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p.3 #1 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


WestTexas Sky wrote:
the 50?

I am sure all the street photogs disagree. 😀



I shoot documentary street and I’m either using 85 or 135 for intimate images or 35 and 25 for more environmental. Both ranges give different impact on the images. I just don’t have a need for a “normal” looking image. But that’s just my personal preference.



Apr 19, 2021 at 06:44 PM
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p.3 #2 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


I’m facing a dilemma here with the 50mm as well. I currently use a 35+85 combo for portrait sessions. I find it frustrating that I have to switch lenses for a environmental portrait and headshots in the same spot. I am really leaning towards just getting the 50 to alleviate that issue. 50 1.2 would have excellent bokeh for separation and less distortion than 35mm for headshots.

I used to have the 55 1.8 and found the focal length to be great as a single portrait lens but wished it was faster then 1.8 . I’m seriously considering abandoning my 35+85 for the 50 1.2



Jul 15, 2021 at 03:28 PM
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p.3 #3 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


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I’m facing a dilemma here with the 50mm as well. I currently use a 35+85 combo for portrait sessions. I find it frustrating that I have to switch lenses for a environmental portrait and headshots in the same spot. I am really leaning towards just getting the 50 to alleviate that issue. 50 1.2 would have excellent bokeh for separation and less distortion than 35mm for headshots.

I used to have the 55 1.8 and found the focal length to be great as a single portrait lens but wished it was faster then 1.8 . I’m seriously considering abandoning my
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It may not fit your workflow, but having dual camera for this type of work is a huge relief (and likely still cheaper than the 50 1.2 ).



Jul 15, 2021 at 03:50 PM
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p.3 #4 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


I do a 55/1.8 with the Minolta 100/2. It's a fabulous pairing and is an excellent gap for me doing portraits.

sye46 wrote:
I’m facing a dilemma here with the 50mm as well. I currently use a 35+85 combo for portrait sessions. I find it frustrating that I have to switch lenses for a environmental portrait and headshots in the same spot. I am really leaning towards just getting the 50 to alleviate that issue. 50 1.2 would have excellent bokeh for separation and less distortion than 35mm for headshots.

I used to have the 55 1.8 and found the focal length to be great as a single portrait lens but wished it was faster then 1.8 . I’m seriously considering abandoning my
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Jul 15, 2021 at 06:40 PM
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sye46 wrote:
I’m facing a dilemma here with the 50mm as well. I currently use a 35+85 combo for portrait sessions. I find it frustrating that I have to switch lenses for a environmental portrait and headshots in the same spot. I am really leaning towards just getting the 50 to alleviate that issue. 50 1.2 would have excellent bokeh for separation and less distortion than 35mm for headshots.

I used to have the 55 1.8 and found the focal length to be great as a single portrait lens but wished it was faster then 1.8 . I’m seriously considering abandoning my
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A 55 is not normally considered a conventional portrait lens, I prefer 85 and longer. But that having been said, the Sony/Zeiss 55 1.8 is a superb lens, definitely great for informal environmental portraits and anything else. Probably the sharpest lens I have owned and excels in color rendition and contrast. Likely one lens I would not ever consider parting with.



Jul 15, 2021 at 07:24 PM
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p.3 #6 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


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I promise this is not a troll post. tl;dr: for those who get a lot of value from a 50-55mm prime, what situations does it excel at?
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So, my question is: for people who use and like a 50mm for things other than landscapes, what types of shooting does it excel at? What makes you pick it over other focal lengths?

I use the 50-65mm range for panoramas. I sometimes use other focal lengths, but I usually come the to the normal range because it just looks right for those kind of shots, despite my general dislike the 50mm FL. I also use my Sony 50mm f/1.8 as a light but relatively fast travel AF lens. For example, my airline to New Zealand had severe weight restrictions so I brought my lightweight nifty-fifty for nighttime penguin shots.




Jul 15, 2021 at 08:24 PM
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p.3 #7 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


I have the Zony 35 f/2.6, a CV 40 f/1.2, and the 55 f/1.8. I find a use for all of them depending on mood. They all have that Zeiss/Cosina color and micro contrast which I love. I just realized all of my primes under 85mm are either CV or Zeiss. The kit self selected that way by accident, not by plan. Colors, sharpness, micro contrast and size seems to be the theme. Hmmmmmm....

I take the 35 when size and autofocus is primary.

I take the 40 when there may be a need for character (wide open) or top IQ stopped down a couple of clicks. I find that 40mm a perfect walk about indoor/outdoor/environmental portraits focal length.

The 55 I use for full body shot portraits, products in studio. Outside I use it for portraits, landscapes, and cityscapes. Also, as pointed out above the normal focal lengths are really good for panoramas.

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Jul 15, 2021 at 09:46 PM
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p.3 #8 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


You might not use 50 for landscape a lot but a lot of the time landscapes needing 50mm tend to be really good.


Jul 15, 2021 at 09:48 PM
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p.3 #9 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


AmbientMike wrote:
You might not use 50 for landscape a lot but a lot of the time landscapes needing 50mm tend to be really good.


Yep, often.









Jul 15, 2021 at 09:56 PM
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p.3 #10 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


To the OP, I think this is a pointless pursuit. Don't waste your time looking for reasons to like something that you clearly don't but that some one else does. If you don't particularly like ANY focal length, for any reason, then that's fine. Also, fully expect to change your mind about the focal lengths that you like over time and as your tastes and subject matter change.

To your question, I think I prefer the 50 to most focal lengths and find it most comfortable to use in the most circumstances. However the circumstances really determine the particular 50mm lens that's ideal for the task, eg. one with AF or MF, or one with perfect aberration control (maybe for landscapes or architecture), or one with lots of aberrations. I also particularly like them for people photography mainly because they keep you close to the subject which I think gives a perspective that I prefer to one with even slightly longer lenses (eg. 80mm or longer). I have around a couple of dozen 50s at present but keep coming back to the Konica Hexanon 1.2/57 (on a Sony FF body) which I find has around the right blend of aberrations when used wide open for people and its manual focus feel is just perfect for nailing focus wide open.



Jul 16, 2021 at 05:39 AM
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p.3 #11 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


thousandths wrote:
I promise this is not a troll post. tl;dr: for those who get a lot of value from a 50-55mm prime, what situations does it excel at?

My 35mm GM order got delayed a second time, which caused me to ponder my two open pre-orders for the 35GM and 50GM f/1.2. In my kit, if I'm going to take primes with me, I will generally pick things at differing ends of the spectrum, such as pairing the 24GM or CV40 with an 85.

This review (linked at the bottom) that someone linked to in another thread had similar thinking and put into
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Henri Cartier-Bresson is often described as the greatest photographer of the 20th Century. Virtually every photograph he ever took in a 50 year career was taken with a 50mm lens. With a couple of exceptions, they were all printed uncropped. You could look at the great variety of his images.

He thought the 50mm lens gave a view that was most similar to natural human vision and that it included a workable number of elements for composing an image. He was interested in depicting what he himself saw and criticized manipulated or artificial photographs. For example, he never used a flash.


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Jul 16, 2021 at 06:15 AM
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p.3 #12 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


I like the 50mm perspective for portraits--particularly indoors and in smaller spaces. I also like that 50mm works well for close-ups as the slightly longer focal length than 35 gives you a bit more working distance. It is also a really nice perspective for street photography.





This was shot with the CV 50 f/1.2 on a Nikon Z7












This was shot with the Minolta 58 f/1.2 on a Canon 5D II







This was shot with the Leica 50 f/2 APO on a Sony A7r II







This was shot with the Leica 50 f/2 APO on a Sony A7r II







This was shot with the Leica 50 f/2 APO on a Sony A7r II




Jul 16, 2021 at 06:16 AM
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p.3 #13 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


Many find 50mm boring. I like the focal length for portraits and architecture because it shows things as I see them. For a full-format portrait you can simply use the crop mode on an R and there is enough resolution left. For a few years, the 50 Planar was my "always on". Now I often use a 40/2 when I want less weight.


Everything with 50mm and the last picture was taken in APS-C mode:



DSC07566 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr

DSC01088 (1 von 1) by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr


DSC07704 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr



DSC01183 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr


DSC02035 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr


DSC07471 (1 von 1) by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr

DSC00877 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr



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Jul 16, 2021 at 01:09 PM
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p.3 #14 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


Interestingly enough I don't use a 50 for photography much, but find myself loving the 50mm focal length of video work. Super weird I know, but it works!


Jul 16, 2021 at 01:25 PM
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chiron wrote:
Henri Cartier-Bresson is often described as the greatest photographer of the 20th Century. Virtually every photograph he ever took in a 50 year career was taken with a 50mm lens. With a couple of exceptions, they were all printed uncropped. You could look at the great variety of his images.

He thought the 50mm lens gave a view that was most similar to natural human vision and that it included a workable number of elements for composing an image. He was interested in depicting what he himself saw and criticized manipulated or artificial photographs. For example, he never used a flash.


A great many of Henri's photos, however, are environmental. He did not use the 50 as a portraiture lens often, and used it how many people use 35mm today.

I loathe 50 personally, but interestingly 58 with my Helios is different enough to capture my eye, both in terms of perspective and rendering. I find images posted here from the 55 far more interesting than say the 50GM, which comes across as amazingly sterile and boring.



Jul 16, 2021 at 01:41 PM
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A great many of Henri's photos, however, are environmental. He did not use the 50 as a portraiture lens often, and used it how many people use 35mm today.

I loathe 50 personally, but interestingly 58 with my Helios is different enough to capture my eye, both in terms of perspective and rendering. I find images posted here from the 55 far more interesting than say the 50GM, which comes across as amazingly sterile and boring.



He often included the environment in his portraits, but he always did them with a 50mm lens, which I think is really the point. His images have a very natural, non-wide angle, undistorted look to them, and they seem very real. He didn't like the 35mm length--he thought it included too much for an effective composition. I don't remember seeing any full face images by him, although one can certainly do those with a 50mm. They tend to look the way a person looks if you are standing there talking to them. Quite different and more intimate than the heroic telephoto Mt. Rushmore look.



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Jul 16, 2021 at 03:11 PM
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p.3 #17 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


Steve Spencer wrote:
I like the 50mm perspective for portraits--particularly indoors and in smaller spaces. I also like that 50mm works well for close-ups as the slightly longer focal length than 35 gives you a bit more working distance. It is also a really nice perspective for street photography.


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Many find 50mm boring. I like the focal length for portraits and architecture because it shows things as I see them. For a full-format portrait you can simply use the crop mode on an R and there is enough resolution left. For a few years, the 50 Planar was my "always on". Now I often use a 40/2 when I want less weight.

Everything with 50mm and the last picture was taken in APS-C mode:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50491203412_aa3fc16ea2_k.jpg DSC07566 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/4305/36207290466_eece2798a4_k.jpg DSC01088 (1 von 1) by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/28365238078_fd9459e18b_k.jpg DSC07704 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/44383738865_888c136d70_k.jpg DSC01183 by Stefan Mieth,
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Lovely portraits by Steve and by Schwarzlicht, which I think show beautifully both the intimacy with faces and the sense of presence at which the 50mm excels.




Jul 16, 2021 at 03:19 PM
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p.3 #18 · What's the point of a 50mm? Or rather, where does a 50mm shine?


Nothing is close to the versatility of the humble 50mm lens. I use them mostly for interior art and statues, landscapes - and particularly enjoyable are 'found portraits' at varying focal distances. A few of the last from the underrated 55/1.8.





.. Sony 55/1.8 ..







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.. Sony 55/1.8 ..







.. Sony 55/1.8 ..







.. Sony 55/1.8 ..




Jul 16, 2021 at 06:06 PM
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chiron wrote:
Henri Cartier-Bresson is often described as the greatest photographer of the 20th Century. Virtually every photograph he ever took in a 50 year career was taken with a 50mm lens. With a couple of exceptions, they were all printed uncropped. You could look at the great variety of his images.

He thought the 50mm lens gave a view that was most similar to natural human vision and that it included a workable number of elements for composing an image. He was interested in depicting what he himself saw and criticized manipulated or artificial photographs. For example, he never used a flash.


Henri Cartier-Bresson definitely favored the 50mm. He complained about 35mm having a "shouting" effect and being more difficult to compose with. However, I doubt that virtually very photo he ever made was made with a 50mm. Browsing his photos on the Magnum site, I got the impression that he used 35mm a lot. Apparently, his usual photojournalism kit was 35, 50 and 90, which makes perfect sense as each would be very distinctly useful.

Check out this unidentified person's account of working with Henri in 1975:
https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/04/top-ten-recommended-cameras-8.html?cid=6a00df351e888f8834011570204e68970b#comment-6a00df351e888f8834011570204e68970b
I don't know who that writer is, but he says Henri was then using 40mm for almost everything, and sometimes a 35mm in dark interiors. "He also had the 50mm Summicron in a little bag, but I never saw him using it."

Anyway, I'm a fan of 50mm as it often feels about right, especially for portraits. It has a slight telephoto effect, without feeling distant.



Jul 16, 2021 at 06:56 PM
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NJPhotographer wrote:
Henri Cartier-Bresson definitely favored the 50mm. He complained about 35mm having a "shouting" effect and being more difficult to compose with. However, I doubt that virtually very photo he ever made was made with a 50mm. Browsing his photos on the Magnum site, I got the impression that he used 35mm a lot. Apparently, his usual photojournalism kit was 35, 50 and 90, which makes perfect sense as each would be very distinctly useful.

Check out this unidentified person's account of working with Henri in 1975:
https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/04/top-ten-recommended-cameras-8.html?cid=6a00df351e888f8834011570204e68970b#comment-6a00df351e888f8834011570204e68970b
I don't know who that writer is, but he says Henri was then using 40mm for
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I'm not sure who your online sources are either. According to Cartier-Bresson's biographer, Pierre Assouline, and according to Cartier-Bresson himself, he strongly preferred the 50mm lens and made most of his images with it. During the 1930s, when he made many of the images for which he is best known, the 50mm lens could not be unscrewed from his Leica.

Cartier-Bresson owned several 50mm lenses. On paid journalistic assignments, he would usually carry two of them, an f/3.5 which he preferred to use and an f/1.5 for when the light was dim. He would also would take with him a 35mm and a 135mm lens, but they were much less used. He sometimes used the 135mm for landscapes, of which he made comparatively few, to eliminate clutter. He didn't like the 35mm lens or any wide-angles. So, most of his images were made with a 50mm lens.

Two quotes. His biographer writes about his discovery of the Leica and the 50mm lens: "The single 50mm lens with a 3.5mm aperture could not be unscrewed. In any case, Cartier-Bresson would not have wanted another, because this one was ideal for capturing his vision of humanity, whereas a longer or wider lens would have distorted it. With this camera and this lens, he felt that he had found perfect harmony. (Pierre Assouline, Henri Cartier-Bresson: A Biography (Thames and Hudson), p62).

And in a 1952 interview, the interviewer asked him: "And on a story, which lenses do you bring?" HCB replied: "The two 50mm, a 35mm, and a 135mm. Nearly always, I work with standard lenses. For landscape, I usually use the 135mm. I don't work much with a wide-angle lens. There are so many things in the same plane that it makes it difficult to compose. (Henri Cartier-Bresson, Interviews and Conversations (Aperture), p. 22).

HCB did work in a limited way with other cameras and lenses and indeed he also made some motion pictures. One of his most famous photographs, that of Cardinal Pacelli pressed in a crowd, was made with a 9X9 plate camera because his employer required it.

But he strongly preferred the Leica and the 50mm lens and most of his published work was made with this lens and camera. Because his images are virtually always reproduced uncropped, you can see this directly if you examine his work.



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