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p.9 #1 · Sony A1 Image Thread


Thank you. I'm planning to avoid TC most of the time with A1 as we have enough room to crop and want to try to stay below 3200 ISO (based on my experience with cropped sensor). Besides in FL there are birds in every focal length of the lens. I don't care about this far away ones

arbitrage wrote:
I need to test it a bit more. I think bare lens the 200-600 was working really well. That Hoody IF was a sequence of 20+ shots and it only missed one or two. I had some issues with the 1.4TC but I think most were heat haze related. I'll let you know more as I discover more over the next three days of shooting.




Mar 12, 2021 at 07:07 AM
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I've made it through 1000 shots of actually 3000....man there are some bufflehead in flight sequences with literally 100% tack sharp. Even a sequence where the thing landed straight at me and eventually overfilled the frame the A1 only missed a couple of the really close ones and yet still recovered after just 1 or 2 missed frames.

So far this thing is a hit but I was in very good light today...


And the treasures come rolling in!!
So glad you have the a1 in hand.



Mar 12, 2021 at 08:01 AM
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p.9 #3 · Sony A1 Image Thread


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Really? Many here just concentrate too much on BIF photography. The camera offers a lot more than this and it should be clear right now giving the many discussions here (which concentrate a bit too much on BIF ;-)).
Doesn't that count, too? Events, sports? What about the E-shutter performance, NO other manufacturer has so far? Flash sync in M-shutter or flicker detection + flash in E-shutter? Read out of 1/235s in E-shutter? Number AF calculation/s? FPS? Video modes and overheating performance....
A camera is more than just a single application. Nevertheless, the R5 is great value for the money and
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Holger, I like the pictures of you and your wife very much and I also appreciate your expert assessments, so please don't get me wrong...
But I think you tend to generalize your opinion too much and I often have the feeling that you are rashly judging the models of other manufacturers (especially Canon) without having used them yourself seriously and for a long time.

In my opinion, the A1 is perhaps the best camera for BIF photos (you can show really nice pictures here!), but certainly not for all areas of photography.
For example landscape photography:
Here is a dynamic range comparison:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R5,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-7R,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3
The 3 most important parameters regarding image quality for me are dynamic range (and noise) and resolution. In my opinion, this applies to most areas of photography. And in all of these areas, the A1 isn't the best camera out there, by no means.
Sorry but FPS under optimal conditions with certain lenses and memory cards, calculations / s, etc, does not compensate (for me).
Another not insignificant parameter is the stabilizer. According to reliable reports from Jordan, for example, who has many years of experience with both systems, Canon is way ahead here. I have also photographed a few weddings and find a (good) stabilizer very helpful, e.g. for effects or for pictures like bridal couple at fireworks, in the middle of sparklers, ...

And I am excited to observe how things look regarding the subject of sensor dust and the A1. Here you can see an example from Fred:

Fred Miranda wrote:
Here are some sunstar examples: ...

#6
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1682772/1#15468376

You can see the countless dust spots with which you have to deal with the newer Sony cameras as a landscape photographer with smaller apertures (at least with the A7 series).

I'm also excited about the subject of overheating: Good friends of mine earn their money with fine art long time exposures (usually from 1 minute to almost unlimited). They have tested A7R2, R3 and R4 and because of the strong thermal noise caused by overheating, these cameras are much worse in this discipline than an A7R1 or many DSLRs, for example.

Of course the A1 is a great camera and things like flash sync, fast read out, ... or the viewfinder would also appeal to me. And if I were a sports or BIF photographer, I'd already have the camera.
But for most of the other areas, sorry, I'm a little disappointed.

So I wish you a lot of fun with your A1, but I doubt whether you will really use the best camera for your special pictures with the sum of its properties.




Mar 12, 2021 at 08:09 AM
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p.9 #4 · Sony A1 Image Thread


HelBen85 wrote:
Holger, I like the pictures of you and your wife very much and I also appreciate your expert assessments, so please don't get me wrong...
But I think you tend to generalize your opinion too much and I often have the feeling that you are rashly judging the models of other manufacturers (especially Canon) without having used them yourself seriously and for a long time.

In my opinion, the A1 is perhaps the best camera for BIF photos (you can show really nice pictures here!), but certainly not for all areas of photography.
For example landscape photography:
Here is a dynamic range comparison:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R5,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-7R,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3
The 3
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Your opinion is appreciated, of course.
We should not forget, that your DR comparison shows the Canon using NR. Bill Claff, who produced this measurement discussed it at DPR and estimated the R5/R6 to artificially boost DR at base iso by about 2/3 of a stop. You can use NR using the A1, too, if you like.
The camera I think still provides the best price/performance ratio here is the A7r3, which you included in the PDR plot, too. Only shooting landscapes, I wouldn't use an A1 but stick with A7riv or A7r3.
It all depends on your use case. The A1 for me is the perfect allrounder and allows me to do things, sometimes not but often in a class leading way, with differences being oftentimes too small in real life to matter, unless your emphasis puts the largest weights on something like base iso DR, which of course is legitimate. When looking at the DPR shadow push comparison, I think one can see, too, that the Canon doesn't show the advantage and AA filter + NR are visible in producing clearly softer images in my opinion:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr134_0=sony_a1&attr134_1=sony_a7riii&attr134_2=sony_a7riv&attr134_3=canon_eosr5&attr136_0=1&attr136_1=1&attr136_2=1&attr136_3=1&attr176_0=efc&attr176_1=on&attr176_3=efc&normalization=compare&widget=806&x=-0.8856935003968012&y=0.25735315614124205.

In the discussion before my point was to show, that the A1 is worth the money, because it provides features no other can and mostly being associated to the sensor, the most expensive part of the camera. If those features are not that important to you, then this camera shouldn't be on your list and the R5/R6 may be a better body, esp. if best performing IBIS is mandatory. I always need a minimum SS even when shooting the sparkler exit etc. and IBIS is of no importance for me there, the IBIS Sony provides is more than enough, for longer exposure I prefer tripods.
I cannot quite understand why you are disappointed, but o.k., everybody is different. I am very excited about this camera. Providing a stacked sensor with such a fantastic DR and such features is quite a technological breakthrough. It just can't be class-leading in every respect.

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Mar 12, 2021 at 09:01 AM
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buffalowolff wrote:
IMO so far, slightly better than the A7RIV, but very similar, nothing scientific though. Shot some feeder birds with the 2x TC today which pushed the noise up a bit, in post it felt pretty much like I was working with the RIV for the most part. Topaz handled it well, and I'm happy with the results. If I'm bored at work (home) tomorrow maybe I'll shoot the goldfinches with both bodies to compare results.


Thanks, I'd like to know. I shoot with the A9 right now and I'm looking to upgrade to the newer style (gen IV) body. It's my do-everything camera and although more resolution would be a nice bonus, mid-to-high noise in low light is slightly more important.



Mar 12, 2021 at 09:02 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
I don't know. Sometimes the Eye AF showed up for the buffleheads, sometimes it was just my dancing dots of Zone AF like I get with A9II. The A1 allows focus point display in Playback (and in Sony software) and I turned it on in camera. The focus point was sometimes on the eye for flight shots but I don't trust focus point displays to be accurate. The proof is in the final images and the tack sharp on the head/eye was up there with the very best I've used (ie the A9/A9II). Is it better than the A9II? I
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Geoff - that was my observation also from very limited shooting. For BIF they were far away and eye af did not work, but the tracking feature was awesome. It seemed to me better than the A9ii which is no slouch. For birds that were closer, the BEAF kicked in fast, though my snow geese subjects are not much of a challenge. The 50mp and the other high performance features are what I appreciate.



Mar 12, 2021 at 09:36 AM
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p.9 #7 · Sony A1 Image Thread


Finally got out to play.
The first shot is the first photo I took this morning. First with no crop compressed by lightroom to 1200 px and then a 2000 px 100% crop. The rest are tighter, 1200 px 100% crops.
While taking photos of the Brown Pelican trying to get the long fish down its throat, an Osprey caught a fish very close to me. Missed the catch, but turned and focused fast enough (thanks A1) to get him as he was first starting to take it away.

All SOOC jpg, except for cropping. No shadow adjustment, sharpening or other changes.
I have lots more photos, including some with breaking water behind the birds, which would have been much harder to get with my A7Riv, IMO.

Kim



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Mar 12, 2021 at 12:00 PM
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snappu wrote:
Thanks, I'd like to know. I shoot with the A9 right now and I'm looking to upgrade to the newer style (gen IV) body. It's my do-everything camera and although more resolution would be a nice bonus, mid-to-high noise in low light is slightly more important.


Testing has shown that when scaled down to equivalent size everything but the a7S iii are almost the same. Some actually prefer the higher MP sensors when scaled down because of the smaller noise speckles and the increase in potential detail. I wouldn't let noise be the reason to not get an RIV or a1.



Mar 12, 2021 at 12:21 PM
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p.9 #9 · Sony A1 Image Thread


these are heavy crops. id argue 50% or more because i used APS-C mode in all these photos. i shot them about 1/3-2/3rds under to keep the shutter speed and see what would happen if i boosted in post versus in camera iso. still very good, but with jpg, definitely lost some noise performance in post versus in camera.

APS-C mode is definitely a game changer for me with this kind of speed.







Full frame APS-C mode. Straight out of cam







this was the crop of the above APS-C mode frame . about 15% of a a full frame 50mp shot





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again a tight crop from APS-C mode





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Mar 12, 2021 at 01:54 PM
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Also saw this "bird" this morning.



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Mar 12, 2021 at 02:13 PM
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Great basketball shots! That's impressive IQ at ISO 4000.

I also feel like #13 Lawson should be called for a foul...



Mar 12, 2021 at 02:59 PM
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Dave Sanders wrote:
Great basketball shots! That's impressive IQ at ISO 4000.

I also feel like #13 Lawson should be called for a foul...


I believe it was an and1



Mar 12, 2021 at 03:01 PM
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p.9 #13 · Sony A1 Image Thread


I took 2500 shots yesterday with the A1, most regular and hi-bursts with the electronic shutter using the Sony grip. My battery status showed I still had 61% in battery A and 100% in battery B.

That's quite remarkable. Is your experience similar?



Mar 12, 2021 at 03:44 PM
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p.9 #14 · Sony A1 Image Thread


kimknapp wrote:
Also saw this "bird" this morning.


That's a bird I can relate too. Lol



Mar 12, 2021 at 03:46 PM
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davesit wrote:
I took 2500 shots yesterday with the A1, most regular and hi-bursts with the electronic shutter using the Sony grip. My battery status showed I still had 61% in battery A and 100% in battery B.

That's quite remarkable. Is your experience similar?


i shot for 13hours yesterday, and probably shot over 7000 frames, and only used 3 batteries total between both cams.



Mar 12, 2021 at 03:49 PM
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Well I shoot about 3 k a day over a 7 hour day and I rarely get past 1 battery with like the A7III. So is what your getting I would say normal life even though your bursting and running maybe higher res

I'd say that's really good and nice to hear



Mar 12, 2021 at 03:57 PM
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davesit wrote:
I took 2500 shots yesterday with the A1, most regular and hi-bursts with the electronic shutter using the Sony grip. My battery status showed I still had 61% in battery A and 100% in battery B.

That's quite remarkable. Is your experience similar?


I'm actually seeing very poor battery life. Today I'd shot about 2000 frames in 3.5hrs and was already at 80% of the 2nd battery. Both were 100% when I went out.

Yesterday I also went into the 2nd battery in 4hrs.

I'm not sure what might be draining mine so fast. I have Airplane mode On. But I do have the Power save feature at 30mins so it never really goes to sleep. Maybe that is the big difference.

What is your Power Save Start Time set at?



Mar 12, 2021 at 04:16 PM
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Mar 12, 2021 at 04:26 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
I'm actually seeing very poor battery life. Today I'd shot about 2000 frames in 3.5hrs and was already at 80% of the 2nd battery. Both were 100% when I went out.

Yesterday I also went into the 2nd battery in 4hrs.

I'm not sure what might be draining mine so fast. I have Airplane mode On. But I do have the Power save feature at 30mins so it never really goes to sleep. Maybe that is the big difference.

What is your Power Save Start Time set at?


10min



Mar 12, 2021 at 04:55 PM
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p.9 #20 · Sony A1 Image Thread


If the camera wake up so quick why don't leave it to 10s or something? Or it's still slow for BIF kind of situation?

turbodude wrote:
10min



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