and then. All those cameras were equipped with a 50mm lens. I was a student and couldn't afford anything else. The Mirande... I gave up on having it repaired and I had to
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Very interesting post! I liked seeing the images from the past and also older and the newer version of the street scene.
I would love to see the Louvre photo done in black and white and with attention to squaring the framing and leveling the edges as much as possible. I think it and the portrait are very nice images.



Jul 17, 2021 at 07:16 AM
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Thank you chiron. Yeah... re-processing old images is something I gave thought about to do when retiring. I can see many of my older images were processed darker earlier compared to what i do today. Some should have stayed in color while other ones could perhaps have been better if converted, and so on.

There is a lot more that can be said about cameras and lenses and the "new normal".
I read somewhere that Garry Winograd had a chrome Leica...?! Vivian Maier used a 6x6 Rolleiflex for a long time?! Diana Arbus switched lenses?! Who can you trust?


https://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/littledarling40g/680_chartiers_bw2.jpg

50mm. A waiter at the Chartier's, Paris



Jul 17, 2021 at 09:46 AM
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I like the 50mm to reset myself after using 35+85 for too long


Jul 27, 2021 at 02:28 PM
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sye46 wrote:
I’m facing a dilemma here with the 50mm as well. I currently use a 35+85 combo for portrait sessions. I find it frustrating that I have to switch lenses for a environmental portrait and headshots in the same spot. I am really leaning towards just getting the 50 to alleviate that issue. 50 1.2 would have excellent bokeh for separation and less distortion than 35mm for headshots.

I used to have the 55 1.8 and found the focal length to be great as a single portrait lens but wished it was faster then 1.8 . I’m seriously considering abandoning my
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This was some of my motivation for getting the 50 1.2 as well. Group family shots, or individual, the 50 can handle both without a lens change, key as I'm typically outdoors. If I really want a different look I have my 135 GM with me.





Jul 27, 2021 at 03:49 PM
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